How the electoral college ruins everything

[Preacher]

Wow...I wonder what the outcome of every election WOULD have been if the EC wasn't a factor.

 

[SwimExpert]

In the vast majority of cases the EC vote has always fallen with the same outcome as the majority/plurality vote. Your objection is dismissed.

 

[candycorn]

332-206

Saved the nation

 

[bendog]

Gore would have been potus instead of W. Whether that would have been better, I don't know. If not for 9-11, W would have been a one termer. I wouldn't even dare to guess what Gore would have done with 9-11. Hell, he might even have been impeached.

 

[candycorn]

Gore would have been potus instead of W. Whether that would have been better, I don't know. If not for 9-11, W would have been a one termer. I wouldn't even dare to guess what Gore would have done with 9-11. Hell, he might even have been impeached.

We would have more Americans alive today than grieving fathers and mothers. I'm guessing we'd have been better off if GWB had stuck to ruining a baseball team than the nation.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Wow...I wonder what the outcome of every election WOULD have been if the EC wasn't a factor.

This sort of contempt for our Republican form of government by many on the right is disturbing.

 

[SwimExpert]

Wow...I wonder what the outcome of every election WOULD have been if the EC wasn't a factor.

This sort of contempt for our Republican form of government by many on the right is disturbing.

Odium isn't on the right. He is on the meth.

 

[peach174]

The Electoral College is why we have a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.
The left has never liked that the less inhabited States have a voice as well as the majority.

 

[bendog]

The Electoral College is why we have a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.
The left has never liked that the less inhabited States have a voice as well as the majority.

The EC has nothing to do with being a const republic. I was a tool put in place by the founding elite to keep us from electing a King or Tyrant. The SENATE is what protects the smaller states.

 

[Preacher]

The Electoral College is why we have a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.
The left has never liked that the less inhabited States have a voice as well as the majority.

I am not the left but I also don't see how not having every vote actually count is even close to being legit

The Electoral College is why we have a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.
The left has never liked that the less inhabited States have a voice as well as the majority.

The EC has nothing to do with being a const republic. I was a tool put in place by the founding elite to keep us from electing a King or Tyrant. The SENATE is what protects the smaller states.

How does it do that? The EC I mean.

 

[candycorn]

The Electoral College is why we have a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.
The left has never liked that the less inhabited States have a voice as well as the majority.

I am not the left but I also don't see how not having every vote actually count is even close to being legit

The Electoral College is why we have a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.
The left has never liked that the less inhabited States have a voice as well as the majority.

The EC has nothing to do with being a const republic. I was a tool put in place by the founding elite to keep us from electing a King or Tyrant. The SENATE is what protects the smaller states.

How does it do that? The EC I mean.

By giving the smaller states the same number of reps as large states.

 

[peach174]

The Electoral College is why we have a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.
The left has never liked that the less inhabited States have a voice as well as the majority.

The EC has nothing to do with being a const republic. I was a tool put in place by the founding elite to keep us from electing a King or Tyrant. The SENATE is what protects the smaller states.

It has everything to do with us being a Republic.
The SENATE is suppose to represent their individual states not protect them and it has nothing to do with our general elections.
That went out the window when we got the Sixteenth Amendment.

 

[bendog]

The Electoral College is why we have a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.
The left has never liked that the less inhabited States have a voice as well as the majority.

I am not the left but I also don't see how not having every vote actually count is even close to being legit

The Electoral College is why we have a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.
The left has never liked that the less inhabited States have a voice as well as the majority.

The EC has nothing to do with being a const republic. I was a tool put in place by the founding elite to keep us from electing a King or Tyrant. The SENATE is what protects the smaller states.

How does it do that? The EC I mean.

Look at the white populations of the large slave holding colonies compared to the less slave colonies. The agrarian south and even mid-atlantic were dwarfed by the NY/Penn and the NE. The smaller states were given an equal political voice in the Senate, which would prevent the more populous colonies from "ganging up" on them.

Population of the Thirteen Original Colonies (13 Colonies)

And the great compromise

Connecticut Compromise - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

set this power structure, and Southern States were even more accommodated by counting 3/5's (see embedded link) of their slaves as populations even though no one, north or south, contemplated letting them vote. LOL

 

[mvymvy]

The Electoral College is why we have a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.
The left has never liked that the less inhabited States have a voice as well as the majority.

A Constitutional Republic does not require having the Electoral College.

A constitutional republic does not mean we should not and cannot guarantee the election of the presidential candidate with the most popular votes. The candidate with the most votes wins in every other election in the country.

Guaranteeing the election of the presidential candidate with the most popular votes would not make us a pure democracy.

Pure democracy is a form of government in which people vote on all policy initiatives directly.

Popular election of the chief executive does not determine whether a government is a republic or democracy.

Of course the less inhabited States would have a voice when the candidate with the most votes would win.

 

[mvymvy]

The Electoral College is why we have a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.
The left has never liked that the less inhabited States have a voice as well as the majority.

I am not the left but I also don't see how not having every vote actually count is even close to being legit

The Electoral College is why we have a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.
The left has never liked that the less inhabited States have a voice as well as the majority.

The EC has nothing to do with being a const republic. I was a tool put in place by the founding elite to keep us from electing a King or Tyrant. The SENATE is what protects the smaller states.

How does it do that? The EC I mean.

By giving the smaller states the same number of reps as large states.

The smaller states do not have the same number of electors as large states. California has 55. Wyoming 3.

 

[mvymvy]

The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in the country.

Every vote, everywhere, would be politically relevant and equal in every presidential election. No more distorting and divisive red and blue state maps of pre-determined outcomes. There would no longer be a handful of 'battleground' states where voters and policies are more important than those of the voters in 80%+ of the states that have just been 'spectators' and ignored after the conventions.

In 2012, 24 of the nation's 27 smallest states received no attention at all from presidential campaigns after the conventions after Mitt Romney became the presumptive Republican nominee on April 11. They were ignored despite their supposed numerical advantage in the Electoral College. In fact, the 8.6 million eligible voters in Ohio received more campaign ads and campaign visits from the major party campaigns than the 42 million eligible voters in those 27 smallest states combined.

The National Popular Vote bill would take effect when enacted by states with a majority of the electoral votes—270 of 538.
All of the presidential electors from the enacting states will be supporters of the presidential candidate receiving the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC)—thereby guaranteeing that candidate with an Electoral College majority.

The bill has passed 33 state legislative chambers in 22 rural, small, medium, large, red, blue, and purple states with 250 electoral votes. The bill has been enacted by 11 jurisdictions with 165 electoral votes – 61% of the 270 necessary to go into effect.

National Popular Vote -- Electoral college reform by direct election of the President

 

[Rustic]

This is what we would've gotten if algore got in there...

 

[martybegan]

Gore would have been potus instead of W. Whether that would have been better, I don't know. If not for 9-11, W would have been a one termer. I wouldn't even dare to guess what Gore would have done with 9-11. Hell, he might even have been impeached.

We would have more Americans alive today than grieving fathers and mothers. I'm guessing we'd have been better off if GWB had stuck to ruining a baseball team than the nation.

How can you be sure? One scenario would have been Gore pussyfooting after the attack, inviting MORE attacks just like it.

See? I can make wild statements the same as you can.

 

[bendog]

The Electoral College is why we have a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.
The left has never liked that the less inhabited States have a voice as well as the majority.

I am not the left but I also don't see how not having every vote actually count is even close to being legit

The Electoral College is why we have a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.
The left has never liked that the less inhabited States have a voice as well as the majority.

The EC has nothing to do with being a const republic. I was a tool put in place by the founding elite to keep us from electing a King or Tyrant. The SENATE is what protects the smaller states.

How does it do that? The EC I mean.

By giving the smaller states the same number of reps as large states.

The smaller states do not have the same number of electors as large states. California has 55. Wyoming 3.

yeah, but there's also the notion of presidential delegates. This doesn't go to the democratic/republic concept so much, but it does have something to do with the representation by small states. For example, Wyo has about 25-26 gop potus delegates, but they are chosen in caucus by less than ten thousand people. Conversely, CA has around 172, but they are selected in a primary election. So, bang for buck/delegate, candidates have to pay some attention to little states, which imo is not a bad thing.

 

[norwegen]

Wow...I wonder what the outcome of every election WOULD have been if the EC wasn't a factor.

If the president had always been chosen by popular vote?

The United States would have become a liberal cesspool faster than it did.