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Where does refer to fetus?10th Amendment, if you State wants to be known as baby killers there is your disgusting avenue.
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Where does refer to fetus?10th Amendment, if you State wants to be known as baby killers there is your disgusting avenue.
I see no mention of it in the Constitution. In fact, birth seems to be the basis of citizenship and therefore rights. Abortion isn’t mentioned nor are any rights prior to birth.A human fetus is protected under the same rights as any other human being since a fetus is just a stage of human development like infant, toddler, child, teenager, adult and senior.
But then I know you are smart enough and don't need to be told that!
There is no getting to old age with going through all those other stages of development first.
Where are they being prevented from saying it? These rights by the way do not apply to some one else’s private property. There was a small religious group with flyers and signs in the public square of our university a few a few ago, talking about homosexuality being a sin. No one stopped them.Christians saying homosexuality is a sin. It clearly is to them. Tell me they are not shut down and fired or cancelled because of their need to spread a message.
90% of what the government does isn't found in the constitution.I see no mention of it in the Constitution.
That is a good point. BIRTH IS the condition by which many rights are delineated, but then, in the 18th century, I don't imagine there were many abortions or abortion centers; once you became pregnant, birth was pretty much a given unless something went wrong. Still, being that a fetus having grown out of the zygote stage to begin to form human characteristics, heartbeat, brainwaves and all, does it really need spelled out in black and white that this is a prenatal human being with certain rights?In fact, birth seems to be the basis of citizenship and therefore rights.
The turd believes the freedom to practice your religion is a "privilege."
In the media. Remember the message?Where are they being prevented from saying it? These rights by the way do not apply to some one else’s private property. There was a small religious group with flyers and signs in the public square of our university a few a few ago, talking about homosexuality being a sin. No one stopped them.
You mean the same folks you want to bring over here unchecked and when we object you call us Islamaphobes?They know how to use their supposed religion (wink wink) as a political weapon.
Hell, it's been happening in the Middle East forever.
From the link, from the book, yep, the author is right, every time I walk outside, there are police cars at my neighbors arresting parents for killing their children in the name of god.
This is well funded, christian conservative right wing, assaults. It must be stopped.
90% of what the government does isn't found in the constitution.
That is a good point. BIRTH IS the condition by which many rights are delineated, but then, in the 18th century, I don't imagine there were many abortions or abortion centers; once you became pregnant, birth was pretty much a given unless something went wrong. Still, being that a fetus having grown out of the zygote stage to begin to form human characteristics, heartbeat, brainwaves and all, does it really need spelled out in black and white that this is a prenatal human being with certain rights?
Good points, but those rights cannot come at the expense of or overrule those rights a person has to their own bodily autonomy.Maybe not the same or all the rights of a thinking, talking person, but more than a block of cheese. Since the fetus cannot speak for him or herself, then it is continent upon humanity to decide and how we will be judged by how we treat our own kind.
As such then, it follows that with getting pregnant comes responsibility, one should not get pregnant casually as the joining of two people to create new life is special, and if one cannot carry the child to full term responsibly for good reason, at the very least, the decision to abort should be made before the fetal stage in all cases possible--- what, 15-16 weeks? I don't see what the problem is with that; if a woman wants indiscriminate sex with no responsibilities or restrictions, she ought to consider birth control up to including getting a hysterectomy or similar permanent sterilization.
I think what I said was that they are aware of GENDER Are you so fucking stupid that you do no understad the difference between sexuality and gender identity? I brought up same sex marriage as an example of how some religious have weaponized religion and use it as a means to controll others. That is what this thread is about. Deal with it.
How is the media suppressing them?In the media. Remember the message?
In the 18th century abortion wasn’t broadly illegal and women had multiple ways of ending a pregnancy. Life wasn’t considered a life until “quickening” or first breath, certainly not at conception. There was absolutely no concept of individual rights prior to birth in any of their writings.
If you read into an automatic assumption of rights pre birth then why don’t you likewise read into it an automatic assumption of a woman’s rights to make choices about her own body?
Good points, but those rights cannot come at the expense of or overrule those rights a person has to their own bodily autonomy.
You are witnessing laws that are infringing on freedom. By force.Religious freedom has long been a shield. It is this right that all Americans possess, and the words etched into the edifice of the Supreme Court tell us, "Equal justice under law." This right applies equally to all of us. It was supported by a strong separation of church and state, but not anymore.
There is a well-funded powerful network of Christian nationalist organizations and judges that are working to weaponize the First Amendment, to turn the protection of religious freedom enjoyed by all of us into a weapon of Christian privilege for the few. The crusaders' religious freedom challenges are superficially about things like Christian crosses and veterans or playgrounds or private school vouchers or bakeries and gay weddings, but really they're about religious privilege, often literally about privileging religion over non-religion, Christianity over other religions and the right kind of conservative Christians over other Christians. At its most basic level, they are trying to turn religious freedom into a weapon to reclaim and entrench their lost status as the dominant caste in American society.
As Seidel notes, 150 years ago the Supreme Court warned that weaponized religious freedom would "permit every citizen to become a law unto himself," so there's much more at stake here than "just" the First Amendment.
How 'religious freedom' became a right-wing assault on the rule of law
The Supreme Court's decision overturning Roe v. Wade sent shockwaves through the American electorate. But as shocking as the destruction of a fundamental right may be, more radical changes may lie ahead, as Andrew Seidel warns in his new book, "American Crusade: How the Supreme Court Is...www.rawstory.com
"permit every citizen to become a law unto himself"
I guess those "originalists" just conveniently ignored that part of the original intent.
The media constantly demonizes them. That is a form of suppression.How is the media suppressing them?
Religious freedom has long been a shield. It is this right that all Americans possess, and the words etched into the edifice of the Supreme Court tell us, "Equal justice under law." This right applies equally to all of us. It was supported by a strong separation of church and state, but not anymore.
There is a well-funded powerful network of Christian nationalist organizations and judges that are working to weaponize the First Amendment, to turn the protection of religious freedom enjoyed by all of us into a weapon of Christian privilege for the few. The crusaders' religious freedom challenges are superficially about things like Christian crosses and veterans or playgrounds or private school vouchers or bakeries and gay weddings, but really they're about religious privilege, often literally about privileging religion over non-religion, Christianity over other religions and the right kind of conservative Christians over other Christians. At its most basic level, they are trying to turn religious freedom into a weapon to reclaim and entrench their lost status as the dominant caste in American society.
As Seidel notes, 150 years ago the Supreme Court warned that weaponized religious freedom would "permit every citizen to become a law unto himself," so there's much more at stake here than "just" the First Amendment.
How 'religious freedom' became a right-wing assault on the rule of law
The Supreme Court's decision overturning Roe v. Wade sent shockwaves through the American electorate. But as shocking as the destruction of a fundamental right may be, more radical changes may lie ahead, as Andrew Seidel warns in his new book, "American Crusade: How the Supreme Court Is...www.rawstory.com
"permit every citizen to become a law unto himself"
I guess those "originalists" just conveniently ignored that part of the original intent.
The media constantly demonizes leftists, feminists, Democrats, Muslims transgenders etc etc. So what? That is suppression!The media constantly demonizes them. That is a form of suppression.
Tolerance, diversity, religious freedom, free speech, and equality have two entirely different meanings for the leftists.
They get them, but differing opinions need to be silenced and shut down. Not going to happen, so deal with it.
The fucking OP posts a link that lies about the R v W decision, then extrapolates.
There is no where in the Constitution that makes abortion a Federal authority, therefore it is a STATE responsibility, period.
Tolerance, diversity, religious freedom, free speech, and equality have two entirely different meanings for the leftists.
They get them, but differing opinions need to be silenced and shut down. Not going to happen, so deal with it. ,,,
The media constantly demonizes leftists, feminists, Democrats, Muslims transgenders etc etc. So what? That is suppression!