How much of the universe will god suffer losing to Satan?

[GreatestIam]

You're pretty messed up, but you'll never see it.

Satan has a good grip on your "mind"

You are creating your own future

Yes, without Christians and their genocidal hero god.

You and your ilk are the messed up ones who pray to St. Hitler.

Stop hating your gay children.

Regards
DL

 

[frigidweirdo]

Not to most, but scriptures show her moving Yahweh to do evil and sin.

Yahweh seems to think that that power can over ride his.

Regards
DL

What?

 

[GreatestIam]

What?

Read Job 2;3

Regards
DL

 

[frigidweirdo]

Read Job 2;3

Regards
DL

No.

 

[JohnDB]

I get it...
If God exists and has revealed himself through the Scriptures....
And where the scriptures are over 3500 years old and difficult to understand...

If the scriptures are true...then God must be real...and if God is real then the majority of people are in real trouble.

Which means that in order to keep the fantasyland life and their perceptions they are living within they will do anything to keep their fantasy alive...no matter how illogical or incongruent with life their fantasy is.

 

[GreatestIam]

I get it...
If God exists and has revealed himself through the Scriptures....
And where the scriptures are over 3500 years old and difficult to understand...

If the scriptures are true...then God must be real...and if God is real then the majority of people are in real trouble.

Which means that in order to keep the fantasyland life and their perceptions they are living within they will do anything to keep their fantasy alive...no matter how illogical or incongruent with life their fantasy is.

Agree.

They keep their eye on the salvation prize and they do nor care how immoral using Jesus as their scapegoat is.

They have to sin to be saved and sin happily when abdicating their own responsibilities for their actions.

That shows poor overall character and morals.

Regards
DL

 

[Ivan88]

How much of the universe will god suffer losing to Satan?

Religions posit that in the beginning, there was only a good god. Yin without Yang.

Religions also posit that god created a hell for his loses, in terms of souls.

God calls many but few hear his call, as many wise men have noted. Not that the wise believe in the supernatural. We do not.

Imagine if you will, that the Yahweh Jesus twins had to report for a report card from a better god. Yahweh the horrible, would have to admit to genocide and infanticide and accepting bribes to change his justice. Jesus, although more likable, will also have to admit to that same crime.

The count is on, as you can see, and the twins are losing big time. All a part of god’s plan, I guess.



Gnostic Jesus saves all. He has a universalist policy that is tied to the righteousness of god.

The Christian Jesus is the same as his genocidal father. He has to whine that he could only save a few.

He said he came to cure, but scriptures have him also killing instead of curing.

Just like his vile father. A shame that, as some like Jesus, although most do not like him enough to live as he did.

Satan is though to have lost round one in heaven, but I see Yahweh as the loser as he lost a third of the host.

Round two is all Satan’s, as shown by the religious who mostly follow fascist thinking.

God is said to have the Gold Medal for all things, but he is sure a loser when it comes to making good souls.

I am pleased that the Gnostic God makes all souls good. He is not the loser Yahweh is.

Do you hope Jesus wins Armageddon, given that he and his twin Yahweh are such immoral gods?

Regards
DL

The word Satan simply means adversary. There is no magic devil flying around trying to be successful competition for the Creator of all things.
Most Christians have become satans with their worship of comfortable lies, wars, and Jews etc.

 

[GreatestIam]

The word Satan simply means adversary. There is no magic devil flying around trying to be successful competition for the Creator of all things.
Most Christians have become satans with their worship of comfortable lies, wars, and Jews etc.

She is more like a Loyal Opposition.

Without her and Eve, Adam would still not know what to do with his junk.

Satan is good, but Christians will not emulate her as they prefer the genocidal homophobic and misogynous God.

Yahweh, Christians stupidly say, is good.

Regards
DL

 

[Ivan88]

She is more like a Loyal Opposition.

Without her and Eve, Adam would still not know what to do with his junk.

Satan is good, but Christians will not emulate her as they prefer the genocidal homophobic and misogynous God.

Yahweh, Christians stupidly say, is good.

Regards
DL

Well consider this: In the Book of Mormon, 2Nephi 2:22-23, If Adam did no sin, He would have been stuck in the Garden of Eden forever, having no joy and doing no good, because no sin was done. Therefore, Nephi is saying that to have joy and to do good, one must sin. Thus Sin is Good.
How is it that the Creator didn't know what He was doing, and needed Adam to sin?

 

[GreatestIam]

Well consider this: In the Book of Mormon, 2Nephi 2:22-23, If Adam did no sin, He would have been stuck in the Garden of Eden forever, having no joy and doing no good, because no sin was done. Therefore, Nephi is saying that to have joy and to do good, one must sin. Thus Sin is Good.
How is it that the Creator didn't know what He was doing, and needed Adam to sin?

We do not have to sin in the sense of competing and creating victims, but if we do not, we go extinct.

I agree that sin is good and only a small amount of our overall benefits of our continuing evolution.

We are even good at mitigating the harm of our competing, with social safety nets.

Regards
DL

 

[Ivan88]

Regarding the Title of this thread:

How much of the universe will god suffer losing to Satan?​

To even ask such a question reveals how deluded the asker is.
1st of all, The name of the Creator is not the name of the Babylonian Idol for good luck: god or gad.
2ndly Yanuah/YauahShua is not so stupid as to create competition to Himself;
3. The word Satan simply means adversary, so in that correct sense of the word, Adam was the first adversary, followed by Cain. Even more infamously is Esau/Edom.
4. The wages of sin is death, not eternal life anywhere in Yahuah's Perfect Universe.
So all adversaries to He who knows and and made all is either dead forever or will soon be dead forever, as if they never were.

 

[onefour1]

Well consider this: In the Book of Mormon, 2Nephi 2:22-23, If Adam did no sin, He would have been stuck in the Garden of Eden forever, having no joy and doing no good, because no sin was done. Therefore, Nephi is saying that to have joy and to do good, one must sin. Thus Sin is Good.
How is it that the Creator didn't know what He was doing, and needed Adam to sin?

God knows the end from the beginning. He knew way before he ever placed Adam and Eve into the Garden of Eden that they would choose to partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. He knew Adam and Eve would fall and become mortal. For this reason God chose a Savior to atone for the sins of mankind before the foundation of this earth.

1 Peter 1:18-20
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

If God never wanted Adam and Eve to fall, why would he place a character like Satan on the earth to tempt Adam and Eve? Why would he place the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden and give a commandment that he knew full well in advance that Adam and Eve would break? Why would he call a Savior before the foundation of the earth to atone for sin? Certainly if god never wanted the fall to occur he could have kept Satan from the earth, never placed the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden, and made sure there was no opportunity for mankind to transgress by not giving a commandment to not eat of the tree. But God did go ahead and make sure that Satan and his minions were on the earth to tempt Adam and Eve, He made sure to place the tree in the garden and gave specific command not to eat of it, and knowing full well what outcome would be, He called a Savior way before He ever placed Adam and Eve in the garden to atone for their transgression. So do you really think that God never wanted Adam and Eve to fall? God gave Adam and Eve a simple command to not eat of the tree or else they would be cast out of the garden and die. Adam and Eve partook and gained a knowledge of good and evil and became mortal. A Savior was then needed. Surely this was all by design and God wanted mankind to experience mortality and gain a knowledge of good and evil in order to give them opportunity to progress and become more like God and understand good and evil and learn to become strong by overcoming temptation and learn to love and choose goodness over evil.

Genesis 3:22
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

The reason God goes through all of this for mankind is because God never had the power to create mankind from nothing and create him to be perfect. Man is as coeternal as God himself and has always existed. God could not create that which has always existed to be more than what its state of existence is. He has to teach such beings to choose to be better beings. If God had the power to create mankind out of nothing, then surely he could have created mankind to be perfect. But this is not the case. Mankind has always existed and God gives them opportunity to progress.

Doctrine and Covenants 93:29
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.

The fall was a progression which allows mankind to experience good and evil first hand and to learn all about it. It gives man the opportunity to overcome temptation and evil of his own free will and choice. This experience is given to mankind as a temporary state of being. Eventually all mankind will resurrect and overcome death and live forever. In the eternities, we will all look back at this mortal experience as a chance to learn good and evil and use our free will to choose good over evil. In this way we can become more like God. Nobody makes God be a good being. He does so of his own free will and choice. He prizes the good over the evil and wants us all to become more like him and be more exalted as a good being by learning to overcome evil and choose to be good beings. The fall was a necessary step in this progression. God had to give an opposing commandment to be justified in bringing about the fall. Without the commandment and its accompanying penalty, no fall would have occurred and mans opportunity to gain knowledge of good and evil and chance to learn to overcome the evil of his own free will would not have come about. The only purpose of the command was to give man a reason to be placed into a fallen situation in order to experience and learn to be a better being of his own free will and choice.

 

[GreatestIam]

To even ask such a question reveals how deluded the asker is.

You answer what you think are delusional questions.

Rather stupid of you.

Regards
DL

 

[Clyde 154]

How much of the universe will god suffer losing to Satan?

Religions posit that in the beginning, there was only a good god. Yin without Yang.

Religions also posit that god created a hell for his loses, in terms of souls.

God calls many but few hear his call, as many wise men have noted. Not that the wise believe in the supernatural. We do not.

Imagine if you will, that the Yahweh Jesus twins had to report for a report card from a better god. Yahweh the horrible, would have to admit to genocide and infanticide and accepting bribes to change his justice. Jesus, although more likable, will also have to admit to that same crime.

The count is on, as you can see, and the twins are losing big time. All a part of god’s plan, I guess.



Gnostic Jesus saves all. He has a universalist policy that is tied to the righteousness of god.

The Christian Jesus is the same as his genocidal father. He has to whine that he could only save a few.

He said he came to cure, but scriptures have him also killing instead of curing.

Just like his vile father. A shame that, as some like Jesus, although most do not like him enough to live as he did.

Satan is though to have lost round one in heaven, but I see Yahweh as the loser as he lost a third of the host.

Round two is all Satan’s, as shown by the religious who mostly follow fascist thinking.

God is said to have the Gold Medal for all things, but he is sure a loser when it comes to making good souls.

I am pleased that the Gnostic God makes all souls good. He is not the loser Yahweh is.

Do you hope Jesus wins Armageddon, given that he and his twin Yahweh are such immoral gods?

Regards
DL

The real question does not concern the physical universe....but the spiritual image of God that every human on earth is created with, That Spirit never dies.....God has been truthful from the beginning, you must choose which Master you will serve......the "god" of this world which is Satan (2 Cor. 4:4) or the Spirutal creator of everything natural?

Everything "natural" already belongs to Satan.....from the time Adam and Eve introduced sin into the natural world. Satan cannot possibly win any war with the God of Creation, as everything natural was created with an expiration date and is governed by the laws of physics that God created to regulate the reality that is the natural universe. Christians are "Called Out" from the world. (John 15:19)

There is a war going on 24/7..........between Satan and God. But.......Satan is dead and apparently does not realize it. Even Satan, who was created by God as a servant to Himself.......now has an expiration date, a date that only the Father knows, a date where Satan and all who follow him will be cast into an everlasting lake of fire as punishment for corrupting God's creations. (Rev. 20:10) God allows this reality to go on only because of His longsuffering with mankind. (Eccl. 8:11) Satan has already lost the battle of eternal death for the righteous in the person of Jesus Christ (who was the 1st born of many who will defeat death at the last trump)......God tarries only because He would have all men be saved by coming to the knowledge of the truth.

God has given every opporunity for the salvation of man's eternal spirit. Even the Christ declared that was His mission statement as God incarnate......to deliver the truth that feeds a man's spirit instead of his flesh (John 6:26-27). Jesus is the only path for eternal salvation of men's souls. Satan was defeated even before God cast him down from heaven......as God had a plan for man's salavation before the worlds were formed or time itself began .........this plan involved giving every living human being of history the opportunity to find salvation through the birth, life, death/sacrifice and resurrection of His only begotten son. (1 Peter 1:20, 2 Tim. 1:9).

Christians are Spiritual Warriors, enaged in battle each and every day with the god of this world. (1 Tim. 1:18,1 Tim. 6:12, 2 Tim. 2:3). The Apostle described his ministry as a constant battleground.........engaged daily in battle with the god of this world (1 Cor. 9:26, 2 Tim. 4:7).

Again.....the real question is..........ARE YOUR READY TO ACCEPT THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH THAT LEADS TO ETERNAL SALVATION OF THE HUMAN SPIRIT? as God would have all men saved by coming to the knowledge of this truth. (1 Tim.2:4)

The scriptures cannot be more unambiguous, they are crystal clear. "In whom the god of this world (Satan) hath blinded the mind (spirit) which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel (truth) of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine into them." -- 2 Cor. 4:4

The correct answer to your query? Satan (the god of this world) has only the power that men allow him to have, if your life is corrupted, don't blame the God of Creation who has been truthful and loving of mankind since the beginning. As far as the Universe goes? God created it with limitations called the laws of physics. It was designed to die as is every thing within its scope. It will end....when God determines it will end. Satan has neither lot nor part in the matter. The created can never be superior to the CREATOR. Satan......the great deceiver, the original liar and father of lies............has deceived himself because of PRIDE, he was never a challenge to God who created him. His greatest success would have men believe his lies in thinking that a contest actually exists between God and "god".......with a little "g". The real contest is between "men" and the god of this world.

 

[GreatestIam]

The created can never be superior to the CREATOR. Satan......the great deceiver, the original liar and father of lies............has deceived himself because of PRIDE, he was never a challenge to God who created him. His greatest success would have men believe his lies in thinking that a contest actually exists between God and "god".......with a little "g". The real contest is between "men" and the god of this world.

Quite a lot of lies to digest so I cut most of it.

Your bible calls Satan and Jesus bearers of light.

Job 2;3 has Yahweh being moved by Satan and that tells us who has the power in heaven.

If your last is correct, then you should recognize that when Yahweh gave Satan the extra power to deceive the whole world, Yahweh fixed the fight in Satan's favor. A God given favor to what you see as evil.

Yahweh is evil's and Satan's friend. Right?

Regards
DL

 

[Clyde 154]

Quite a lot of lies to digest so I cut most of it.

Your bible calls Satan and Jesus bearers of light.

Job 2;3 has Yahweh being moved by Satan and that tells us who has the power in heaven.

If your last is correct, then you should recognize that when Yahweh gave Satan the extra power to deceive the whole world, Yahweh fixed the fight in Satan's favor. A God given favor to what you see as evil.

Yahweh is evil's and Satan's friend. Right?

Regards
DL

My Bible? Nuff said, since YOUR BIBLE was not written by men until just recently in history. Speaking of being CORRECT. How many false predictions is your cult responsible for over the past few decades of history? Just saying.

As far as Satan being granted the power of deception (lies) by the Creator.........God created even the angels with FREE WILL. Just like men, angels are beings created with FREE WILL, CAPABLE OF SINNING BY FREE WILL CHOICE (2 Peter 2:4). The scriptures tell us the nature of that sin (Jude 6). God cast Satan and his angels from heaven......down to earth. (Rev. 12:9)

Pershaps a refresher course in....God's Holy Scriptures that date back over 3500 years without being broken might be beneficial to someone that clearly knows nothing about how God describes Angels, of which Satan was created in the beginning along with every other creation to include men.

Angel simply means "MESSENGER" in both the Greek and Hebrew language. (Heb. 2:2). They are "innumberable" in number (Rev. 5:11). Yet only "2" angels are mentioned by name in the Holy Scriptures (Michael and Gabriel) -- Jude 9, Luke 1:19

Angels are "spiritural beings" (Gen. 32:29, Judges 13:17-18). They were part of CREATION from the beginning (Col. 1:16-17). They were created with the rest of the world's creations (Ps. 148:2-5). They are of a higher order than man in God's creations (Ps. 8:4-5). They DO NOT MARRY (Matt. 22:30), Satan is referred to as the Prince of demons (Matt. 12:24)

ANGELS ARE NOT TO BE WORSHIPED (Rev. 19:10). When men of the world.......that Satan rules, serve the lies of Satan as you are doing with your false doctrine, you are worshiping a FALLEN ANGEL........Jesus called Satan........the devil who led a rebellion in heaven, whom God has a place reserved, eternal lake of fire (Matt.25:24)

Clearly Satan....aka, the devil...prince of demons is not "omnipotent" and can never defeat the God of Creation (1 John 4:4) Satan rules only that which men allow him to rule as the light inside all Christians is greater than the world. You serve Satan through pride and ignorance.

 

[GreatestIam]

You serve Satan through pride and ignorance.

Which one of us honors evils in a God?

You are the one kissing the ass of a genocidal homophobic and misogynous God that you have to lie about.

When you want to talk honestly, I am here for you.

Regards
DL

 

[Clyde 154]

Which one of us honors evils in a God?

You are the one kissing the ass of a genocidal homophobic and misogynous God that you have to lie about.

When you want to talk honestly, I am here for you.

Regards
DL

Priceless.........as I have stated before, the reason I am here is for the entertainment value. There is nothing more gratifying than winding up a puppet sock and watching the show. Consisting of pure unadulterated AD HOMINEM BULL SHIT.

Do you know the characteristics of an IGMOE? What is an IGMOE? Its neither an ignorant person or a stupid person......its a combination of both. A person so ignorant that he does not even know that he don't know. Characteristic? The personal ad hominem attack is his only ammo due to the ignorance of the subject he is pretending to challenge. There are several things that one can fake...........INTELLIGENCE IS NOT ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

 

[Unkotare]

How much of the universe will god suffer losing to Satan?

Religions posit that in the beginning, there was only a good god. Yin without Yang.

Religions also posit that god created a hell for his loses, in terms of souls.

God calls many but few hear his call, as many wise men have noted. Not that the wise believe in the supernatural. We do not.

Imagine if you will, that the Yahweh Jesus twins had to report for a report card from a better god. Yahweh the horrible, would have to admit to genocide and infanticide and accepting bribes to change his justice. Jesus, although more likable, will also have to admit to that same crime.

The count is on, as you can see, and the twins are losing big time. All a part of god’s plan, I guess.



Gnostic Jesus saves all. He has a universalist policy that is tied to the righteousness of god.

The Christian Jesus is the same as his genocidal father. He has to whine that he could only save a few.

He said he came to cure, but scriptures have him also killing instead of curing.

Just like his vile father. A shame that, as some like Jesus, although most do not like him enough to live as he did.

Satan is though to have lost round one in heaven, but I see Yahweh as the loser as he lost a third of the host.

Round two is all Satan’s, as shown by the religious who mostly follow fascist thinking.

God is said to have the Gold Medal for all things, but he is sure a loser when it comes to making good souls.

I am pleased that the Gnostic God makes all souls good. He is not the loser Yahweh is.

Do you hope Jesus wins Armageddon, given that he and his twin Yahweh are such immoral gods?

Regards
DL

God doesn't lose anything. It's not Monday Night Football.

 

[GreatestIam]

God doesn't lose anything. It's not Monday Night Football.

You know this as a fact, how?

Regards
DL