How much do extremely wealthy people owe to the society that gave them the chance to prosper so much?

[AZrailwhale]

Shouldn’t they pay 8% more on that 1 dollar and not on the total sum?

The tax rate should go down on higher earnings, not up. You've already paid far too much by that point, imho.

The difference is the lower tiers are funds that cover living expenses while the upper tiers represent expendable income beyond living expenses. This is why they are taxed at a higher rate. Money needs to flow and circulate for an economy to operate at a healthy level. Living expenses continuously circulate. Expendable income often gets saved and invested.

And every cent that is invested or saved circulates throughout the economy. There aren't bundles of money in banks or rich people's mattresses. The money saved is loaned out by the banks and credit unions to people and businesses and the invested money is used to buy raw materials and pay salaries for workers.

 

[Anomalism]

I most certainly am hostile and condescending when I feel it's warranted by stupidity. Unlike you, I've earned it through long life experience.

You haven't earned the right to be an asshole; that was already your right. That's just how you act and it's childish.

Are you expecting it to somehow matter to me that someone I view with derision doesn't approve of me? Did you really think, "Well, you're not a nice person and I don't like you" was going to make me cower and grovel? This isn't middle school, little one, and woke cancel culture just makes us laugh at you harder.

As I've said, I have children older than you are. I have attended public schools, I have worked for public schools, I have had responsibility for educating my own offspring, for whom I had personal and very real responsibility. In terms of the wider thread topic, I have held jobs both good and bad, I have earned money, I have paid taxes, I have owned property, and I have held the responsibility for the lives and well-being of other human beings. I have personally lived through multiple political administrations and experienced the changing attitudes and behaviors of government that went with them. I have personally dealt with government agencies on a number of issues, and even worked for a few.

In short, I have lived and experienced what you only theorize about, and I most certainly HAVE earned the right to be an asshole to any jumped-up obnoxious adolescent who wants to tell me how the world "really is" based on his daydreams and overactive hormones. Every single generation, when it gets to be your age, thinks it's more brilliant, insightful, creative, and morally superior to the ones previous. And every single generation is wrong about that.

I don't care if it bothers you or not. I'm just calling you a hypocrite because you act very childish.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Cut administration. When I went to grade school we had a principal, a clerk, a janitor and a nurse. Now the same school has a principal, two vice-principals, multiple clerks, a nurse, at least one "security officer" and several janitors.

If this can be done well I'm not against it, but some schools are really big.

The grade school I went to has the same student population as when I went there.

 

[Orangecat]

Well you made it sound like there are all kinds of people that you disagree cordially with, people that offer better conversation. Maybe I misinterpreted you.

Cordial disagreement is pretty much dead in current times. You're okay in my book, but you do seem to lean Marxist, an ideology I totally oppose.

 

[Anomalism]

Cordial disagreement is pretty much dead in current times.

It seems like everybody just wants to make the situation more toxic.

 

[Cecilie1200]

That's also been said about every single revolution in history, including our own.

Good luck champ.

One of the big problems with leftists in this society is that they're so blinded by their own assumption of moral superiority that they can't see they have the political equivalent of abusive spouse syndrome. They think they can do whatever they want, push as far as they choose, force whatever they please on people indefinitely, and those people will just continue to tolerate it and remain helpless. And then they're always shocked and outraged when their victims turn on them. Never occurs to them that it's their own fault for not just stopping the abuse.

So good luck with THAT, "champ".

 

[Chuz Life]

If Bill Gates was in line at the gricery store, would you expect for him to pay more for the same brand of a gallon of milk than you are paying for yours?

 

[Cecilie1200]

That's unusual. Why didn't you go to high school?

It's more efficient for a child to learn from educators one on one.

How would you know? Have a lot of wide and varied experience with children and education, do you?

 

[Anomalism]

How would you know? Have a lot of wide and varied experience with children and education, do you?

Are you disagreeing with my assessment? Will a child get a better education in a classroom where attention is split?

 

[Cecilie1200]

you dont have a right to tell others how to handle their potential,,,

I can vote for people that want to help people reach their potential.

But, will you?

Judging by his posts, he'll vote for people who want to decide other people's potential for them.

 

[westwall]

I hear of this, I don't know how much is true. My issue with supplying the schools more is that we do not see a correlation with more money and supplies and better grades and better students.

It's true and it happens a lot, especially in poor schools where teachers are already not making a lot of money.

Evidence? Name us a poor school where teachers have to buy classroom supplies out of their own pockets because the district can't afford to provide the money.

Teachers, in reality aren't worth much
They have powerful unions for being glorified babysitters though.

Is it? Nothing about your posts indicate that you see it that way.

I'm not arrogant enough to think my way is the only way to see things.

Buuuut, that's exactly what you said just a few pages ago.

 

[Anomalism]

Buuuut, that's exactly what you said just a few pages ago.

Quote me? Maybe there's a misunderstanding.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Surely something, right? I see a lot of people talk like taxes are theft. Is it not just our obligation?

This is like "would you step in for a million bucks and go 3 rounds with tyson" a lot of people will say yes.

but if it was "would you dedicate to daily hard training in order to prepare to fight mike tyson for a year" most would say no.


It's like business, would you risk everthing you have put in 15 hr days to build a buisness and provide employment to others most would say "no"


Therefore the whole idea of the wealthy owe is flawed.



that said, we also on the other hand should not be giving tax breaks to companies like amazon, etc.

Actually, I think that depends on the tax break in question.

 

[Cecilie1200]

A GED?

All I'm going to say is I could have passed the GED when I was 12 years old. I'll let you assume whatever you want from there.

Is that supposed to impress someone? The GED is not a high bar to clear.

 

[Cecilie1200]

How would you know? Have a lot of wide and varied experience with children and education, do you?

Are you disagreeing with my assessment? Will a child get a better education in a classroom where attention is split?

Obviously I'm disagreeing with your assessment. And I'll answer your question after you answer the one I asked you first. This isn't an inquisition, Torquemada. You gotta give to get.

 

[Orangecat]

The difference is the lower tiers are funds that cover living expenses while the upper tiers represent expendable income beyond living expenses.

Who are you to decide what living expenses are for other people?

This is why they are taxed at a higher rate. Money needs to flow and circulate for an economy to operate at a healthy level. Living expenses continuously circulate. Expendable income often gets saved and invested.

Savings and investments circulate money in the economy. Banks loan out savings at a legal rate of 10 to 1, and investments put money right back into the economy as well. If I invest in gold, the gold dealer now has my cash to spend stimulating the economy.

 

[Anomalism]

The GED is not a high bar to clear.

Never said it is. Not bad for a 12 year old though, or do you disagree?

 

[Orangecat]

It seems like everybody just wants to make the situation more toxic.

Anonymity brings out the worst in many.

 

[Anomalism]

Obviously I'm disagreeing with your assessment. And I'll answer your question after you answer the one I asked you first. This isn't an inquisition, Torquemada. You gotta give to get.

It's obvious that one on one instruction from a good educator is more efficient than being one of thirty students in a classroom.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The equivalent? Sorry, kid, you missed out on the social skills that normal people learn in high school. Probably the education, too.
You were the one who accused someone of being uneducated. It appears you were projecting.

It's funny to see people on this forum lecture others about social skills.

It's funny to see people on this forum thinking this is anything like real life.