How much do extremely wealthy people owe to the society that gave them the chance to prosper so much?

[westwall]

I hear anecdotal stories but I have yet to met a teacher or known a teacher that has done this.

31 teachers across the US reveal their exact salary, and how much of it goes to paying for school supplies like chalk and pencils

Many teachers say they're paying for basic supplies out of their own pocket, with expenses as high as $1,000 in some places.

www.businessinsider.com

If you want an anecdote from inside your own experiences you're going to have to go out and meet these people.

Several of the teachers said they don't buy supplies for the kids and others do. I know budgets are tight and money is tight but we spend more per child on education than most if not all countries and our results are average at best. So, the issue isn't the money, there are other issues, maybe government and or parents, which money won't fix.

I had to buy all the supplies for my stepson, and the list was extensive.

Teachers are lying when they whine about how hard they've got it.

Yep. I had to do the same for my daughter. Even in high school we have to pay for supplies.

There are some school districts in poor areas that do struggle, however.

 

[Billiejeens]

I hear of this, I don't know how much is true. My issue with supplying the schools more is that we do not see a correlation with more money and supplies and better grades and better students.

It's true and it happens a lot, especially in poor schools where teachers are already not making a lot of money.

Evidence? Name us a poor school where teachers have to buy classroom supplies out of their own pockets because the district can't afford to provide the money.

Teachers, in reality aren't worth much
They have powerful unions for being glorified babysitters though.

 

[Orangecat]

I'm not hinting at that. You won't **** off about my personal life. You are the one digging.

Don't get triggered, kid.
How does one "**** off about your personal life"?
Look, I was a know-it-all 18 year old at one time, too. You've got a lot to learn about life by living it. There's no shortcuts.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I have an equivalent. You're trying really hard to make this all about me.

The equivalent? Sorry, kid, you missed out on the social skills that normal people learn in high school. Probably the education, too.
You were the one who accused someone of being uneducated. It appears you were projecting.

Social skills are way over rated.

For the life of me, I've never figured out what's supposed to be so all-fired social about attending school. If I remember correctly, back through the mists of time, we spent every single class being told to sit still, be quiet, and not communicate with each other in any way, lest we be suspected of cheating. Any socializing that was done was done outside of classes, which is just as possible for people using alternative education methods.

 

[westwall]

As John Stuart Mill wisely observed:

"Even what a person has produced by his individual toil, unaided by any one, he cannot keep, unless by the permission of society. Not only can society take it from him, but individuals could and would take it from him, if society only remained passive; if it did not either interfere en masse, or employ and pay people for the purpose of preventing him from being disturbed in the possession. The distribution of wealth, therefore, depends on the laws and customs of society. The rules by which it is determined, are what the opinions and feelings of the ruling portion of the community make them, and are very different in different ages and countries; and might be still more different, if mankind so chose."

So society is entitled to take your stuff because it can?

That's called "the law of the jungle." That's what passes for morality among leftists.

If you'll notice, it is talking about if the society or government were not to interfere with the natural order. That isn't to say that should do so. It is a reminder that if society protects what you own, you own that society something in return. And indeed more than those whom society helped you exploit for that gain.

How is manufacturing, and selling a product to someone, exploiting them?

 

[Papageorgio]

I hear anecdotal stories but I have yet to met a teacher or known a teacher that has done this.

31 teachers across the US reveal their exact salary, and how much of it goes to paying for school supplies like chalk and pencils

Many teachers say they're paying for basic supplies out of their own pocket, with expenses as high as $1,000 in some places.

www.businessinsider.com

If you want an anecdote from inside your own experiences you're going to have to go out and meet these people.

Several of the teachers said they don't buy supplies for the kids and others do. I know budgets are tight and money is tight but we spend more per child on education than most if not all countries and our results are average at best. So, the issue isn't the money, there are other issues, maybe government and or parents, which money won't fix.

I had to buy all the supplies for my stepson, and the list was extensive.

Teachers are lying when they whine about how hard they've got it.

I supplied my children's school supplies and I have helped my grandkids get supplies. My daughter gets two lists, the first is the schools and then she gets one from each teacher.

 

[whitehall]

They owe as much as everyone else in a society that offered a chance to prosper.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I hear of this, I don't know how much is true. My issue with supplying the schools more is that we do not see a correlation with more money and supplies and better grades and better students.

It's true and it happens a lot, especially in poor schools where teachers are already not making a lot of money.

Evidence? Name us a poor school where teachers have to buy classroom supplies out of their own pockets because the district can't afford to provide the money.

Teachers, in reality aren't worth much
They have powerful unions for being glorified babysitters though.

Depends on the teacher. As with any skill, some people are excellent, some are passable, and some suck. Some people have an absolute talent for it, and some are merely functional through practice. With the exception of the ones who suck, you can get an adequate education from any of them.

 

[JusticeHammer]

Surely something, right? I see a lot of people talk like taxes are theft. Is it not just our obligation?

Answer is nothing.

 

[progressive hunter]

you dont have a right to tell others how to handle their potential,,,

I can vote for people that want to help people reach their potential.

hate to break it to you but if you need help you didnt reach your potential cause you needed help,,,

 

[usmcstinger]

People who do well have a very strong work ethic, will get the training and education needed to reach their goal. It is not aways easy and sacrifices need to be made. My father a Legal Immigrant and WWII Vet told me 2 things: work hard and be honest. I have no problem with people who have become very wealthy. I spent the last 14 years of my life as a County Director of Veterans Services ( 8 years ) and the last 6 years as a State Deputy Director for Veterans Affairs. I guess serving as a USMC Infantry Fire Team Leader in Vietnam helped as well my BA from a State College. I loved insuring that my Brother and Sister Veterans and their families got those benefits and services they were entitled to. I loved every minute of those 14 years.

 

[Anomalism]

This thread has illustrated your lack of understanding on many levels.

You probably think that about everybody that disagrees with you.

 

[Anomalism]

Don't get triggered, kid.
How does one "**** off about your personal life"?
Look, I was a know-it-all 18 year old at one time, too. You've got a lot to learn about life by living it. There's no shortcuts.

I think I'm doing great. Thanks for your concern.

 

[Billiejeens]

Don't get triggered, kid.
How does one "**** off about your personal life"?
Look, I was a know-it-all 18 year old at one time, too. You've got a lot to learn about life by living it. There's no shortcuts.

I think I'm doing great. Thanks for your concern.

As long as you are happy and not a burden on society.

 

[Cecilie1200]

not sure about you because youre a faceless voice on the internet,, but your views are very evil and need called out when they show their ugly face,,,

Evil is subjective. All any of us can do is use our own sense of right and wrong.

That particular assertion is one of the reasons why your views are considered evil. I don't think your sense of right and wrong are necessarily trusted or respected, either.

Why do I suspect that you don't consider the concept of "fair" to be nearly as subjective?

 

[Anomalism]

Why do I suspect that you don't consider the concept of "fair" to be nearly as subjective?

Of course it is.

 

[Cecilie1200]

and what you consider right is stealing from others for a proven failed idea,,

My greatest hope for humanity is that we some day become enlightened and technologically advanced enough to transcend the need for currency. Maybe when AI takes over it will help us out with that.

You need to stop watching so much "Star Trek".

 

[22lcidw]

I hear of this, I don't know how much is true. My issue with supplying the schools more is that we do not see a correlation with more money and supplies and better grades and better students.

It's true and it happens a lot, especially in poor schools where teachers are already not making a lot of money.

Evidence? Name us a poor school where teachers have to buy classroom supplies out of their own pockets because the district can't afford to provide the money.

Teachers, in reality aren't worth much
They have powerful unions for being glorified babysitters though.

Since there is not enough funds to keep raising the salaries and benefits of teachers with the unions in control, we can not see improvement. Changes to the school systems are needed and that will not be done until a true totalitarian leader takes over.

 

[Cecilie1200]

the thing I dont get is why youre not willing to hold the gun yourself,,,

if I was going to steal from you I would do it myself and not use government enforcers to do it,,

Nobody is going to shoot you.

Seriously? You're seriously trying to tell us that government doesn't, ultimately, enforce its power over people at the point of a gun? Linear logic clearly isn't your long suit.

What happens if you don't pay your taxes? That's right, officers of the law come and arrest you and take you to jail. And why are you going to cooperate with them rather than telling them to **** off? Because they're armed. Why are you going to stay in jail instead of breaking out? Because the correctional officers are armed (well, the ones in the towers are, anyway).

Regardless, as much as your misinterpretation made you feel like you were being clever and condescending, it actually just made you look stupid. He didn't say anyone was going to shoot him. He said if you want to take his money, you should have the stones to come do it yourself, instead of pussying out and getting the government to do it for you. And if you had the stones to come yourself, you'd need a gun in order to succeed.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Why do I suspect that you don't consider the concept of "fair" to be nearly as subjective?

Of course it is.

Is it? Nothing about your posts indicate that you see it that way.