CDZ How many things do anti gunners get wrong....let us count the ways...

[2aguy]

--The biggest thing the anti gunners have gotten wrong....

the entire premise of their argument against guns is that more guns will lead to more crime.

They have been wrong....for the last 20 years. More Americans now own and acutally carry guns...and the gun murder rate, and the gun crime rate, has gone down. This is not made up or wishful thinking...actual FBI crime statistics, and CDC data actual show this is the case.....and right now the anti gunners are going to busily type..."Coincidence is not Causation" ......and they are wrong on this as well....

We are not even discussing causation for the decrease in the gun murder rate.

The fact is that as more Americans have bought, owned and carried guns...the gun murder rate and the over all violence rate went down...not up........showing that anti gunners were completely wrong with the core premise of their anti gun beliefs.....

They were wrong...


--They claim that gun owners in a mass shooting will turn into Rambos.

They have been wrong on this, and we saw this in dramatic fashion at the Dallas shooting and at the Gabby Giffords shooting.....the gun owners acted responsibly, they did not shoot innocent people and in the case of Dallas, since the police were on the Scene, they retreated and allowed the trained police professionals handle the situation..

--The claim that armed civilians at the scene of a mass shooting or violent crime will be seen as a threat and shot by arriving police.....

Again, we have Dallas.....and the Gifford's shooting as well as other mass public shootings where normal gun owners with guns have stopped the attack and have not been shot by the police....

Dittos for regular criminal attack.....I love the video of the black guy with the gun holding the white car jacker on the ground with his gun...then the police arrive and they shake the guys hand.......again, showing that the anti gunners are just wrong....

--allowing guns in bars will lead to drunk people shooting each other......

this one has been shown to be wrong.....40 states apparently allow concealed carry in places that serve alcohol and Virginia allowed carrying guns in bars last year....and the crime rate in their bars went down 5.9%......

--Allowing people to carry guns, both open carry and concealed carry would increase the gun crime rate.....

this has been shown to be wrong...with 20 years of evidence showing it to be wrong.....over 13 million people now carry guns.........and the gun murder rate went down, not up........

--Normal gun owners with guns don't stop mass shootings.....

this has been show to be wrong over and over again.......the night club attacked 2 weeks after the orlando attack, was stopped by a concealed carry gun owner....we have shown actual mass shooting attempts stopped by concealed carriers...given actual examples.....and the anti gunners simply deny they exist....even though we have taken the time to type about them and linked to the actual stories......

--mass shooters don't target gun free zones....

I have linked to the videos, diaries, notes and confessions and wiretaps of mass shooters who actually stated they decided on their target because they wanted a gun free zone where they could kill at will and not be stopped........

Sandy Hook
South Carolina Church shooter
Aurora Theater shooter
Santa Barbara shooter
The muslim terrorist mega church attacker



this is just off the top of my head..........any others....

 

[2aguy]

Here is a nice look at what the anti gunners do....

Lying Anti-Gun Activists

 

[2aguy]

Oh....that AR-15s are incredibly dangerous weapons.......

This one has been shown to be wrong......but they keep saying it....

All rifle types with detachable magazines were shown by the list on Mother Jones to have been used to murder people in mass public shootings, from 1982-2016 ....murdering 157 people....in 34 years....


157 people in 34 years...and that is all rifles with detachable magazines...not just AR-15s ...so you know that number is tiny.....

in comparison....

Cars killed 33,000 people....

Knives in 2014 murdered 1,567 people...in that year alone....and each year they murder over 1,500 people......every single year....

And every year knives, clubs and bare hands kill more people than all rifles combined.......each year.....every year....

They are wrong on this too.......

 

[yiostheoy]

While the AR-15 and AK-14 designs and their clones become more and more popular with gun enthusiasts and criminals, they also become more hated by non-gun owning peoples.

This is a reality that will come to a head sometime soon.

If Hillary gets a super majority in the Senate and control of the House she can pass another assault weapons ban like the last one that Bill passed. The GOP would only pass it with a sunset clause on it last time. It sunset during GW's presidency and the GOP by then would not renew it.

It would not be overturned by the SCOTUS because the 8 of them refused to hear a similar local ban recently and so they let the local ban stand.

And Hillary won't be stacking the Court with strict constructionists. She will try to stack it with judicial activists like Ginsberg, who was appointed by her hubby.

If McConnell can keep control of the Senate then he can prevent any new SCOTUS appointments and the Court will eventually trickle down (Reagan's favorite word) to 7 -- and then as long as Kennedy stays on the Court it will be a balanced court between strict constructionist and judicial activists with Kennedy being the swing voter.

Those are the current gun politics in the USA.

As to who is right and who is wrong, that is strictly an exercise is mud throwing and name calling.

 

[2aguy]

While the AR-15 and AK-14 designs and their clones become more and more popular with gun enthusiasts and criminals, they also become more hated by non-gun owning peoples.

This is a reality that will come to a head sometime soon.

If Hillary gets a super majority in the Senate and control of the House she can pass another assault weapons ban like the last one that Bill passed. The GOP would only pass it with a sunset clause on it last time. It sunset during GW's presidency and the GOP by then would not renew it.

It would not be overturned by the SCOTUS because the 8 of them refused to hear a similar local ban recently and so they let the local ban stand.

And Hillary won't be stacking the Court with strict constructionists. She will try to stack it with judicial activists like Ginsberg, who was appointed by her hubby.

If McConnell can keep control of the Senate then he can prevent any new SCOTUS appointments and the Court will eventually trickle down (Reagan's favorite word) to 7 -- and then as long as Kennedy stays on the Court it will be a balanced court between strict constructionist and judicial activists with Kennedy being the swing voter.

Those are the current gun politics in the USA.

As to who is right and who is wrong, that is strictly an exercise is mud throwing and name calling.

No...it isn't mud throwing or name calling...there is the 2nd Amendment and actual facts on top of that...that isn't name calling or mud throwing....that the anti gunners refuse to understand the 2nd Amendment, and don't care about the facts surrounding rifles in this country is the problem....

these rifles are not a problem.....they kill fewer people each year than knives, clubs and bare hands......so any desire to ban these weapons is not based in the facts, the truth or reality...but is simply based on undiagnosed mental health issues....

 

[The Irish Ram]

Over and over we have seen what gun bans have done. None have prevented violence. This is an assault on our Constitution. And Hillary means business. She is going to pick right up where Obama left off.
Stand up for American this time. Vote Trump.

 

[yiostheoy]

Over and over we have seen what gun bans have done. None have prevented violence. This is an assault on our Constitution. And Hillary means business. She is going to pick right up where Obama left off.
Stand up for American this time. Vote Trump.

Please leave BHO alone.

He did not do anything about guns or gun ammo.

Hillary is with Bill on the assault weapons ban thing. It is a family value of theirs.

They just don't like AK's and AR's or their clones.

 

[Stasha_Sz]

An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
Robert Heinlein

 

[2aguy]

Over and over we have seen what gun bans have done. None have prevented violence. This is an assault on our Constitution. And Hillary means business. She is going to pick right up where Obama left off.
Stand up for American this time. Vote Trump.

Please leave BHO alone.

He did not do anything about guns or gun ammo.

Hillary is with Bill on the assault weapons ban thing. It is a family value of theirs.

They just don't like AK's and AR's or their clones.

Wrong...he has appointed anti gun judges and increased taxes and fees on gun businesses......he also forced gun shops to sell guns to Mexican drug dealers in Fast and Furious....

 

[2aguy]

Over and over we have seen what gun bans have done. None have prevented violence. This is an assault on our Constitution. And Hillary means business. She is going to pick right up where Obama left off.
Stand up for American this time. Vote Trump.

Please leave BHO alone.

He did not do anything about guns or gun ammo.

Hillary is with Bill on the assault weapons ban thing. It is a family value of theirs.

They just don't like AK's and AR's or their clones.

obama has been doing things like this......

BREAKING: Obama Issues Executive Order That May Drive Gunsmiths Out of Business - The Truth About Guns

Last Friday President Obama issued one such order which changed the definition of a “manufacturer” under the ITAR treaty regulations, a change which now means anyone who so much as threads a barrel on a firearm needs to pay thousands more dollars in fees and is subject to further registration. From the NRA:

By way of background, the AECA and ITAR concern rules by which military materiel is exported from, and imported to, the United States. The so-called “defense articles” governed by the AECA/ITAR are compiled in what is known as the U.S. Munitions List and include some, but not all, firearms and ammunition, as well as their parts and components.

Thus, for purposes of the regime, a spring or floorplate from the magazine of a controlled firearm is subject to the same regulatory framework as the firearm itself.

The AECA/ITAR require anybody who engages in the business of “manufacturing” a defense article to register with DDTC and pay a registration fee that for new applicants is currently $2,250 per year. These requirements apply, even if the business does not, and does not intend to, export any defense article.

Moreover, under ITAR, “only one occasion of manufacturing … a defense article” is necessary for a commercial entity to be considered “engaged in the business” and therefore subject to the regime’s requirements.

The issue is the definition of “manufacturer.” Previously, only machine shops who actually produce a firearm from scratch were required to register as a “manufacturer.” Local gun shops with a shade-tree gunsmith happily threading barrels and trueing up receivers were exempt, since they didn’t actually make anything new.

This new interpretation of the ITAR regulations has changed all that, and anyone who so much as threads a barrel now must further register with the Federal government as a “manufacturer” and pay an additional $2,250 in registration fees. That might not seem like a lot to a big shop, but for the small mom-and-pop gunsmiths this could be enough to put them out of business.

 

[yiostheoy]

While the AR-15 and AK-14 designs and their clones become more and more popular with gun enthusiasts and criminals, they also become more hated by non-gun owning peoples.

This is a reality that will come to a head sometime soon.

If Hillary gets a super majority in the Senate and control of the House she can pass another assault weapons ban like the last one that Bill passed. The GOP would only pass it with a sunset clause on it last time. It sunset during GW's presidency and the GOP by then would not renew it.

It would not be overturned by the SCOTUS because the 8 of them refused to hear a similar local ban recently and so they let the local ban stand.

And Hillary won't be stacking the Court with strict constructionists. She will try to stack it with judicial activists like Ginsberg, who was appointed by her hubby.

If McConnell can keep control of the Senate then he can prevent any new SCOTUS appointments and the Court will eventually trickle down (Reagan's favorite word) to 7 -- and then as long as Kennedy stays on the Court it will be a balanced court between strict constructionist and judicial activists with Kennedy being the swing voter.

Those are the current gun politics in the USA.

As to who is right and who is wrong, that is strictly an exercise is mud throwing and name calling.

No...it isn't mud throwing or name calling...there is the 2nd Amendment and actual facts on top of that...that isn't name calling or mud throwing....that the anti gunners refuse to understand the 2nd Amendment, and don't care about the facts surrounding rifles in this country is the problem....

these rifles are not a problem.....they kill fewer people each year than knives, clubs and bare hands......so any desire to ban these weapons is not based in the facts, the truth or reality...but is simply based on undiagnosed mental health issues....

Heart attacks kill more people than anything.

So do you want to ignore all other causes of death too?

The argument makes no sense.

Mass shootings make great news.

It scares the sh!t out of people.

So they are scared sh!tless.

The issue is propaganda.

If everyone carried their own assault rifle with them everywhere, perhaps encased to look more concealed, then there would be even less deaths from mass killings. That would be my own solution.

But most people are too much of a klutz to handle guns anyway.

So most klutzes want to ban guns.

Heller v. DC protects handguns for the foreseeable future, or worst case until Hillary can stack the SCOTUS with more Ginsbergs.

 

[2aguy]

While the AR-15 and AK-14 designs and their clones become more and more popular with gun enthusiasts and criminals, they also become more hated by non-gun owning peoples.

This is a reality that will come to a head sometime soon.

If Hillary gets a super majority in the Senate and control of the House she can pass another assault weapons ban like the last one that Bill passed. The GOP would only pass it with a sunset clause on it last time. It sunset during GW's presidency and the GOP by then would not renew it.

It would not be overturned by the SCOTUS because the 8 of them refused to hear a similar local ban recently and so they let the local ban stand.

And Hillary won't be stacking the Court with strict constructionists. She will try to stack it with judicial activists like Ginsberg, who was appointed by her hubby.

If McConnell can keep control of the Senate then he can prevent any new SCOTUS appointments and the Court will eventually trickle down (Reagan's favorite word) to 7 -- and then as long as Kennedy stays on the Court it will be a balanced court between strict constructionist and judicial activists with Kennedy being the swing voter.

Those are the current gun politics in the USA.

As to who is right and who is wrong, that is strictly an exercise is mud throwing and name calling.

No...it isn't mud throwing or name calling...there is the 2nd Amendment and actual facts on top of that...that isn't name calling or mud throwing....that the anti gunners refuse to understand the 2nd Amendment, and don't care about the facts surrounding rifles in this country is the problem....

these rifles are not a problem.....they kill fewer people each year than knives, clubs and bare hands......so any desire to ban these weapons is not based in the facts, the truth or reality...but is simply based on undiagnosed mental health issues....

Heart attacks kill more people than anything.

So do you want to ignore all other causes of death too?

The argument makes no sense.

Mass shootings make great news.

It scares the sh!t out of people.

So they are scared sh!tless.

The issue is propaganda.

If everyone carried their own assault rifle with them everywhere, perhaps encased to look more concealed, then there would be even less deaths from mass killings. That would be my own solution.

But most people are too much of a klutz to handle guns anyway.

So most klutzes want to ban guns.

Heller v. DC protects handguns for the foreseeable future, or worst case until Hillary can stack the SCOTUS with more Ginsbergs.

Which will be the first thing she does after she is elected........and if she ever gets control of both the house and the Senate the Lawful Commerce in Arms act will be removed and their minions will begin suing the gun makers out of the country......

 

[yiostheoy]

Over and over we have seen what gun bans have done. None have prevented violence. This is an assault on our Constitution. And Hillary means business. She is going to pick right up where Obama left off.
Stand up for American this time. Vote Trump.

Please leave BHO alone.

He did not do anything about guns or gun ammo.

Hillary is with Bill on the assault weapons ban thing. It is a family value of theirs.

They just don't like AK's and AR's or their clones.

obama has been doing things like this......

BREAKING: Obama Issues Executive Order That May Drive Gunsmiths Out of Business - The Truth About Guns

Last Friday President Obama issued one such order which changed the definition of a “manufacturer” under the ITAR treaty regulations, a change which now means anyone who so much as threads a barrel on a firearm needs to pay thousands more dollars in fees and is subject to further registration. From the NRA:

By way of background, the AECA and ITAR concern rules by which military materiel is exported from, and imported to, the United States. The so-called “defense articles” governed by the AECA/ITAR are compiled in what is known as the U.S. Munitions List and include some, but not all, firearms and ammunition, as well as their parts and components.

Thus, for purposes of the regime, a spring or floorplate from the magazine of a controlled firearm is subject to the same regulatory framework as the firearm itself.

The AECA/ITAR require anybody who engages in the business of “manufacturing” a defense article to register with DDTC and pay a registration fee that for new applicants is currently $2,250 per year. These requirements apply, even if the business does not, and does not intend to, export any defense article.

Moreover, under ITAR, “only one occasion of manufacturing … a defense article” is necessary for a commercial entity to be considered “engaged in the business” and therefore subject to the regime’s requirements.

The issue is the definition of “manufacturer.” Previously, only machine shops who actually produce a firearm from scratch were required to register as a “manufacturer.” Local gun shops with a shade-tree gunsmith happily threading barrels and trueing up receivers were exempt, since they didn’t actually make anything new.

This new interpretation of the ITAR regulations has changed all that, and anyone who so much as threads a barrel now must further register with the Federal government as a “manufacturer” and pay an additional $2,250 in registration fees. That might not seem like a lot to a big shop, but for the small mom-and-pop gunsmiths this could be enough to put them out of business.

$2250 is no big deal. Just raise your prices to cover the cost.

 

[yiostheoy]

While the AR-15 and AK-14 designs and their clones become more and more popular with gun enthusiasts and criminals, they also become more hated by non-gun owning peoples.

This is a reality that will come to a head sometime soon.

If Hillary gets a super majority in the Senate and control of the House she can pass another assault weapons ban like the last one that Bill passed. The GOP would only pass it with a sunset clause on it last time. It sunset during GW's presidency and the GOP by then would not renew it.

It would not be overturned by the SCOTUS because the 8 of them refused to hear a similar local ban recently and so they let the local ban stand.

And Hillary won't be stacking the Court with strict constructionists. She will try to stack it with judicial activists like Ginsberg, who was appointed by her hubby.

If McConnell can keep control of the Senate then he can prevent any new SCOTUS appointments and the Court will eventually trickle down (Reagan's favorite word) to 7 -- and then as long as Kennedy stays on the Court it will be a balanced court between strict constructionist and judicial activists with Kennedy being the swing voter.

Those are the current gun politics in the USA.

As to who is right and who is wrong, that is strictly an exercise is mud throwing and name calling.

No...it isn't mud throwing or name calling...there is the 2nd Amendment and actual facts on top of that...that isn't name calling or mud throwing....that the anti gunners refuse to understand the 2nd Amendment, and don't care about the facts surrounding rifles in this country is the problem....

these rifles are not a problem.....they kill fewer people each year than knives, clubs and bare hands......so any desire to ban these weapons is not based in the facts, the truth or reality...but is simply based on undiagnosed mental health issues....

Heart attacks kill more people than anything.

So do you want to ignore all other causes of death too?

The argument makes no sense.

Mass shootings make great news.

It scares the sh!t out of people.

So they are scared sh!tless.

The issue is propaganda.

If everyone carried their own assault rifle with them everywhere, perhaps encased to look more concealed, then there would be even less deaths from mass killings. That would be my own solution.

But most people are too much of a klutz to handle guns anyway.

So most klutzes want to ban guns.

Heller v. DC protects handguns for the foreseeable future, or worst case until Hillary can stack the SCOTUS with more Ginsbergs.

Which will be the first thing she does after she is elected........and if she ever gets control of both the house and the Senate the Lawful Commerce in Arms act will be removed and their minions will begin suing the gun makers out of the country......

Too bad that the GOP let Trump hijack their Party.

They should have given their nomination to Kasich or Christie.

 

[2aguy]

While the AR-15 and AK-14 designs and their clones become more and more popular with gun enthusiasts and criminals, they also become more hated by non-gun owning peoples.

This is a reality that will come to a head sometime soon.

If Hillary gets a super majority in the Senate and control of the House she can pass another assault weapons ban like the last one that Bill passed. The GOP would only pass it with a sunset clause on it last time. It sunset during GW's presidency and the GOP by then would not renew it.

It would not be overturned by the SCOTUS because the 8 of them refused to hear a similar local ban recently and so they let the local ban stand.

And Hillary won't be stacking the Court with strict constructionists. She will try to stack it with judicial activists like Ginsberg, who was appointed by her hubby.

If McConnell can keep control of the Senate then he can prevent any new SCOTUS appointments and the Court will eventually trickle down (Reagan's favorite word) to 7 -- and then as long as Kennedy stays on the Court it will be a balanced court between strict constructionist and judicial activists with Kennedy being the swing voter.

Those are the current gun politics in the USA.

As to who is right and who is wrong, that is strictly an exercise is mud throwing and name calling.

No...it isn't mud throwing or name calling...there is the 2nd Amendment and actual facts on top of that...that isn't name calling or mud throwing....that the anti gunners refuse to understand the 2nd Amendment, and don't care about the facts surrounding rifles in this country is the problem....

these rifles are not a problem.....they kill fewer people each year than knives, clubs and bare hands......so any desire to ban these weapons is not based in the facts, the truth or reality...but is simply based on undiagnosed mental health issues....

Heart attacks kill more people than anything.

So do you want to ignore all other causes of death too?

The argument makes no sense.

Mass shootings make great news.

It scares the sh!t out of people.

So they are scared sh!tless.

The issue is propaganda.

If everyone carried their own assault rifle with them everywhere, perhaps encased to look more concealed, then there would be even less deaths from mass killings. That would be my own solution.

But most people are too much of a klutz to handle guns anyway.

So most klutzes want to ban guns.

Heller v. DC protects handguns for the foreseeable future, or worst case until Hillary can stack the SCOTUS with more Ginsbergs.

But most people are too much of a klutz to handle guns anyway.


I guess you can add that to the list......this is another point you and the anti gunners get wrong....gun owners use guns at least 1,500,000 times a year according to bill clinton's Department of Justice study on defensive gun use.........so no....the majority of people are not klutzes.......you should read the actual stories of gun self defense....

 

[2aguy]

While the AR-15 and AK-14 designs and their clones become more and more popular with gun enthusiasts and criminals, they also become more hated by non-gun owning peoples.

This is a reality that will come to a head sometime soon.

If Hillary gets a super majority in the Senate and control of the House she can pass another assault weapons ban like the last one that Bill passed. The GOP would only pass it with a sunset clause on it last time. It sunset during GW's presidency and the GOP by then would not renew it.

It would not be overturned by the SCOTUS because the 8 of them refused to hear a similar local ban recently and so they let the local ban stand.

And Hillary won't be stacking the Court with strict constructionists. She will try to stack it with judicial activists like Ginsberg, who was appointed by her hubby.

If McConnell can keep control of the Senate then he can prevent any new SCOTUS appointments and the Court will eventually trickle down (Reagan's favorite word) to 7 -- and then as long as Kennedy stays on the Court it will be a balanced court between strict constructionist and judicial activists with Kennedy being the swing voter.

Those are the current gun politics in the USA.

As to who is right and who is wrong, that is strictly an exercise is mud throwing and name calling.

No...it isn't mud throwing or name calling...there is the 2nd Amendment and actual facts on top of that...that isn't name calling or mud throwing....that the anti gunners refuse to understand the 2nd Amendment, and don't care about the facts surrounding rifles in this country is the problem....

these rifles are not a problem.....they kill fewer people each year than knives, clubs and bare hands......so any desire to ban these weapons is not based in the facts, the truth or reality...but is simply based on undiagnosed mental health issues....

Heart attacks kill more people than anything.

So do you want to ignore all other causes of death too?

The argument makes no sense.

Mass shootings make great news.

It scares the sh!t out of people.

So they are scared sh!tless.

The issue is propaganda.

If everyone carried their own assault rifle with them everywhere, perhaps encased to look more concealed, then there would be even less deaths from mass killings. That would be my own solution.

But most people are too much of a klutz to handle guns anyway.

So most klutzes want to ban guns.

Heller v. DC protects handguns for the foreseeable future, or worst case until Hillary can stack the SCOTUS with more Ginsbergs.

Which will be the first thing she does after she is elected........and if she ever gets control of both the house and the Senate the Lawful Commerce in Arms act will be removed and their minions will begin suing the gun makers out of the country......

Too bad that the GOP let Trump hijack their Party.

They should have given their nomination to Kasich or Christie.

And both of them would have already been finished off by the clinton's......Trump is the only one who stands a chance against the press, hollywood, academia and the other clinton minions.....

 

[2aguy]

Over and over we have seen what gun bans have done. None have prevented violence. This is an assault on our Constitution. And Hillary means business. She is going to pick right up where Obama left off.
Stand up for American this time. Vote Trump.

Please leave BHO alone.

He did not do anything about guns or gun ammo.

Hillary is with Bill on the assault weapons ban thing. It is a family value of theirs.

They just don't like AK's and AR's or their clones.

obama has been doing things like this......

BREAKING: Obama Issues Executive Order That May Drive Gunsmiths Out of Business - The Truth About Guns

Last Friday President Obama issued one such order which changed the definition of a “manufacturer” under the ITAR treaty regulations, a change which now means anyone who so much as threads a barrel on a firearm needs to pay thousands more dollars in fees and is subject to further registration. From the NRA:

By way of background, the AECA and ITAR concern rules by which military materiel is exported from, and imported to, the United States. The so-called “defense articles” governed by the AECA/ITAR are compiled in what is known as the U.S. Munitions List and include some, but not all, firearms and ammunition, as well as their parts and components.

Thus, for purposes of the regime, a spring or floorplate from the magazine of a controlled firearm is subject to the same regulatory framework as the firearm itself.

The AECA/ITAR require anybody who engages in the business of “manufacturing” a defense article to register with DDTC and pay a registration fee that for new applicants is currently $2,250 per year. These requirements apply, even if the business does not, and does not intend to, export any defense article.

Moreover, under ITAR, “only one occasion of manufacturing … a defense article” is necessary for a commercial entity to be considered “engaged in the business” and therefore subject to the regime’s requirements.

The issue is the definition of “manufacturer.” Previously, only machine shops who actually produce a firearm from scratch were required to register as a “manufacturer.” Local gun shops with a shade-tree gunsmith happily threading barrels and trueing up receivers were exempt, since they didn’t actually make anything new.

This new interpretation of the ITAR regulations has changed all that, and anyone who so much as threads a barrel now must further register with the Federal government as a “manufacturer” and pay an additional $2,250 in registration fees. That might not seem like a lot to a big shop, but for the small mom-and-pop gunsmiths this could be enough to put them out of business.

$2250 is no big deal. Just raise your prices to cover the cost.

Yeah.......tell that to those businesses.........

 

[oldsoul]

Over and over we have seen what gun bans have done. None have prevented violence. This is an assault on our Constitution. And Hillary means business. She is going to pick right up where Obama left off.
Stand up for American this time. Vote Trump.

Please leave BHO alone.

He did not do anything about guns or gun ammo.

Hillary is with Bill on the assault weapons ban thing. It is a family value of theirs.

They just don't like AK's and AR's or their clones.

obama has been doing things like this......

BREAKING: Obama Issues Executive Order That May Drive Gunsmiths Out of Business - The Truth About Guns

Last Friday President Obama issued one such order which changed the definition of a “manufacturer” under the ITAR treaty regulations, a change which now means anyone who so much as threads a barrel on a firearm needs to pay thousands more dollars in fees and is subject to further registration. From the NRA:

By way of background, the AECA and ITAR concern rules by which military materiel is exported from, and imported to, the United States. The so-called “defense articles” governed by the AECA/ITAR are compiled in what is known as the U.S. Munitions List and include some, but not all, firearms and ammunition, as well as their parts and components.

Thus, for purposes of the regime, a spring or floorplate from the magazine of a controlled firearm is subject to the same regulatory framework as the firearm itself.

The AECA/ITAR require anybody who engages in the business of “manufacturing” a defense article to register with DDTC and pay a registration fee that for new applicants is currently $2,250 per year. These requirements apply, even if the business does not, and does not intend to, export any defense article.

Moreover, under ITAR, “only one occasion of manufacturing … a defense article” is necessary for a commercial entity to be considered “engaged in the business” and therefore subject to the regime’s requirements.

The issue is the definition of “manufacturer.” Previously, only machine shops who actually produce a firearm from scratch were required to register as a “manufacturer.” Local gun shops with a shade-tree gunsmith happily threading barrels and trueing up receivers were exempt, since they didn’t actually make anything new.

This new interpretation of the ITAR regulations has changed all that, and anyone who so much as threads a barrel now must further register with the Federal government as a “manufacturer” and pay an additional $2,250 in registration fees. That might not seem like a lot to a big shop, but for the small mom-and-pop gunsmiths this could be enough to put them out of business.

$2250 is no big deal. Just raise your prices to cover the cost.

Yeah.......tell that to those businesses.........

And their customers...

 

[The Irish Ram]

Over and over we have seen what gun bans have done. None have prevented violence. This is an assault on our Constitution. And Hillary means business. She is going to pick right up where Obama left off.
Stand up for American this time. Vote Trump.

Please leave BHO alone.

He did not do anything about guns or gun ammo.

Hillary is with Bill on the assault weapons ban thing. It is a family value of theirs.

They just don't like AK's and AR's or their clones.

obama has been doing things like this......

BREAKING: Obama Issues Executive Order That May Drive Gunsmiths Out of Business - The Truth About Guns

Last Friday President Obama issued one such order which changed the definition of a “manufacturer” under the ITAR treaty regulations, a change which now means anyone who so much as threads a barrel on a firearm needs to pay thousands more dollars in fees and is subject to further registration. From the NRA:

By way of background, the AECA and ITAR concern rules by which military materiel is exported from, and imported to, the United States. The so-called “defense articles” governed by the AECA/ITAR are compiled in what is known as the U.S. Munitions List and include some, but not all, firearms and ammunition, as well as their parts and components.

Thus, for purposes of the regime, a spring or floorplate from the magazine of a controlled firearm is subject to the same regulatory framework as the firearm itself.

The AECA/ITAR require anybody who engages in the business of “manufacturing” a defense article to register with DDTC and pay a registration fee that for new applicants is currently $2,250 per year. These requirements apply, even if the business does not, and does not intend to, export any defense article.

Moreover, under ITAR, “only one occasion of manufacturing … a defense article” is necessary for a commercial entity to be considered “engaged in the business” and therefore subject to the regime’s requirements.

The issue is the definition of “manufacturer.” Previously, only machine shops who actually produce a firearm from scratch were required to register as a “manufacturer.” Local gun shops with a shade-tree gunsmith happily threading barrels and trueing up receivers were exempt, since they didn’t actually make anything new.

This new interpretation of the ITAR regulations has changed all that, and anyone who so much as threads a barrel now must further register with the Federal government as a “manufacturer” and pay an additional $2,250 in registration fees. That might not seem like a lot to a big shop, but for the small mom-and-pop gunsmiths this could be enough to put them out of business.

$2250 is no big deal. Just raise your prices to cover the cost.

Over an over and over? We have had enough of raising prices to cover Obama's agenda. Ammo prices are already out of control. Enough. I'm tired of the Democrats punishing us because they don't like the rights that we have.

 

[GaryDog]

Over and over we have seen what gun bans have done. None have prevented violence. This is an assault on our Constitution. And Hillary means business. She is going to pick right up where Obama left off.
Stand up for American this time. Vote Trump.

tell Australia that.