How long will it take for the Economy to recover from Obamanomics?

[Article 15]

I vote 10 years. Its about how long it took bush1 and clinton to erase reaganomics

Explain Reaganomics. Provide links. Bet you can't.

PS. I thought all politicians are corrupt? Reagan is the exception? How come Obama can't be too?

Judging by your post you are a very simple minded person so I will explain both Reaganomics AND Obamanomics in basic simplistic ways.

Reganomics: Cut taxes, cut social spending programs, and increase defence spending creating annoying but managable (clinton proved it was manageable by eliminating it) national debt

Obamanomics: Leave taxes basically unchanged, increase social spending programs, create corporate welfare programs, cut national defense spending, cut taxes on foreign nations who own property in the US, increase energy taxes on all americans, and create the largest National debt as a percentage of GDP we have ever seen effectiviely commiting economic suicide.

Oh wait you need links....are you sure you can handle links? I'll tell you what...show me you are truly interested and not just being a douchenheimer and I will take the time and effort to get you some viable links on both subjects.

And by truly interested I mean you provide me with a link or two backing up some of your previous statements and I'll get you a link for each statement i just made.

"douchenheimer"

 

[Centrism'sVoice]

I vote 10 years. Its about how long it took bush1 and clinton to erase reaganomics

Explain Reaganomics. Provide links. Bet you can't.

PS. I thought all politicians are corrupt? Reagan is the exception? How come Obama can't be too?

Judging by your post you are a very simple minded person so I will explain both Reaganomics AND Obamanomics in basic simplistic ways.

Reganomics: Cut taxes, cut social spending programs, and increase defence spending creating annoying but managable (clinton proved it was manageable by eliminating it) national debt

Obamanomics: Leave taxes basically unchanged, increase social spending programs, create corporate welfare programs, cut national defense spending, cut taxes on foreign nations who own property in the US, increase energy taxes on all americans, and create the largest National debt as a percentage of GDP we have ever seen effectiviely commiting economic suicide.

Oh wait you need links....are you sure you can handle links? I'll tell you what...show me you are truly interested and not just being a douchenheimer and I will take the time and effort to get you some viable links on both subjects.

And by truly interested I mean you provide me with a valid link or two backing up some of your previous statements and I'll get you a link for each statement i just made.

Do you honestly believe that Reagan created a "manageable" debt?
(Much less that Obama is for some reason hell-bent on increasing the debt way beyond its already disastrous levels?)

If so, I'd strongly recommend that you take a few minutes to study the following chart.

 

[xsited1]

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Do you honestly believe that Reagan created a "manageable" debt?
(Much less that Obama is for some reason hell-bent on increasing the debt way beyond its already disastrous levels?)

If so, I'd strongly recommend that you take a few minutes to study the following chart.

That chart is useless since Congress controls spending.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Do you honestly believe that Reagan created a "manageable" debt?
(Much less that Obama is for some reason hell-bent on increasing the debt way beyond its already disastrous levels?)

If so, I'd strongly recommend that you take a few minutes to study the following chart.

See in your chart where President Bill Clinton was able to pay down the debt he inherited and do so by raising taxes in places that didn't destroy the economy while curbing some excessive spending on welfare and other programs? You do see that in your chart right? EDIT: Bush1/Reagan debt

So that means that while Reagan did make a ridiculous debt (for any republican to defecit spend is hypocritical and for any politician to defecit spend OUR money is down right treasonous)

I'd pass your own recommendation right back at ya....geeze some people are

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

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Do you honestly believe that Reagan created a "manageable" debt?
(Much less that Obama is for some reason hell-bent on increasing the debt way beyond its already disastrous levels?)

If so, I'd strongly recommend that you take a few minutes to study the following chart.

That chart is useless since Congress controls spending.

But the president can veto spending bills unless congress has a big majority .

 

[Centrism'sVoice]

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Do you honestly believe that Reagan created a "manageable" debt?
(Much less that Obama is for some reason hell-bent on increasing the debt way beyond its already disastrous levels?)

If so, I'd strongly recommend that you take a few minutes to study the following chart.

That chart is useless since Congress controls spending.

Also wrong. (Edit: about the useless accusation)

Only half the Congress was Democratic during Reagan's first 6 years in office, when the entire National Debt more than doubled. The Senate, had a Republican majority during those six years. Bush II was in much the same situation.

Apparently you also don't seem to know that any bill passing out of Congress has to be approved by BOTH Houses. The correlation is fairly strong.

 

[Centrism'sVoice]

Do you honestly believe that Reagan created a "manageable" debt?
(Much less that Obama is for some reason hell-bent on increasing the debt way beyond its already disastrous levels?)

If so, I'd strongly recommend that you take a few minutes to study the following chart.

See in your chart where President Bill Clinton was able to pay down the debt he inherited and do so by raising taxes in places that didn't destroy the economy while curbing some excessive spending on welfare and other programs? You do see that in your chart right? EDIT: Bush1/Reagan debt

Technically, Clinton didn't eliminate the debt as you originally claimed, although I will concede that he came close.

But then again, there was a huge economic boom during his administration, which invariably leads many Republicans to shout that Clinton "can't take credit" for paying down the debt.

So that means that while Reagan did make a ridiculous debt (for any republican to defecit spend is hypocritical and for any politician to defecit spend OUR money is down right treasonous)

I'd pass your own recommendation right back at ya....

Noted. Kindly let me know if you spot anything else.

 

[wimpy77]

Do you honestly believe that Reagan created a "manageable" debt?
(Much less that Obama is for some reason hell-bent on increasing the debt way beyond its already disastrous levels?)

If so, I'd strongly recommend that you take a few minutes to study the following chart.

See in your chart where President Bill Clinton was able to pay down the debt he inherited and do so by raising taxes in places that didn't destroy the economy while curbing some excessive spending on welfare and other programs? You do see that in your chart right? EDIT: Bush1/Reagan debt

Technically, Clinton didn't eliminate the debt as you originally claimed, although I will concede that he came close.

But then again, there was a huge economic boom during his administration, which invariably leads many Republicans to shout that Clinton "can't take credit" for paying down the debt.

So that means that while Reagan did make a ridiculous debt (for any republican to defecit spend is hypocritical and for any politician to defecit spend OUR money is down right treasonous)

I'd pass your own recommendation right back at ya....

Noted. Kindly let me know if you spot anything else.

you are correct about the boom in the economy during the 90's. computers were becoming more affordable, the internet even though in its infancy was catching hold and cells for as we now them were starting to catch on.

 

[Centrism'sVoice]

You are correct about the boom in the economy during the 90's. computers were becoming more affordable, the internet even though in its infancy was catching hold and cells for as we now them were starting to catch on.

You probably mean: "...the WEB, even though in its infancy, was catching on..." Strictly speaking, the Internet had been around since the 1960s.

Sorry, but as a techie-geek-purist I had to get that in. Carry on...

 

[sparky]

how long?

as long as this sh*t keeps up........

 

[Centrism'sVoice]

how long?

as long as this sh*t keeps up........

Don't look now, but you just made a good case for a 10X tax increase on the top 1% of households!

 

[sparky]

not probable given the world's hidey holes for their largess, the populances gulability, and the fact that they basically own our legislature Mr Centrist....

 

[Centrism'sVoice]

not probable given the world's hidey holes for their largess, the populances gulability, and the fact that they basically own our legislature Mr Centrist....

Whether it will actually happen is a totally separate question, very true.

 

[SwingVoter]

How is Obama any different from Bush? Lots of spending proposals, little indication of how to pay for any of it.

 

[SwingVoter]

That chart is useless since Congress controls spending.

But Presidents veto and propose it. Bush barely vetoed any spending bills and proposed the socialist Medicare drug plan all while he had a GOP legislature. Reagan at least got overridden by Tip O'Neill and a Dem majority.

 

[editec]

The exitence of our nation has always been at stake. And since BOTH parties seem intent on turning us into a third world shithole, my question remains why Obama is singled out as the author of this problem which has been brewing for the last 40 years.




Generalizations about what conservatives and Democrats have been doing still indicate to me that your basic position is partisan.



Yes, I did.

Of course I'm part of the problem since I like so many of us keep having to choose between voting D or R or not voting at all.

And are you faulting yourself for having voted for Bush II twice?

I'm guessing you haven't.

I'm guessing that you were sanguine while Bush II was setting up this nation to go bankrupt because you didn't think, for example, that giving tax breaks to billionaires wasn't a bad idea, and didn't mind that we invided Iraq and kept the cost of that war "off budget" either.

Am I wrong?

The right wingers who say all politicians are corrupt want to have it both ways. They want to suggest Dems are no better but then from the other side of their mouth want to subtally suggest that the GOP is better.

Remember this. The same way they/you mock me for assuming the Dems are better, at least flip it on these right wing assholes and ask them if they think the GOP is any better than Obama, and have them explain how.

I don't have to flip it unto the Republican Partisans, Sealy.

I know perfectly well most of them are willingly blinding themselves to the flawed thinking of partisanship.

You, on the other hand, I still have hope for.

So I come down hard on you when you go into Democratic la la land because I suspect you're going to eventually realize that the Dem leadership is no more to be trusted than the Rs leadership.

I'll remind you once again that what you and I BOTH understand is the dumbest ******* policy any nation ever came up with ---FREE TRADE -- is completely supported by the DEMCORATIC PARTY LEADERSHIP.

LIKEWISE, the DEMS are all over allowing millions of illegal immigrants into this nation to keep YOUR WAGES DOWN.

 

[sealybobo]

It's going to be a long slow process recovering from Bushanomics, but we are already in route. Can't expect to get there overnight.

 

[editec]

It's going to be a long slow process recovering from Bushanomics, but we are already in route. Can't expect to get there overnight.

Especially given that we're not trying to change the direction into which we've been headed for the last 40 years.

 

[xsited1]

It's going to be a long slow process recovering from Bushanomics, but we are already in route. Can't expect to get there overnight.

Especially considering that Obamanomics include Bushanomics.

 

[sealybobo]

The right wingers who say all politicians are corrupt want to have it both ways. They want to suggest Dems are no better but then from the other side of their mouth want to subtally suggest that the GOP is better.

Remember this. The same way they/you mock me for assuming the Dems are better, at least flip it on these right wing assholes and ask them if they think the GOP is any better than Obama, and have them explain how.

I don't have to flip it unto the Republican Partisans, Sealy.

I know perfectly well most of them are willingly blinding themselves to the flawed thinking of partisanship.

You, on the other hand, I still have hope for.

So I come down hard on you when you go into Democratic la la land because I suspect you're going to eventually realize that the Dem leadership is no more to be trusted than the Rs leadership.

I'll remind you once again that what you and I BOTH understand is the dumbest ******* policy any nation ever came up with ---FREE TRADE -- is completely supported by the DEMCORATIC PARTY LEADERSHIP.

LIKEWISE, the DEMS are all over allowing millions of illegal immigrants into this nation to keep YOUR WAGES DOWN.

Free trade doesn't have to be bad, does it? With some protections of course, just like every other country has for their workers/economy.

If we don't participate and the rest of the world does, then we get left out and that can't be good. I don't think we could avoid free trade.

But everytime we even talk about fixing what is wrong with they system, I notice the GOP screams foul and they talk about how other countries will sue us if we make any changes. Right now Michigan takes on Canada's trash and we can't get out of the contract. How fucked up is that?

So whoever wrote NAFTA/CAFTA wrote it so it would be hard to fix.

And I noticed Obama did say he would try to fix NAFTA. But Hillary used that against him in the campaign, so I also notice that yes, the Dems are not being completely honest and up front about NAFTA either, yes.

Bottom line is that unless Americans demand that we kick the illegals out and unless we demand that they fix nafta, neither party will. The Dems that want to won't be able to and the GOP don't want to PERIOD.

Notice how righties actually like free trade but use it against Bill Clinton when they cry that he signed it into law? I thought he was a socialist?