How long will it take for the Economy to recover from Obamanomics?

[sealybobo]

And that's the question. That's why I included 'Never' in the poll.

BTW, I used to call Obama "Bush-III" since he's just cotinuing the same mistakes Bush made. However, he's gone WAY beyond that. Now the existence of our country is at stake.

One more thing: this IS a partisan issue. Conservatives have been smart enough to distance themselves from the Neoconservatives, but most of the Democrats still cozy up to the Marxist Liberals like Obama, Reid and Pelosi. Now that the Left-wing wackos have control of our government, there's little anyone can do. And they were all put in power by gullible dimwits who thought 'hope' and 'change' was somehow a great idea.

Did you vote for Obama? If so, you're part of the problem. If not, good for you.

Make up your mind. Is Obama just like Bush or is he a Socialist? Seems you attack him from both angles.

...

It's a simple Yes/No question. It looks like your answer is "Yes" and you have some major buyer's remorse. No amount of insults in my direction will change that fact. You'll just have to deal with it on your own. You might even need professional help.

If true, you can't possibly suggest voting GOP because they aren't even ashamed of the fact that the corporations own them.

 

[xsited1]

Huh? No I didn't read your last post. You started the thread and that's all I need to know to determine you are a ******* idiot.


Read Shogun's reply for my response.

Nice insults, but it won't work. We essentially said the same thing. So whether you like it or not, we both agree on this issue:

... the reality is that he (Obama) is a sellout just like Bush.

So the rich own/run this country?

Crony Capitalism: A description of capitalist society as being based on the close relationships between businessmen and the state. Instead of success being determined by a free market and the rule of law, the success of a business is dependent on the favoritism that is shown to it by the ruling government in the form of tax breaks, government grants and other incentives.

The Federal Reserve, the politicians and certain key corporations control America.

 

[xsited1]

Make up your mind. Is Obama just like Bush or is he a Socialist? Seems you attack him from both angles.

...

It's a simple Yes/No question. It looks like your answer is "Yes" and you have some major buyer's remorse. No amount of insults in my direction will change that fact. You'll just have to deal with it on your own. You might even need professional help.

If true, you can't possibly suggest voting GOP because they aren't even ashamed of the fact that the corporations own them.

Somehow you believe that the Democrats and the Republicans are different in a significant way. And somehow you believe that by voting for Obama, you would get the 'hope and change' you expected. Read my sig-line. You've been duped.

 

[sealybobo]

Nice insults, but it won't work. We essentially said the same thing. So whether you like it or not, we both agree on this issue:

... the reality is that he (Obama) is a sellout just like Bush.

So the rich own/run this country?

Crony Capitalism: A description of capitalist society as being based on the close relationships between businessmen and the state. Instead of success being determined by a free market and the rule of law, the success of a business is dependent on the favoritism that is shown to it by the ruling government in the form of tax breaks, government grants and other incentives.

The Federal Reserve, the politicians and certain key corporations control America.

You are right. We agree more than I think. And, I read some past posts of yours and it seems like you are consistent. BUT, you also lean to the right, so I just want to keep reminding you that whatever the Dems can't do, the GOP WON'T do.

In other words, the Dems might not have the votes to reform healthcare, but they are just shy of having the votes by 10. The GOP overwhelmingly are not in support of healthcare reform, or bringing jobs back home, or protecting American labor, etc.

So if 25% of the Dems are corrupt, 75% of the GOP are. And you might not consider it being corrupt. The GOP are just more pro corporations and not as pro labor as I would like and some people feel the Dems are not pro corporation enough and too pro labor. I care more about labor than I do corporate profits. The country does better when labor is doing better, and that benefits the corporations too. The right wants labor to take a hit so the corporations can make more profits. But they got you thinking that labor needs to take a hit or they can't compete. And they need tax breaks too or they can't compete. I say they can't compete with 3rd world wages no matter what.

And I suggest that it is the right wing voters more than it is the libs that enable the politicians to be corrupt. Look where all the corrupt dems are. They're in red states. They're blue dog democrats. Supposed "fiscally conservative" democrats.

Look at our agenda. Bring wages up, fix healthcare, stop pollution, etc. And look who sides with the corporations on every one of those issues.

So the Dems might not be great, but the GOP is worse.

The voteres

 

[sealybobo]

Nice insults, but it won't work. We essentially said the same thing. So whether you like it or not, we both agree on this issue:

... the reality is that he (Obama) is a sellout just like Bush.

So the rich own/run this country?

Crony Capitalism: A description of capitalist society as being based on the close relationships between businessmen and the state. Instead of success being determined by a free market and the rule of law, the success of a business is dependent on the favoritism that is shown to it by the ruling government in the form of tax breaks, government grants and other incentives.

The Federal Reserve, the politicians and certain key corporations control America.

You are right. We agree more than I think. And, I read some past posts of yours and it seems like you are consistent. BUT, you also lean to the right, so I just want to keep reminding you that whatever the Dems can't do, the GOP WON'T do.

In other words, the Dems might not have the votes to reform healthcare, but they are just shy of having the votes by 10. The GOP overwhelmingly are not in support of healthcare reform, or bringing jobs back home, or protecting American labor, etc.

So if 25% of the Dems are corrupt, 75% of the GOP are. And you might not consider it being corrupt. The GOP are just more pro corporations and not as pro labor as I would like and some people feel the Dems are not pro corporation enough and too pro labor. I care more about labor than I do corporate profits. The country does better when labor is doing better, and that benefits the corporations too. The right wants labor to take a hit so the corporations can make more profits. But they got you thinking that labor needs to take a hit or they can't compete. And they need tax breaks too or they can't compete. I say they can't compete with 3rd world wages no matter what.

And I suggest that it is the right wing voters more than it is the libs that enable the politicians to be corrupt. Look where all the corrupt dems are. They're in red states. They're blue dog democrats. Supposed "fiscally conservative" democrats.

Look at our agenda. Bring wages up, fix healthcare, stop pollution, etc. And look who sides with the corporations on every one of those issues.

So the Dems might not be great, but the GOP is worse.

 

[sealybobo]

It's a simple Yes/No question. It looks like your answer is "Yes" and you have some major buyer's remorse. No amount of insults in my direction will change that fact. You'll just have to deal with it on your own. You might even need professional help.

If true, you can't possibly suggest voting GOP because they aren't even ashamed of the fact that the corporations own them.

Somehow you believe that the Democrats and the Republicans are different in a significant way. And somehow you believe that by voting for Obama, you would get the 'hope and change' you expected. Read my sig-line. You've been duped.

Yes and no. No way Obama is going to take on the corporations like I would want him to, but yes he and the Dems are better for middle class Americans, because us Democrats have a better agenda and every once in awhile they have to throw us a bone or they will lose the next election.

The GOP don't have to do anything for us and they don't lose support from their constituents, because we aren't their constituents.

But, if more of YOU would join us in demanding that they fix nafta so it isn't ******* american labor, then maybe somethign would get done. But instead you defend NAFTA even if it is unfair because you want to help the corporations regardless of what happens to American labor, as if you are immune.

And if you would insist that your politicians in your states stop blocking healthcare reform, maybe they would stop obstructing.


But remember giving the telecoms retroactive immunity? That proved you right. The telecoms paid the Dems off to give them immunity for breaking laws. So the telecoms own the dems too. And healthcare has paid off enough Dems to stop any real fixes to our healthcare mess.

But I also find it funny that some righties attack the dems for being "no different" and if that doesn't work, call them socialists.

Let me ask you something. Are Republicans also socialist? I say they are. Only they don't socialize the profits. They only socialize the losses, which is even worse. But what do you think? Is there no difference between the two parties as far as socialism goes? If you say there is, have you been duped? I can't wait to hear your reply.

 

[Annie]

True, but they used the economic "crisis" fears to pump extra into their own pet projects, and because of the paranoia people let them.

This also has been going on before Obama and Bush, LONNNNNNGGGGG before them.

Never to the degree he's doing it, Bush didn't come close.

Save the banks (Bush and Obama) For now seems to be working
Stimulate the economy (Obama) Is not working
Cap & Trade (Obama) Is going to cost jobs and increased cost of living-2 ways to hurt the economy
Push for Value Added Tax (Obama) Will increase cost of living
Push for Health Care coverage (Obama) Will increase costs and lower health care

It's been over an hour, yet with all the bobo posts, nothing about what's already been done and no defense either.

Let's add:

increasing minimum wage (Obama) Will increase costs on small businesses, reducing number of businesses and employment

Card check (Obama) will lead to increased lack of freedoms, more unemployment, perhaps fewer businesses.

 

[editec]

Wrong question.

How long before we wake up and change our economic formula?

If you're partisan enough to think this mess is all about Obama, Xisted, you're missing forest for the trees

And that's the question. That's why I included 'Never' in the poll.

BTW, I used to call Obama "Bush-III" since he's just cotinuing the same mistakes Bush made. However, he's gone WAY beyond that. Now the existence of our country is at stake.

The exitence of our nation has always been at stake. And since BOTH parties seem intent on turning us into a third world shithole, my question remains why Obama is singled out as the author of this problem which has been brewing for the last 40 years.

One more thing: this IS a partisan issue. Conservatives have been smart enough to distance themselves from the Neoconservatives, but most of the Democrats still cozy up to the Marxist Liberals like Obama, Reid and Pelosi. Now that the Left-wing wackos have control of our government, there's little anyone can do. And they were all put in power by gullible dimwits who thought 'hope' and 'change' was somehow a great idea.

Generalizations about what conservatives and Democrats have been doing still indicate to me that your basic position is partisan.

Did you vote for Obama? If so, you're part of the problem. If not, good for you.

Yes, I did.

Of course I'm part of the problem since I like so many of us keep having to choose between voting D or R or not voting at all.

And are you faulting yourself for having voted for Bush II twice?

I'm guessing you haven't.

I'm guessing that you were sanguine while Bush II was setting up this nation to go bankrupt because you didn't think, for example, that giving tax breaks to billionaires wasn't a bad idea, and didn't mind that we invided Iraq and kept the cost of that war "off budget" either.

Am I wrong?

 

[Metternich]

But, if more of YOU would join us in demanding that they fix nafta so it isn't ******* american labor, then maybe somethign would get done. But instead you defend NAFTA even if it is unfair because you want to help the corporations regardless of what happens to American labor, as if you are immune.

As a middle-class American, I can say with full conviction that if I had to pay 'American price' on all my goods: I would not be middle-class for long.

It is not for the corporations that free trade helps, they have the economy of scale to make profit insofar as tariffs stay below a literally "punishing" rate. It is only me and you who get shafted on high tariffs, never big business: if you believe otherwise, then I suggest you re-read your Econ books, history books 'n' wonder how you've been dupped so heavily.

And if you would insist that your politicians in your states stop blocking healthcare reform, maybe they would stop obstructing.

Health-care reform? Nah, I'm good: thanks.

You read about beatiful Massachusetts? No, but thank you, I don't want that in my state.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

I vote 10 years. Its about how long it took bush1 and clinton to erase reaganomics

 

[sealybobo]

This also has been going on before Obama and Bush, LONNNNNNGGGGG before them.

Never to the degree he's doing it, Bush didn't come close.

Save the banks (Bush and Obama) For now seems to be working
Stimulate the economy (Obama) Is not working
Cap & Trade (Obama) Is going to cost jobs and increased cost of living-2 ways to hurt the economy
Push for Value Added Tax (Obama) Will increase cost of living
Push for Health Care coverage (Obama) Will increase costs and lower health care

It's been over an hour, yet with all the bobo posts, nothing about what's already been done and no defense either.

Let's add:

increasing minimum wage (Obama) Will increase costs on small businesses, reducing number of businesses and employment

Card check (Obama) will lead to increased lack of freedoms, more unemployment, perhaps fewer businesses.

The only way Obama loses in 2012 is if he:

a. Doesn't do enough for labor/unions. (GOP shit on labor/unions)

b. Doesn't fix healthcare. (The GOP love healthcare the way it is now)

c. Doesn't do enough for gays (GOP hate gays)

And the GOP are attacking the Dems hard for their spending and to be honest, the Dems are not fighting back enough. They need to explain the difference between their spending (infrastructure inside America) and the GOP spending which only benefitted the few.

I think the media is purposely focused on Palin because honestly, she doesn't stand a chance of being the next president. But they aren't talking about what really matters, because they don't really want people informed.

They'd rather let the corporate media tea bag the Dems.

And I will repeat over and over, isn't it amazing they talk about the Dems spending billions but ignore the Federal Reserve spending $9 trillion in the last 8 months?

Anyways, people need to realize if the Dems suck, the GOP sucks even worse.

And for those who disagree, how ******* dare you when you always say that all politicians are corrupt. Now you want to say there's a difference? Then you want it both ways.

 

[sealybobo]

I vote 10 years. Its about how long it took bush1 and clinton to erase reaganomics

Explain Reaganomics. Provide links. Bet you can't.

PS. I thought all politicians are corrupt? Reagan is the exception? How come Obama can't be too?

 

[sealybobo]

But, if more of YOU would join us in demanding that they fix nafta so it isn't ******* american labor, then maybe somethign would get done. But instead you defend NAFTA even if it is unfair because you want to help the corporations regardless of what happens to American labor, as if you are immune.

As a middle-class American, I can say with full conviction that if I had to pay 'American price' on all my goods: I would not be middle-class for long.

It is not for the corporations that free trade helps, they have the economy of scale to make profit insofar as tariffs stay below a literally "punishing" rate. It is only me and you who get shafted on high tariffs, never big business: if you believe otherwise, then I suggest you re-read your Econ books, history books 'n' wonder how you've been dupped so heavily.

And if you would insist that your politicians in your states stop blocking healthcare reform, maybe they would stop obstructing.

Health-care reform? Nah, I'm good: thanks.

You read about beatiful Massachusetts? No, but thank you, I don't want that in my state.

Really? What products do you absolutely have to have that would put you in the poor house if you had to buy American made? VCR's? TV's? None of them are necessities. If they price them too high, you would just not buy them. So then the companies would be forced to lower their prices. And don't say they'll cut employees, because you know they only hire as many people as they need to get the job done. They lay off the rest, unless they are in unions of course. So maybe the CEO just wouldn't make $20 million this year. Maybe he/she would only make $10 million or $5 million.

And it is funny you worry that tariffs are going to take you out of the middle class when the exact opposite is true.

If free markets stay in control of healthcare costs, in 5-10 years, you will not be middle class either. And if gas goes to $4 a gallon, that'll take you out of the middle class.

You need healthcare and gas.

But the VCR that you don't need, trust me, if it were American made and cost $100 more, you could afford it. Don't act like you are 100% frugal with your money. Like every other American, you piss a lot away. And wasn't it you right wingers who suggested that we spend too much anyways? My how you guys love to talk out of both sides of your mouths.

And if they fixed NAFTA and if unions had more power, your wages would go up.

How many people that want a boat and think they can get one for $10K don't buy the boat when it turns out to be $15K more? None of them. They buy the boat and just make it a 5 year loan instead of 4.

ALSO, I think it is sooooo funny that you would suggest that tariffs will take you out of the ******* middle class when NAFTA has taken millions of Americans out of the middle class.

Since Bush has been president:

over 5 million people have slipped into poverty;
nearly 7 million Americans have lost their health insurance;
median household income has gone down by nearly $1,300;
three million manufacturing jobs have been lost;
three million American workers have lost their pensions;
home foreclosures are now the highest on record;
the personal savings rate is below zero - which hasn't happened since the great depression;
the real earnings of college graduates have gone down by about 5% in the last few years;
entry level wages for male and female high school graduates have fallen by over 3%;
wages and salaries are now at the lowest share of GDP since 1929.


( I got this info from August 07, on BUSH's watch) so why did you not worry then but now you are worried about slipping out of the middle class? I don't think you are smart or sincere.

 

[sealybobo]

Wrong question.

How long before we wake up and change our economic formula?

If you're partisan enough to think this mess is all about Obama, Xisted, you're missing forest for the trees

The exitence of our nation has always been at stake. And since BOTH parties seem intent on turning us into a third world shithole, my question remains why Obama is singled out as the author of this problem which has been brewing for the last 40 years.




Generalizations about what conservatives and Democrats have been doing still indicate to me that your basic position is partisan.

Did you vote for Obama? If so, you're part of the problem. If not, good for you.

Yes, I did.

Of course I'm part of the problem since I like so many of us keep having to choose between voting D or R or not voting at all.

And are you faulting yourself for having voted for Bush II twice?

I'm guessing you haven't.

I'm guessing that you were sanguine while Bush II was setting up this nation to go bankrupt because you didn't think, for example, that giving tax breaks to billionaires wasn't a bad idea, and didn't mind that we invided Iraq and kept the cost of that war "off budget" either.

Am I wrong?

The right wingers who say all politicians are corrupt want to have it both ways. They want to suggest Dems are no better but then from the other side of their mouth want to subtally suggest that the GOP is better.

Remember this. The same way they/you mock me for assuming the Dems are better, at least flip it on these right wing assholes and ask them if they think the GOP is any better than Obama, and have them explain how.

 

[xsited1]

Wrong question.

How long before we wake up and change our economic formula?

If you're partisan enough to think this mess is all about Obama, Xisted, you're missing forest for the trees

The exitence of our nation has always been at stake. And since BOTH parties seem intent on turning us into a third world shithole, my question remains why Obama is singled out as the author of this problem which has been brewing for the last 40 years.

Because Obama and the Democrats are in charge and they are hell-bent on destroying the country.

Did you vote for Obama? If so, you're part of the problem. If not, good for you.

Yes, I did.

Of course I'm part of the problem since I like so many of us keep having to choose between voting D or R or not voting at all.

And are you faulting yourself for having voted for Bush II twice?

I'm guessing you haven't.

I'm guessing that you were sanguine while Bush II was setting up this nation to go bankrupt because you didn't think, for example, that giving tax breaks to billionaires wasn't a bad idea, and didn't mind that we invided Iraq and kept the cost of that war "off budget" either.

Am I wrong?

Yes, you are wrong. I didn't vote for Bush II and I was a vocal critic of his. That's why I call Obama Bush III. Not only is he making the same mistakes Bush made, but he's 3 times worse.

 

[Shogun]

yea dude.. Obama and his supporters SURE ARE hellbent on destroying the nation..


*yawn*

yea. thats the ticket.

 

[Annie]

yea dude.. Obama and his supporters SURE ARE hellbent on destroying the nation..


*yawn*

yea. thats the ticket.

I'd like to think not, but evidence is becoming overwhelming.

 

[xsited1]

So the rich own/run this country?

Crony Capitalism: A description of capitalist society as being based on the close relationships between businessmen and the state. Instead of success being determined by a free market and the rule of law, the success of a business is dependent on the favoritism that is shown to it by the ruling government in the form of tax breaks, government grants and other incentives.

The Federal Reserve, the politicians and certain key corporations control America.

You are right. We agree more than I think. And, I read some past posts of yours and it seems like you are consistent. BUT, you also lean to the right, so I just want to keep reminding you that whatever the Dems can't do, the GOP WON'T do.

In other words, the Dems might not have the votes to reform healthcare, but they are just shy of having the votes by 10. The GOP overwhelmingly are not in support of healthcare reform, or bringing jobs back home, or protecting American labor, etc.

So if 25% of the Dems are corrupt, 75% of the GOP are. And you might not consider it being corrupt. The GOP are just more pro corporations and not as pro labor as I would like and some people feel the Dems are not pro corporation enough and too pro labor. I care more about labor than I do corporate profits. The country does better when labor is doing better, and that benefits the corporations too. The right wants labor to take a hit so the corporations can make more profits. But they got you thinking that labor needs to take a hit or they can't compete. And they need tax breaks too or they can't compete. I say they can't compete with 3rd world wages no matter what.

And I suggest that it is the right wing voters more than it is the libs that enable the politicians to be corrupt. Look where all the corrupt dems are. They're in red states. They're blue dog democrats. Supposed "fiscally conservative" democrats.

Look at our agenda. Bring wages up, fix healthcare, stop pollution, etc. And look who sides with the corporations on every one of those issues.

So the Dems might not be great, but the GOP is worse.

The voteres

I lean Right? Uh, no. I lean conservative on some issues.

I'll give you this: The Dems are traitors and the GOP is useless.

 

[xsited1]

yea dude.. Obama and his supporters SURE ARE hellbent on destroying the nation..


*yawn*

yea. thats the ticket.

Glad we agree.

You may now go back to drinking your Kool-aid.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

I vote 10 years. Its about how long it took bush1 and clinton to erase reaganomics

Explain Reaganomics. Provide links. Bet you can't.

PS. I thought all politicians are corrupt? Reagan is the exception? How come Obama can't be too?

Judging by your post you are a very simple minded person so I will explain both Reaganomics AND Obamanomics in basic simplistic ways.

Reganomics: Cut taxes, cut social spending programs, and increase defence spending creating annoying but managable (clinton proved it was manageable by eliminating it) national debt

Obamanomics: Leave taxes basically unchanged, increase social spending programs, create corporate welfare programs, cut national defense spending, cut taxes on foreign nations who own property in the US, increase energy taxes on all americans, and create the largest National debt as a percentage of GDP we have ever seen effectiviely commiting economic suicide.

Oh wait you need links....are you sure you can handle links? I'll tell you what...show me you are truly interested and not just being a douchenheimer and I will take the time and effort to get you some viable links on both subjects.

And by truly interested I mean you provide me with a valid link or two backing up some of your previous statements and I'll get you a link for each statement i just made.