How Israel Used Its Own Civilians as Human Shields While Assaulting Gaza

[toastman]

How stupid does someone have to be to not understand that if you don't launch missiles at Israel or try to attack Israelis through tunnels, then Israel will not start an operation in Gaza?

Also, I don't normally criticize sources, but Global research is incredibly biased! Which is why I'm not surprised that a dumb piece of trash like you uses it.

You're so pathetic , it's not even funny!

You didn't even read what I posted, did you?

In every case, Israel was the one who started the shooting.

Or do you think when shot at, people should just sit there and take it?

BTW, GR is a non-aligned, non-partisan, Canadian website.

So you expect Israel to just sit there and take it????

 

[WillReadmore]

The ******* PALESTINIANS VOTED HAMAS into power.... They are now learning the outcome of their stupidity! ......

Listening to Aaron Klein Investigative Radio, he's stating that NOW MEDIA people that were in Palestine, and claiming Israel was to blame for attacks, are now RECANTING their stories, saying they were threatened by Hamas, and pointing out that missile sites were set up NEXT TO THEIR HOTEL OVER NIGHT and missiles were launched from there!....Don't believe me, go tomorrow to Klein's PODCAST and listen for yourselves! OR...

No, Gaza elected leaders who stated clearly (and still state clearly) that Israel has a right of permanent existence. Hamas has continuously stated that they will fully support any negotiated settlement negotiated by Abbas.

The initial acts of war came from Israel as they tightened the embargo to unliveable levels, prevented Gaza from fishing, exporting, travel, or buying food, medicine, electricity, fuel and building supplies. Netanyahu also specifically called for the bulldozing of Palestinian residences in West Bank. And, he confiscated the payroll of 50,000 workers in Gaza.

Netanyahu stated that these acts of war were his collective punishment of Palestinians for Hamas having acceded to the unity government that is headed by Abbas and has no seats for Hamas.

I WANT TO KNOW WHY.

Why did Netanyahu not see the unity government for what it is - Hamas giving up significant political power and influence, which is EXACTLY what we need Hamas to do.

Instead, Netanyhau has marginalized Abbas and promoted Hamas to being the key negotiators of the end of this war that HE started.

WHY???

 

[toastman]

No questions need to be asked before we all understand each side entirely, later on you can discuss about the events and turns.
That answer the first why..if I got it correctly you relate to the pre-operation assaults.
Hamas-Fatah Unified Government deserve to sit in jail or die for the past terrorist acts, the fact they decided to make pact just clearing any doubt about their-call it- 'goal' of eliminating Israel, any means necessary.
Out of 1800 fatalities only 700 were innocent only..1,100 terrorists 95% of them with weapon in hand, based on evidence gathered IDF made excellent work, and the unfortunate Gazans pay for their pride and arrogance while electing Hamas/Fatah in the past, and taking active/passive part with their 'noble goal'..

The unified government has no seats occupied by terrorists - specifically, there are no seats occupied by any Hamas member. The government is headed by Abbas, who has been a trusted partner with Israel on security in the West Bank.

A founding principle of that government is Israel's permanence - something Hamas agreed to when they acceded to this government.

Not only that, but the prime minister of Gaza who was elected in 2006 (and is Hamas) stated clearly that Israel has full rights of permanence. Gaza did NOT elect leadership that was working for Israel's removal. So, you are just plain wrong on that, too.

I want to know why Israel attacked Gaza. I want to know why they put in place draconian collective punishment against civilian citizens both in Gaza and in West Bank as a reaction to the unity government.

Don't give me your phony body count nonsense - I want to know why Israel attacked Gaza.

Simple; they attacked Gaza to destroy Hamas tunnels/rockets that they can find as well as killing as many Hamas terrorist scum.

 

[toastman]

No questions need to be asked before we all understand each side entirely, later on you can discuss about the events and turns.
That answer the first why..if I got it correctly you relate to the pre-operation assaults.
Hamas-Fatah Unified Government deserve to sit in jail or die for the past terrorist acts, the fact they decided to make pact just clearing any doubt about their-call it- 'goal' of eliminating Israel, any means necessary.
Out of 1800 fatalities only 700 were innocent only..1,100 terrorists 95% of them with weapon in hand, based on evidence gathered IDF made excellent work, and the unfortunate Gazans pay for their pride and arrogance while electing Hamas/Fatah in the past, and taking active/passive part with their 'noble goal'..

The unified government has no seats occupied by terrorists - specifically, there are no seats occupied by any Hamas member. The government is headed by Abbas, who has been a trusted partner with Israel on security in the West Bank.

A founding principle of that government is Israel's permanence - something Hamas agreed to when they acceded to this government.

Not only that, but the prime minister of Gaza who was elected in 2006 (and is Hamas) stated clearly that Israel has full rights of permanence. Gaza did NOT elect leadership that was working for Israel's removal. So, you are just plain wrong on that, too.

I want to know why Israel attacked Gaza. I want to know why they put in place draconian collective punishment against civilian citizens both in Gaza and in West Bank as a reaction to the unity government.

Don't give me your phony body count nonsense - I want to know why Israel attacked Gaza.

"Gaza did not elect leadership that was working for Israel's removal"




Gaza elected leadership who's charter calls for Israel's removal!

 

[WillReadmore]

1. True, the unity government led by Hamas and Fatah(Abbas) - which pays salaries to imprisoned terrorists in Israel, Abbas has zero western ideologies, the only difference between Hamas and Fatah is the negotiation with Israel or not, for achieving better position for the Palestinians to continue their bloodshed.
Abbas proved untrustworthy over the years with refusals and cold legs when it comes to negotiating, denying terrorists, or taking any kind of step for the sake of the Palestinians - the innocent part of them - the only thing he ever did was agree to sit for limited time negotiation after Israel released 350 terrorists, nothing more.

Absolutely false. Abbas has earned significant trust from Israel as shown by the level of security they depend on from him.

The salaries Netanyahu confiscated were for government workers who are now even more dependent on Hamas for the very survival of their families.

"Cold legs"??? Netanyahu signed the Bush "road map" and then refused to carry out the very acts his signature committed him to carry out.

Since then, Netanhayu has continued his program of ethnic cleansing in West Bank, stealing property, destroying homes, stealing water rights, preventing access to farming, denying travel to Gaza even for governmental purposes.

And, now Netanyahu has instigated new levels of collective punishment in their assault on Gaza that started this war.

 

[WillReadmore]

'Personal private property' illegally built in Israeli territory - but here is not the problem - the fact you say Netanyahu stated that is interesting because I don't remember such statement, the bulldozing of WB are for security measures or punishment for committing a crime, the fact Israel recaptured convicted terrorist released in the past is a legitimate law enforcement and it sure not a collective punishment as you present it.
'Ethnic cleansing to steal the private property of individuals' - any evidence for that?

Nonsense. Netanyahu OKed the bulldozing of a couple thousand Palestinian homes in West Bank as part of his collective punishment of Palestinians for the unity government.

The ethnic cleansing of West Bank can not possibly be considered security. Building illegal settlements on the Jordon is NOT needed for security. Building the wall in circuitous routes up river valleys is NOT for security. Demolishing the homes of residents of East Jerualem is NOT security.

These are all acts of acquisition - combining to be a clear case of ethnic cleansing on a grand scale as one notices that West Bank is now nearly divided in half, because of land that has been stolen, NOT in ANY way associated with being a security border.

 

[WillReadmore]

3.Hamas doesn't need to put 'lots of efforts into not dying' - Khaled Masha'al for example estimated 2.7 billion dollars, the people starve because this is the picture you get in every totalitarian dictatorship, remember Qadafhi?
The People of Gaza can fish and live, nobody was dying thanks to the massive aid Gaza receive so stop the fake panic, and read the answer I wrote before - again.

They are not allowed to import food. And, no, they are even being shot at within the 3 mile limit - which is clearly an illegal limit. Plus, fishermen in Gaza state that there are no fish within that limit.

So, why is Israel denying fishermen the use of motors on their boats? Why have they bombed the boathouses that store the boats and equipment for fishing along the seacoast?

Your claims are just clear statements of hate to a level the lets you think that you can commit humanitarian crimes against an entire people.

When will you learn that genocide is not acceptable, and can never lead to peace.

 

[WillReadmore]

Simple; they attacked Gaza to destroy Hamas tunnels/rockets that they can find as well as killing as many Hamas terrorist scum.

That isn't what Netanyahu has stated. He says his acts of war (the embargo, the payroll confiscation, the bulldozing of Palestinian residences) came because Hamas acceded to the unity government led by Abbas, committed to Israel's permanence, and with no seats for Hamas. He campaigned around the world trying to convince nations to undermine that unity government. There isn't any doubt about this being what sent him over the edge.

After that act of war, Hamas started firing rockets, yadda, yadda, yadda.

I want to know why Netanyahu reacted the way he did.

Why did he start a war over the unity government?

 

[WillReadmore]

"Gaza did not elect leadership that was working for Israel's removal"




Gaza elected leadership who's charter calls for Israel's removal!

You can look up the speeches of the prime minister elected in 2006 - a member of Hamas. He states clearly that Israel is permanent and that peace is possible through negotiation on the various well known issues.

Hamas is a relatively loose organization. It does not demand strict adherence to that charter you hint at. They are a terrorist group and need to be removed. But, those elected to office were NOT the crazies that cause us to list Hamas as terrorist.

But, notice that Netanyahu's war has marginalized Abbas and the non-terrorist unity government he leads, and put Hamas fully in charge of negotiations with Israel at this point - exactly backwards from what we should want.

 

[Daniyel]

No questions need to be asked before we all understand each side entirely, later on you can discuss about the events and turns.
That answer the first why..if I got it correctly you relate to the pre-operation assaults.
Hamas-Fatah Unified Government deserve to sit in jail or die for the past terrorist acts, the fact they decided to make pact just clearing any doubt about their-call it- 'goal' of eliminating Israel, any means necessary.
Out of 1800 fatalities only 700 were innocent only..1,100 terrorists 95% of them with weapon in hand, based on evidence gathered IDF made excellent work, and the unfortunate Gazans pay for their pride and arrogance while electing Hamas/Fatah in the past, and taking active/passive part with their 'noble goal'..

The unified government has no seats occupied by terrorists - specifically, there are no seats occupied by any Hamas member. The government is headed by Abbas, who has been a trusted partner with Israel on security in the West Bank.

A founding principle of that government is Israel's permanence - something Hamas agreed to when they acceded to this government.

Not only that, but the prime minister of Gaza who was elected in 2006 (and is Hamas) stated clearly that Israel has full rights of permanence. Gaza did NOT elect leadership that was working for Israel's removal. So, you are just plain wrong on that, too.

I want to know why Israel attacked Gaza. I want to know why they put in place draconian collective punishment against civilian citizens both in Gaza and in West Bank as a reaction to the unity government.

Don't give me your phony body count nonsense - I want to know why Israel attacked Gaza.

Can you please sum all the comments to one post? anyway, all the 'Palestinians' leadership all over the ******* years were terrorist, from The Grand Moufti-Nazi to Yasser Arafat PLO continuing to Mohamad Deif (Head of the Hamas military wing) to all the Hamas superstars, Abu-Mazen is also indirectly support terrorism and denied entry to Israel but due to the situation Israel does negotiate.
However, they are all bunch of terrorist and 'BEING' Hamas member (I won't say vote support terror) or funding terrorists is a crime and you bear the same responsibility.

 

[Phoenall]

[*]- why can't they have free and fair elections, without getting punished by economic blockades and sieges?
[*]There again, it is not a matter of a prohibition on elections. It is the fact that the Arab Palestinian openly elected the equivalent of a state sponsor of terrorism. The people advocated a regime that openly sponsors terrorism, and pledged their support to a government that is backed by terrorists.

Most Respectfully,
R

Do you seriously see that as justification for the collective punishment of the citizens of Gaza to the extent of blocking exports, denying travel, preventing fishing for food, devastating the economy, blocking imports of food, fuel, electricity, medicine, etc.???

Let's note that Israel has been unwilling to state anything Gaza could possibly do that would end this 8 years long assault. Recently, we even saw Hamas give up authority to the unity government, and even THAT action caused Israel to increase it's collective punishment in several ways.

We need Hamas reduced - no doubt about that. But, Israel's actions have been cleraly oriented to marginalizing Abbas and the unity government - making Hamas the central figure. Again - WHY?

Yes because it shows the majority of the gazan arab muslims support a terrorist organisation. So the blockade is against the leadership, members and supporters of hamas terrorism. If you bother to research the state of affairs in gaza you will see that it is hamas that is preventing the delivery of food, fuel, electricity, medicine, etc. And the majority that does get delivered is picked over by hamas first.

Israel has stated many times what hamas could do to stop this state of affairs repeatedly yet you don't see it as a valid request. Stop the rockets and terrorism and the blockade will be lifted a piece at a time. Hamas has given no concessions at all just demands of immediate action so they can rearm and retrain the next generation of hamas terrorists. It was not hamas giving up anything that caused the escalation of response to rockets, it was the rockets increase. But what about the collective punishment of Jews in Southern Israel by hamas, or are you one of these that does not see the damage done by having 2000 rockets fired at you day in and day out. The PTSD amongst Israeli children because of the constant alarms of approaching rockets, having to get to a shelter in less than a minute. Not the 4 days the gazan arab muslims are given to reach a safe area.


The only way to reduce hamas is to execute its leadership first, and then the members until it is a death sentence to be associated with any group that had connections to hamas. Once the word goes round that any association with hamas will result in a bullet between the ears will diminish hamas. In the mean time making life hard for the gazan voters will diminish support for hamas if Israel tells them that the reason for the destruction is because hamas is behind the rocket launch pads around their homes.

 

[Phoenall]

WillReadmore, et al,

I'm not at all sure that these questions are central to the issue.

You are just deflecting. I asked a CENTRAL QUESTION regarding THIS war.

Can you answer the question?

Our objective should be to marginalize Hamas, with it finally going away.

What Israel did was to marginalize Abbas, punish the collective citizens of Gaza and West Bank, and commit an act of war on Gaza (the embargo).

WHY?

We were winning! Hamas gave up office to the unity government!

So, ANSWER THE QUESTION!

(COMMENT)

• Our objective should be to marginalize Hamas, with it finally going away.
  
  • HAMAS is a designated terrorist organization. Any day is a good day to detect, exploit and neutralize a terrorist organization or any element providing a terrorist organization material support. Pursuant to (A/RES/60/288) Measures to prevent and combat terrorism:
    
    • To cooperate fully in the fight against terrorism, in accordance with our obligations under international law, in order to find, deny safe haven and bring to justice, on the basis of the principle of extradite or prosecute, any person who supports, facilitates, participates or attempts to participate in the financing, planning, preparation or perpetration of terrorist acts or provides safe havens;
      
    • To ensure the apprehension and prosecution or extradition of perpetrators of terrorist acts, in accordance with the relevant provisions of national and international law, in particular human rights law, refugee law and international humanitarian law. We will endeavour to conclude and implement to that effect mutual judicial assistance and extradition agreements and to strengthen cooperation between law enforcement agencies;

• What Israel did was to marginalize Abbas, punish the collective citizens of Gaza and West Bank, and commit an act of war on Gaza (the embargo).
  • What Israel did, in connection to the Occupation (arguable) is NOT collective punishment. It was an attempt by Israel to fulfill Article 64 of the Geneva Convention:
    
  • Without exhausting the concept Article 64 allows for suspension or repeal of existing laws and the enactment of new legislation in three exceptional situations:
    
    (i) the need of the Occupying Power to remove any direct threat to its security and to maintain safe lines of communication,
    (ii) the duty of the Occupying Power to discharge its duties under the Geneva Convention, and
    (iii) the necessity to ensure the “orderly government” of the occupied territory.​

• We were winning! Hamas gave up office to the unity government!
  • Did HAMAS actually give-up control? The actual demonstration of this is not visible. As an example, the recent 72 Hour ceasefire required, not the "Unity Government" but the authority of HAMAS, and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. There was not real "Unity Government." Similarly, HAMAS is holding in abeyance, its approval for the Unity Government to proceed with ICC acceptance processes.

Most Respectfully,
R

You dodged answering the question.

First, you added the bad side of Hamas - fine. That was assumed in my question. But, I suppose you have to keep saying that.

Your last ("The actual demonstration of this is not visible") I find rude and disgusting.

Hamas acceded to the unity government and was immediately attacked with an act of war as a response.

Not only that, but Israel is preventing the unity government from acting inside Gaza. Abbas can't even travel there.

Turning that into a claim that they didn't do enough is ... what do YOU think I should call that kind of response?

How about just answering my question?

Why did Netanyahu attack the people of Gaza and the people of West Bank when Hamas acceded to the unity government?

He didn't the IDF responded to attacks from gaza and the west bank with force. If you cant see this as fact then you need to stop looking at far right and far left web sites for your information. Over 200 rockets fired at Israel in the months prior to the hamas/fatah talks of a unity government with the highest number around the time it was announced officially. Now go figure who was to blame for the response by Israel to the increasing attacks on Israel and the Israelis, or are you one of these that don't want Israel to be able to defend itself from attack

 

[Phoenall]

et al,

Is this accurate?

(SIDEBAR)

"Throughout the day the following humanitarian aid was transferred from Israel into Gaza through the Sufa, Kerem Shalom and Erez Crossings with the coordination of the Gaza District Coordination and Liaison Office: 676 tons of sugar, 637 tons of straw, 375 tons of animal feed, 191 tons of fruits, 159 tons of salt, 116,000 liters of cooking oil, 79 tons of bananas, 71,000 liters of milk, 36 tons of rice, 36 tons of tea, 33 tons of meat, 21,000 liters of hypochlorite (a water purifier), 20 tons of coffee, 20 tons of cocoa, 14 tons of milk powder, 5 tons of medical equipment for babies and 10 tons of diapers, 4 tons of reproductive eggs and 5kg of medical equipment and 8433 vaccines."

Most Respectfully,
R

Just answer the ******* question! Christ!

BTW, Israel allows into Gaza, only 2600 calories per person, per day.

Which is more than that needed to maintain full health and promote weight gain.

See here for the breakdown of age to calorie intake

http://www.cnpp.usda.gov/publications/usdafoodpatterns/estimatedcalorieneedsperdaytable.pdf

I survive on 1800 calories a day and have no adverse side effects, an arab muslim using 2,600 calories a day faces type 2 diabetes and obeseity.

Nearly forgot that the gazans also produce their own food that takes them far above the daily requirements as decided by the WHO

 

[Phoenall]

You dodged answering the question.

First, you added the bad side of Hamas - fine. That was assumed in my question. But, I suppose you have to keep saying that.

Your last ("The actual demonstration of this is not visible") I find rude and disgusting.

Hamas acceded to the unity government and was immediately attacked with an act of war as a response.

Not only that, but Israel is preventing the unity government from acting inside Gaza. Abbas can't even travel there.

Turning that into a claim that they didn't do enough is ... what do YOU think I should call that kind of response?

How about just answering my question?

Why did Netanyahu attack the people of Gaza and the people of West Bank when Hamas acceded to the unity government?

Dude, you rock!

You say it better than I ever could.

Two ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATING NAZI LIARS together

 

[Phoenall]

et al,

Is this accurate?

(SIDEBAR)

"Throughout the day the following humanitarian aid was transferred from Israel into Gaza through the Sufa, Kerem Shalom and Erez Crossings with the coordination of the Gaza District Coordination and Liaison Office: 676 tons of sugar, 637 tons of straw, 375 tons of animal feed, 191 tons of fruits, 159 tons of salt, 116,000 liters of cooking oil, 79 tons of bananas, 71,000 liters of milk, 36 tons of rice, 36 tons of tea, 33 tons of meat, 21,000 liters of hypochlorite (a water purifier), 20 tons of coffee, 20 tons of cocoa, 14 tons of milk powder, 5 tons of medical equipment for babies and 10 tons of diapers, 4 tons of reproductive eggs and 5kg of medical equipment and 8433 vaccines."

Most Respectfully,
R

That is absolutely NOT an answer to the question.

I want to know why Israel considered it a justified response to the unified government that they perpetrated an act of war on the people of Gaza - the embargo, the confiscation of payroll of tens of thousands of citizens, the denial of fishing rights, the bulldozing of thousands of West Bank homes, etc.

Aid??? Do NOT pretend that is an answer.

What act of war would that be then. The blockade is legal, the P.A owes Israel $billions for electricity, gas and water, so they can sequester the money. No denial of fishing rights within the legal blockade. The demolition of military installations is legal under the Geneva conventions.

Any more ISLAMONAZI lies that you want to spread while you are at it. The plight of the gazans is at the hands of hamas for engaging in terrorism and violence, they can alleviate the blockade and security matters by stopping the terrorism and violence. The problem is easily solved by the arab muslims themselves, as proven by the actions of Egypt and Jordan when they negotiated peace and mutual borders with Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

The Act of War is associating with Terrorists, and taking part with hostile organizations, fair enough? No of course its not..Lets go over what you said.
1.Unified Government of Terrorists, why Israel suppose to aid hostile enemy?
2.When Israel confiscated payroll of tens of thousands citizens?
3.How come the Gazans manage to survive without "fishing rights" so far - and when exactly it was denied from them? (Limited, not denied completely be accurate)
4.The bulldozing of thousands of the WB homes is according the law Israel must enforce over the 'occupied territory' - what is wrong with that again?

The people in Gaza received probably one of the highest aid and Gaza , where is the ******* money? the 'embargo' on Iran is justified, the 'embargo' on Gaza is justified.
Arafat's Billions - CBS News

Only an inhuman piece of shit with no knowledge of international law, would think that.

Like a little child, Israel claims "Gaza started it!"

The underlying logic of the statement “Israel has the right to defend itself” is actually incredibly juvenile. Israel and its friends justify the flattening of apartment buildings and killing of children as acts of ‘self-defence’ provoked by Hamas rockets. Essentially they are saying ‘he started it.’ Putting aside the utter insanity and inhumanity of Israeli terrorism, let us address whether or not Gazan resistance fighters are indeed responsible for ‘starting it’ as is so often claimed.

Since 2006, the population of Gaza has been subjected to a crippling blockade, and three separate major military operations. In every case, the simple historical fact is that Israel began the hostilities mainly by assassinating Gazan leadership and civil servants (along with their families and other bystanders). The logic behind the blockade is straightforward enough: when the people of Gaza elected Hamas as their legitimate political representatives, the Israeli government decided to prevent all trade and transport of even the most basic, vital requirements in and out of Gaza. For almost a decade, the people of Gaza have slowly starved as their hospitals lose patient after patient due to the lack of medical supplies.

With regards to operation ‘Cast Lead’ of 2008, it was Israel which initiated the violence against a population it had under siege. During her election campaign, the war criminal Tzipi Livni promised in advance that she intended to ‘overthrow Hamas’. By the expiration of a six month cease fire, Israel had already amassed its troops and tanks outside of Gaza and wasted no time before beginning the brutal campaign killing over 1400 Palestinians.

In 2012 Israel killed 15 Gazan policemen, shot a disabled Palestinian to death with snipers, and killed a thirteen-year-old boy in a ground intrusion. In spite of this Hamas’ Ahmed al-Jabari persisted in peace negotiations with Israel, before Israel assassinated him, launching Operation Pillar of Cloud. Israel made sure to boast the precision of their strike against al-Jabari before killing a further 100 or so civilians.

Media outlets often omit the fact that Hamas has been pushing for a substantial long-term peace agreement with Israel for several years. Hamas have continuously offered a cessation of violence for a period of ten years in which both sides can take time to discuss the future. However, Israel are only ever content with ceasefires which are attached to further restrictions on the Palestinian people, and when a fair, long-lasting peace is offered, Israel prefer the path of war.

And now, after Hamas’ denial of any involvement in the killing of three Israeli settlers, Israel launched its latest offensive, operation ‘Protective Edge’ in which thousands of innocent Palestinians have now been maimed or murdered. However this wasn’t until after an Israeli lynch mob had burned a Palestinian child to death, and Israeli police beat another child black and blue.

By simply looking at the chronological order of events we can see that every single time, Israel throws the first blow. We are told ‘Israel has a right to defend itself,’ but it is not ‘defence’ when time and time again Israel—an occupying force to begin with—is responsible for initiating every offensive against the men, women and children of Gaza.

You really are a major piece of shit!

That would be you then as you did not even know that using civilian areas for launching attacks is a war crime. Or that once a civilian takes on any supporting role to a military action they are no longer protected parties.

Try reading the Geneva conventions dildo and see that Israel is within its legal rights to demolish any buildings that have or are being used for military purposes. This includes sheltering terrorists, weapons dumps, look out posts and fronts for tunnels.

In 2005 Israel complied with the Oslo accords and withdrew from gaza the terrorist attacks on Israel increased. This in itself is an act of war and Israel is within its rights to respond to this with violence.

The blockade was put on because of terrorist attacks and violence instigated by hamas. It is all in the history books how much Israel suffered from terrorist attacks.

So cast lead had nothing to do with 2,000 rockets being fired into civilian areas by hamas, or that they mostly targeted Israeli children. Look at the details again dildo and see what was happening in the lead up to cast lead, and how many times Israel asked hamas to stop or they would be forced to attack.

He was a terrorist and was instrumental in the kidnapping of Gilad Shalit, was also involved in the bombing of a bus so was a valid military target. It is just conjecture on the part of ISLAMONAZI JEW HATERS that he was assisinated because Israel did not want a cease fire, no proof or evidence from mom partisan sources to back ths up.

Has it or has it just been making demands that it knows will never be met, how about a link to a site that shows what hamas has offered Israel from 2006 ? A cessation of violence for 10m years is a standard ISLAMONAZI deal, with the proviso that they can renege on the deal at any time they feel they are able to resume hostilities.

Hamas denied using schools as weapons dumps, or of forcing women and children to be human shields. They are consummate LIARS and not to be believed, and they were proven to be involved in the murders because the voices of the murderers matched those of known hamas operatives.

By looking at the real chronological order of events you see that it is hamas starting the wars. Just as it is hamas that fires rockets that get a response within 12 hours form Israel. Then hamas fires more rockets 2 days later. remember your post dildo that showed this to be the case...............

 

[Phoenall]

That is absolutely NOT an answer to the question.

I want to know why Israel considered it a justified response to the unified government that they perpetrated an act of war on the people of Gaza - the embargo, the confiscation of payroll of tens of thousands of citizens, the denial of fishing rights, the bulldozing of thousands of West Bank homes, etc.

Aid??? Do NOT pretend that is an answer.

$100 million spent on a tunnel system from Gaza to Israel..... why do that unless, they intended to infiltrate Israel, in the still of the night like the little rats they are, to kill and take Israeli hostages. Stop the payrolls so that Hamas can't TAKE a decent chunk of the peoples pay for terrorist activities. They have a 3 mile limit, anything more and it makes SMUGGLING of weapons, and war supplies much easier to enter Gaza, and since we all know these rockets are launched from private homes, mosques, schools, and hospitals, a much deeper BUFFER ZONE is needed to make the IRON DOME more effective, as there will be MORE TIME for DEFENSIVE rockets to be launched with BETTER data to intercept the SCUMBAG, ******* , DOG KILLERS MISSILES, of the ******* Palestinians from killing even one INNOCENT ISRAELI CITIZEN!

Again! This is the reason we need to marginalize Hamas.

BUT, Israel attacked the citizens of Gaza because Hamas acceded to the unified government (how the heck many times does this need to be pointed out).

That is exactly what we should want - Hamas giving up control.

Yet Netanyahu attacked the citizens of Gaza, illegally as an act of war as well as collective punishment.

MY QUESTION IS WHY.

You can spout this drivel all you want it wont make it fact, and the history of events will show this. Over 200 rockets and mortars fired into Israel during a ceasefire to provoke a response from Israel because hamas thought they were capable of a victory. They lost and so did the part time terrorist civilians of gaza.

He responded to an act of war by hamas and attacked gaza This is LEGAL under the terms of the RULES OF WAR and INTERNATIONAL LAW

 

[Phoenall]

What if a Gazan wants to travel to the United States?

What business is that of Israel's?

International law allows for a 12 mile limit. Israel restricts the Pals to a 3 mile limit. Within this 3 mile limit, Israeli gunboats routinely shoot at Palestinians WHILE THEY ARE FISHING!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x1W2KFUI2E


WHO THE **** SHOOTS AT PEOPLE FISHING?


And the get shot at while they're farming! Why?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nkcYaqhpng

End the occupation and you won't get bombs from Hamas.

You're the aggressor! Stop your aggression!

You are so ******* full of shit!

Israel deliberately lied about who was responsible for the deaths of the 3 teens, just so it could launch this latest attack with the sole purpose of ending the unity government.

The one thing that pisses me off more than anything, is you fuckers blaming others for the shit you do!

Another pallywood production if you look at the footage. No evidence of any shots being fired from the IDF, just superimposed sounds. At 1:12 in the footage shows a bird resting on a stump as a shot is heard, the bird does not move which is against their natural instincts. So were is the hard evidence of the IDF shooting at these farmers ?

Notice in the first video how the footage kept switching to other footage.

I noticed that the rounds fired were hitting the water a good 100 feet from the fishing boat, so were meant as warning shots and not killing shots. Once the fishing boat had returned to the zone the shooting stopped and the patrol boat left the area.

 

[Phoenall]

That is absolutely NOT an answer to the question.

I want to know why Israel considered it a justified response to the unified government that they perpetrated an act of war on the people of Gaza - the embargo, the confiscation of payroll of tens of thousands of citizens, the denial of fishing rights, the bulldozing of thousands of West Bank homes, etc.

Aid??? Do NOT pretend that is an answer.

The Act of War is associating with Terrorists, and taking part with hostile organizations, fair enough? No of course its not..Lets go over what you said.
1.Unified Government of Terrorists, why Israel suppose to aid hostile enemy?
2.When Israel confiscated payroll of tens of thousands citizens?
3.How come the Gazans manage to survive without "fishing rights" so far - and when exactly it was denied from them? (Limited, not denied completely be accurate)
4.The bulldozing of thousands of the WB homes is according the law Israel must enforce over the 'occupied territory' - what is wrong with that again?

The people in Gaza received probably one of the highest aid and Gaza , where is the ******* money? the 'embargo' on Iran is justified, the 'embargo' on Gaza is justified.
Arafat's Billions - CBS News

1) False. The unity government has no positions for Hamas. It is led by Abbas, who is a western leaning technocrat and has proven trustworthy enough that Israel has turned signiicant West Bank security over to him.
2) The confiscation of the payroll of 50 thousand citizens of Gaza came as one of the acts of "punishment". Others included buldozing West Bank homes of Palestinians and perhaps most importantly the significant strengthening of the embargo against imports, exports, fishing, travel, etc. This act of war by Israel is what precipitated the Hamas rocket attacks. And, I want to know why Israel did that.
3) I don't understand this question. Humans put a lot of effort into not dying. It's still a crime to attempt to kill humans in that manner - even if you aren't totally successful.
4) The homes that were bulldozed were the personal private property of Palestinians. The bulldozing was stated by Netanyahu to be a punishment of the people for the political act of Hamas in ceding power to Abbas. That is, of course, a definition of terrorism and group punishment - totally illegal in itself. Also, it is an act of ethnic cleansing to steal the private property of individuals based on ethnicity and to drive them away. That is, of course, also a humanitarian crime.

Wrong as his period in office ended some years back, he has just elected himself like all dictators do.

What act of war, read the Geneva conventions.

Simple you are working on a false premise that the gazan fishermen are banned from fishing when in fact they are just mot allowed outside of a certain area. The area they are allowed to fish is the most productive anyway, and catches outside this area are poor at best.

LINK needed as I don't believe a word you say

 

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Another pallywood production if you look at the footage. No evidence of any shots being fired from the IDF, just superimposed sounds. At 1:12 in the footage shows a bird resting on a stump as a shot is heard, the bird does not move which is against their natural instincts. So were is the hard evidence of the IDF shooting at these farmers ?

Just bullshit conjecture on your part.

We shot at fishermen

Unit: Navy

Location: Gaza Strip

Year: 2007

There’s an area bordering Gaza that’s under the navy’s control. Even after Israel disengaged from the Strip, nothing changed in the sea sector. I remember that near Area K, which divided Israel and Gaza, there were kids as young as four or six, who’d get up early in the morning to fish, in the areas that were off-limits. They’d go there because the other areas were crowded with fishermen. The kids always tried to cross, and every morning we’d shoot in their direction to scare them off. It got to the point of shooting at the kids’ feet where they were standing on the beach or at the ones on surfboards. We had Druze police officers on board who’d scream at them in Arabic. We’d see the poor kids crying.

What do you mean, “shoot in their direction”?

It starts with shooting in the air, then it shifts to shooting close by, and in extreme cases it becomes shooting toward their legs.

At what distance?

Five or six hundred meters, with a Rafael heavy machine gun, it’s all automatic.

Where do you aim?

It’s about perspective. On the screen, there’s a measure for height and a one for width, and you mark where you want the bullet to go with the cursor. It cancels out the effect of the waves and hits where it’s supposed to, it’s precise.

You aim a meter away from the surfboard?

More like five or six meters. I heard about cases where they actually hit the surfboards, but I didn’t see it. There were other things that bothered me, this thing with Palestinian fishing nets. The nets cost around four thousand shekels, which is like a million dollars for them. When they wouldn’t do what we said too many times, we’d sink their nets. They leave their nets in the water for something like six hours. The Dabur patrol boat comes along and cuts their nets.

Why?

As a punishment.

For what?

Because they didn’t do what we said. Let’s say a boat drifts over to an area that’s off-limits, so a Dabur comes, circles, shoots in the air, and goes back. Then an hour later, the boat comes back and so does the Dabur. The third time around, the Dabur starts shooting at the nets, at the boat, and then shoots to sink them.

Is the off-limits area close to Israel?

There’s one area close to Israel and another along the Israeli-Egyptian border… Israel’s sea border is twelve miles out, and Gaza’s is only three. They’ve only got those three miles, and that’s because of one reason, which is that Israel wants its gas, and there’s an offshore drilling rig something like three and a half miles out facing the Gaza Strip, which should be Palestinian, except that it’s ours… the Navy Special Forces unit provides security for the rig. A bird comes near the area, they shoot it. There’s an insane amount of security for that thing. One time there were Egyptian fishing nets over the three-mile limit, and we dealt with them. A total disaster.

Meaning?

They were in international waters, we don’t have jurisdiction there, but we’d shoot at them.

At Egyptian fishing nets?

Yes. Although we’re at peace with Egypt.

You're a total ******* scumbag, phone-*****.

Go to hell!

No conjecture dildo as the evidence is there for all to see. No bird would stand still with the sound of gunfire all around it.

You are losing the argument which is why you are resorting to illiterate profanities, if you were British you would be called a chav.