How Israel Used Its Own Civilians as Human Shields While Assaulting Gaza

et al,

Is this accurate?

(SIDEBAR)

"Throughout the day the following humanitarian aid was transferred from Israel into Gaza through the Sufa, Kerem Shalom and Erez Crossings with the coordination of the Gaza District Coordination and Liaison Office: 676 tons of sugar, 637 tons of straw, 375 tons of animal feed, 191 tons of fruits, 159 tons of salt, 116,000 liters of cooking oil, 79 tons of bananas, 71,000 liters of milk, 36 tons of rice, 36 tons of tea, 33 tons of meat, 21,000 liters of hypochlorite (a water purifier), 20 tons of coffee, 20 tons of cocoa, 14 tons of milk powder, 5 tons of medical equipment for babies and 10 tons of diapers, 4 tons of reproductive eggs and 5kg of medical equipment and 8433 vaccines."

Most Respectfully,
R
That is absolutely NOT an answer to the question.

I want to know why Israel considered it a justified response to the unified government that they perpetrated an act of war on the people of Gaza - the embargo, the confiscation of payroll of tens of thousands of citizens, the denial of fishing rights, the bulldozing of thousands of West Bank homes, etc.

Aid??? Do NOT pretend that is an answer.

The Act of War is associating with Terrorists, and taking part with hostile organizations, fair enough? No of course its not..Lets go over what you said.
1.Unified Government of Terrorists, why Israel suppose to aid hostile enemy?
2.When Israel confiscated payroll of tens of thousands citizens?
3.How come the Gazans manage to survive without "fishing rights" so far - and when exactly it was denied from them? (Limited, not denied completely be accurate)
4.The bulldozing of thousands of the WB homes is according the law Israel must enforce over the 'occupied territory' - what is wrong with that again?

The people in Gaza received probably one of the highest aid and Gaza , where is the ******* money? the 'embargo' on Iran is justified, the 'embargo' on Gaza is justified.
Arafat's Billions - CBS News
 
[MENTION=46231]WillReadmore[/MENTION]

It wasn't intended to be an answer.

et al,

Is this accurate?

(SIDEBAR)

"Throughout the day the following humanitarian aid was transferred from Israel into Gaza through the Sufa, Kerem Shalom and Erez Crossings with the coordination of the Gaza District Coordination and Liaison Office: 676 tons of sugar, 637 tons of straw, 375 tons of animal feed, 191 tons of fruits, 159 tons of salt, 116,000 liters of cooking oil, 79 tons of bananas, 71,000 liters of milk, 36 tons of rice, 36 tons of tea, 33 tons of meat, 21,000 liters of hypochlorite (a water purifier), 20 tons of coffee, 20 tons of cocoa, 14 tons of milk powder, 5 tons of medical equipment for babies and 10 tons of diapers, 4 tons of reproductive eggs and 5kg of medical equipment and 8433 vaccines."

Most Respectfully,
R
That is absolutely NOT an answer to the question.

I want to know why Israel considered it a justified response to the unified government that they perpetrated an act of war on the people of Gaza - the embargo, the confiscation of payroll of tens of thousands of citizens, the denial of fishing rights, the bulldozing of thousands of West Bank homes, etc.

Aid??? Do NOT pretend that is an answer.
(COMMENT)

It was a separate and independent question.

v/r
R
 
[MENTION=46231]WillReadmore[/MENTION]

It wasn't intended to be an answer.

et al,

Is this accurate?

(SIDEBAR)

"Throughout the day the following humanitarian aid was transferred from Israel into Gaza through the Sufa, Kerem Shalom and Erez Crossings with the coordination of the Gaza District Coordination and Liaison Office: 676 tons of sugar, 637 tons of straw, 375 tons of animal feed, 191 tons of fruits, 159 tons of salt, 116,000 liters of cooking oil, 79 tons of bananas, 71,000 liters of milk, 36 tons of rice, 36 tons of tea, 33 tons of meat, 21,000 liters of hypochlorite (a water purifier), 20 tons of coffee, 20 tons of cocoa, 14 tons of milk powder, 5 tons of medical equipment for babies and 10 tons of diapers, 4 tons of reproductive eggs and 5kg of medical equipment and 8433 vaccines."

Most Respectfully,
R
That is absolutely NOT an answer to the question.

I want to know why Israel considered it a justified response to the unified government that they perpetrated an act of war on the people of Gaza - the embargo, the confiscation of payroll of tens of thousands of citizens, the denial of fishing rights, the bulldozing of thousands of West Bank homes, etc.

Aid??? Do NOT pretend that is an answer.
(COMMENT)

It was a separate and independent question.

v/r
R

WillReadMore = WillKnowLess
 
The Act of War is associating with Terrorists, and taking part with hostile organizations, fair enough? No of course its not..Lets go over what you said.
1.Unified Government of Terrorists, why Israel suppose to aid hostile enemy?
2.When Israel confiscated payroll of tens of thousands citizens?
3.How come the Gazans manage to survive without "fishing rights" so far - and when exactly it was denied from them? (Limited, not denied completely be accurate)
4.The bulldozing of thousands of the WB homes is according the law Israel must enforce over the 'occupied territory' - what is wrong with that again?

The people in Gaza received probably one of the highest aid and Gaza , where is the ******* money? the 'embargo' on Iran is justified, the 'embargo' on Gaza is justified.
Arafat's Billions - CBS News
Only an inhuman piece of shit with no knowledge of international law, would think that.

Like a little child, Israel claims "Gaza started it!"

The underlying logic of the statement “Israel has the right to defend itself” is actually incredibly juvenile. Israel and its friends justify the flattening of apartment buildings and killing of children as acts of ‘self-defence’ provoked by Hamas rockets. Essentially they are saying ‘he started it.’ Putting aside the utter insanity and inhumanity of Israeli terrorism, let us address whether or not Gazan resistance fighters are indeed responsible for ‘starting it’ as is so often claimed.

Since 2006, the population of Gaza has been subjected to a crippling blockade, and three separate major military operations. In every case, the simple historical fact is that Israel began the hostilities mainly by assassinating Gazan leadership and civil servants (along with their families and other bystanders). The logic behind the blockade is straightforward enough: when the people of Gaza elected Hamas as their legitimate political representatives, the Israeli government decided to prevent all trade and transport of even the most basic, vital requirements in and out of Gaza. For almost a decade, the people of Gaza have slowly starved as their hospitals lose patient after patient due to the lack of medical supplies.

With regards to operation ‘Cast Lead’ of 2008, it was Israel which initiated the violence against a population it had under siege. During her election campaign, the war criminal Tzipi Livni promised in advance that she intended to ‘overthrow Hamas’. By the expiration of a six month cease fire, Israel had already amassed its troops and tanks outside of Gaza and wasted no time before beginning the brutal campaign killing over 1400 Palestinians.

In 2012 Israel killed 15 Gazan policemen, shot a disabled Palestinian to death with snipers, and killed a thirteen-year-old boy in a ground intrusion. In spite of this HamasÂ’ Ahmed al-Jabari persisted in peace negotiations with Israel, before Israel assassinated him, launching Operation Pillar of Cloud. Israel made sure to boast the precision of their strike against al-Jabari before killing a further 100 or so civilians.

Media outlets often omit the fact that Hamas has been pushing for a substantial long-term peace agreement with Israel for several years. Hamas have continuously offered a cessation of violence for a period of ten years in which both sides can take time to discuss the future. However, Israel are only ever content with ceasefires which are attached to further restrictions on the Palestinian people, and when a fair, long-lasting peace is offered, Israel prefer the path of war.

And now, after Hamas’ denial of any involvement in the killing of three Israeli settlers, Israel launched its latest offensive, operation ‘Protective Edge’ in which thousands of innocent Palestinians have now been maimed or murdered. However this wasn’t until after an Israeli lynch mob had burned a Palestinian child to death, and Israeli police beat another child black and blue.

By simply looking at the chronological order of events we can see that every single time, Israel throws the first blow. We are told ‘Israel has a right to defend itself,’ but it is not ‘defence’ when time and time again Israel—an occupying force to begin with—is responsible for initiating every offensive against the men, women and children of Gaza.
You really are a major piece of shit!
 
That is absolutely NOT an answer to the question.

I want to know why Israel considered it a justified response to the unified government that they perpetrated an act of war on the people of Gaza - the embargo, the confiscation of payroll of tens of thousands of citizens, the denial of fishing rights, the bulldozing of thousands of West Bank homes, etc.

Aid??? Do NOT pretend that is an answer.

$100 million spent on a tunnel system from Gaza to Israel..... why do that unless, they intended to infiltrate Israel, in the still of the night like the little rats they are, to kill and take Israeli hostages. Stop the payrolls so that Hamas can't TAKE a decent chunk of the peoples pay for terrorist activities. They have a 3 mile limit, anything more and it makes SMUGGLING of weapons, and war supplies much easier to enter Gaza, and since we all know these rockets are launched from private homes, mosques, schools, and hospitals, a much deeper BUFFER ZONE is needed to make the IRON DOME more effective, as there will be MORE TIME for DEFENSIVE rockets to be launched with BETTER data to intercept the SCUMBAG, ******* , DOG KILLERS MISSILES, of the ******* Palestinians from killing even one INNOCENT ISRAELI CITIZEN!

Again! This is the reason we need to marginalize Hamas.

BUT, Israel attacked the citizens of Gaza because Hamas acceded to the unified government (how the heck many times does this need to be pointed out).

That is exactly what we should want - Hamas giving up control.

Yet Netanyahu attacked the citizens of Gaza, illegally as an act of war as well as collective punishment.

MY QUESTION IS WHY.
 
They do not want to be Israeli. They have to go to the PA Offices and apply for a passport, travel permit, etc., if they have a birth certificate showing they were born in palestine. If a gazan wants to travel to Israel they need to apply to hamas. They need the right documents and stamps recognized by Israel.
What if a Gazan wants to travel to the United States?

What business is that of Israel's?

International law allows for a 12 mile limit. Israel restricts the Pals to a 3 mile limit. Within this 3 mile limit, Israeli gunboats routinely shoot at Palestinians WHILE THEY ARE FISHING!





WHO THE **** SHOOTS AT PEOPLE FISHING?


And the get shot at while they're farming! Why?



End the occupation and you won't get bombs from Hamas.

You're the aggressor! Stop your aggression!

As for the elections, we have been through this before. Hamas is preventing elections in gaza. The firing on Israel as well as hamas not permitting other political parties from campaigning or securing a period of calm for elections can take place has stalled the projected dates. They were supposed to take place before September according to the unity agreement between hamas and the PA. Unfortunately the unity agreement is falling apart because of hamas.
You are so ******* full of shit!

Israel deliberately lied about who was responsible for the deaths of the 3 teens, just so it could launch this latest attack with the sole purpose of ending the unity government.

The one thing that pisses me off more than anything, is you fuckers blaming others for the shit you do!






Another pallywood production if you look at the footage. No evidence of any shots being fired from the IDF, just superimposed sounds. At 1:12 in the footage shows a bird resting on a stump as a shot is heard, the bird does not move which is against their natural instincts. So were is the hard evidence of the IDF shooting at these farmers ?


Notice in the first video how the footage kept switching to other footage.
 
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That is absolutely NOT an answer to the question.

I want to know why Israel considered it a justified response to the unified government that they perpetrated an act of war on the people of Gaza - the embargo, the confiscation of payroll of tens of thousands of citizens, the denial of fishing rights, the bulldozing of thousands of West Bank homes, etc.

Aid??? Do NOT pretend that is an answer.

$100 million spent on a tunnel system from Gaza to Israel..... why do that unless, they intended to infiltrate Israel, in the still of the night like the little rats they are, to kill and take Israeli hostages. Stop the payrolls so that Hamas can't TAKE a decent chunk of the peoples pay for terrorist activities. They have a 3 mile limit, anything more and it makes SMUGGLING of weapons, and war supplies much easier to enter Gaza, and since we all know these rockets are launched from private homes, mosques, schools, and hospitals, a much deeper BUFFER ZONE is needed to make the IRON DOME more effective, as there will be MORE TIME for DEFENSIVE rockets to be launched with BETTER data to intercept the SCUMBAG, ******* , DOG KILLERS MISSILES, of the ******* Palestinians from killing even one INNOCENT ISRAELI CITIZEN!

Again! This is the reason we need to marginalize Hamas.

BUT, Israel attacked the citizens of Gaza because Hamas acceded to the unified government (how the heck many times does this need to be pointed out).

That is exactly what we should want - Hamas giving up control.

Yet Netanyahu attacked the citizens of Gaza, illegally as an act of war as well as collective punishment.

MY QUESTION IS WHY.

So, Mr. Less, I presume you deny that Hamas attacks from residential structures, schools, libraries and hospitals.
In that case, there is no discussion.
 
et al,

Is this accurate?

(SIDEBAR)

"Throughout the day the following humanitarian aid was transferred from Israel into Gaza through the Sufa, Kerem Shalom and Erez Crossings with the coordination of the Gaza District Coordination and Liaison Office: 676 tons of sugar, 637 tons of straw, 375 tons of animal feed, 191 tons of fruits, 159 tons of salt, 116,000 liters of cooking oil, 79 tons of bananas, 71,000 liters of milk, 36 tons of rice, 36 tons of tea, 33 tons of meat, 21,000 liters of hypochlorite (a water purifier), 20 tons of coffee, 20 tons of cocoa, 14 tons of milk powder, 5 tons of medical equipment for babies and 10 tons of diapers, 4 tons of reproductive eggs and 5kg of medical equipment and 8433 vaccines."

Most Respectfully,
R
That is absolutely NOT an answer to the question.

I want to know why Israel considered it a justified response to the unified government that they perpetrated an act of war on the people of Gaza - the embargo, the confiscation of payroll of tens of thousands of citizens, the denial of fishing rights, the bulldozing of thousands of West Bank homes, etc.

Aid??? Do NOT pretend that is an answer.

The Act of War is associating with Terrorists, and taking part with hostile organizations, fair enough? No of course its not..Lets go over what you said.
1.Unified Government of Terrorists, why Israel suppose to aid hostile enemy?
2.When Israel confiscated payroll of tens of thousands citizens?
3.How come the Gazans manage to survive without "fishing rights" so far - and when exactly it was denied from them? (Limited, not denied completely be accurate)
4.The bulldozing of thousands of the WB homes is according the law Israel must enforce over the 'occupied territory' - what is wrong with that again?

The people in Gaza received probably one of the highest aid and Gaza , where is the ******* money? the 'embargo' on Iran is justified, the 'embargo' on Gaza is justified.
Arafat's Billions - CBS News
1) False. The unity government has no positions for Hamas. It is led by Abbas, who is a western leaning technocrat and has proven trustworthy enough that Israel has turned signiicant West Bank security over to him.
2) The confiscation of the payroll of 50 thousand citizens of Gaza came as one of the acts of "punishment". Others included buldozing West Bank homes of Palestinians and perhaps most importantly the significant strengthening of the embargo against imports, exports, fishing, travel, etc. This act of war by Israel is what precipitated the Hamas rocket attacks. And, I want to know why Israel did that.
3) I don't understand this question. Humans put a lot of effort into not dying. It's still a crime to attempt to kill humans in that manner - even if you aren't totally successful.
4) The homes that were bulldozed were the personal private property of Palestinians. The bulldozing was stated by Netanyahu to be a punishment of the people for the political act of Hamas in ceding power to Abbas. That is, of course, a definition of terrorism and group punishment - totally illegal in itself. Also, it is an act of ethnic cleansing to steal the private property of individuals based on ethnicity and to drive them away. That is, of course, also a humanitarian crime.
 
That is absolutely NOT an answer to the question.

I want to know why Israel considered it a justified response to the unified government that they perpetrated an act of war on the people of Gaza - the embargo, the confiscation of payroll of tens of thousands of citizens, the denial of fishing rights, the bulldozing of thousands of West Bank homes, etc.

Aid??? Do NOT pretend that is an answer.

The Act of War is associating with Terrorists, and taking part with hostile organizations, fair enough? No of course its not..Lets go over what you said.
1.Unified Government of Terrorists, why Israel suppose to aid hostile enemy?
2.When Israel confiscated payroll of tens of thousands citizens?
3.How come the Gazans manage to survive without "fishing rights" so far - and when exactly it was denied from them? (Limited, not denied completely be accurate)
4.The bulldozing of thousands of the WB homes is according the law Israel must enforce over the 'occupied territory' - what is wrong with that again?

The people in Gaza received probably one of the highest aid and Gaza , where is the ******* money? the 'embargo' on Iran is justified, the 'embargo' on Gaza is justified.
Arafat's Billions - CBS News
1) False. The unity government has no positions for Hamas. It is led by Abbas, who is a western leaning technocrat and has proven trustworthy enough that Israel has turned signiicant West Bank security over to him.
2) The confiscation of the payroll of 50 thousand citizens of Gaza came as one of the acts of "punishment". Others included buldozing West Bank homes of Palestinians and perhaps most importantly the significant strengthening of the embargo against imports, exports, fishing, travel, etc. This act of war by Israel is what precipitated the Hamas rocket attacks. And, I want to know why Israel did that.
3) I don't understand this question. Humans put a lot of effort into not dying. It's still a crime to attempt to kill humans in that manner - even if you aren't totally successful.
4) The homes that were bulldozed were the personal private property of Palestinians. The bulldozing was stated by Netanyahu to be a punishment of the people for the political act of Hamas in ceding power to Abbas. That is, of course, a definition of terrorism and group punishment - totally illegal in itself. Also, it is an act of ethnic cleansing to steal the private property of individuals based on ethnicity and to drive them away. That is, of course, also a humanitarian crime.

I'm sure that your knowledge of International Law is far greater than the 5,000 Jewish International Lawyers at Netanyahu's beck and call.
 
That is absolutely NOT an answer to the question.

I want to know why Israel considered it a justified response to the unified government that they perpetrated an act of war on the people of Gaza - the embargo, the confiscation of payroll of tens of thousands of citizens, the denial of fishing rights, the bulldozing of thousands of West Bank homes, etc.

Aid??? Do NOT pretend that is an answer.

$100 million spent on a tunnel system from Gaza to Israel..... why do that unless, they intended to infiltrate Israel, in the still of the night like the little rats they are, to kill and take Israeli hostages. Stop the payrolls so that Hamas can't TAKE a decent chunk of the peoples pay for terrorist activities. They have a 3 mile limit, anything more and it makes SMUGGLING of weapons, and war supplies much easier to enter Gaza, and since we all know these rockets are launched from private homes, mosques, schools, and hospitals, a much deeper BUFFER ZONE is needed to make the IRON DOME more effective, as there will be MORE TIME for DEFENSIVE rockets to be launched with BETTER data to intercept the SCUMBAG, ******* , DOG KILLERS MISSILES, of the ******* Palestinians from killing even one INNOCENT ISRAELI CITIZEN!

Again! This is the reason we need to marginalize Hamas.

BUT, Israel attacked the citizens of Gaza because Hamas acceded to the unified government (how the heck many times does this need to be pointed out).

That is exactly what we should want - Hamas giving up control.

Yet Netanyahu attacked the citizens of Gaza, illegally as an act of war as well as collective punishment.

MY QUESTION IS WHY.

The citizens of Gaza attacked by Israel - Are terrorists, legitimate targets.

No questions need to be asked before we all understand each side entirely, later on you can discuss about the events and turns.
That answer the first why..if I got it correctly you relate to the pre-operation assaults.
Hamas-Fatah Unified Government deserve to sit in jail or die for the past terrorist acts, the fact they decided to make pact just clearing any doubt about their-call it- 'goal' of eliminating Israel, any means necessary.
Out of 1800 fatalities only 700 were innocent only..1,100 terrorists 95% of them with weapon in hand, based on evidence gathered IDF made excellent work, and the unfortunate Gazans pay for their pride and arrogance while electing Hamas/Fatah in the past, and taking active/passive part with their 'noble goal'..
 
The Act of War is associating with Terrorists, and taking part with hostile organizations, fair enough? No of course its not..Lets go over what you said.
1.Unified Government of Terrorists, why Israel suppose to aid hostile enemy?
2.When Israel confiscated payroll of tens of thousands citizens?
3.How come the Gazans manage to survive without "fishing rights" so far - and when exactly it was denied from them? (Limited, not denied completely be accurate)
4.The bulldozing of thousands of the WB homes is according the law Israel must enforce over the 'occupied territory' - what is wrong with that again?

The people in Gaza received probably one of the highest aid and Gaza , where is the ******* money? the 'embargo' on Iran is justified, the 'embargo' on Gaza is justified.
Arafat's Billions - CBS News
Only an inhuman piece of shit with no knowledge of international law, would think that.

Like a little child, Israel claims "Gaza started it!"

The underlying logic of the statement “Israel has the right to defend itself” is actually incredibly juvenile. Israel and its friends justify the flattening of apartment buildings and killing of children as acts of ‘self-defence’ provoked by Hamas rockets. Essentially they are saying ‘he started it.’ Putting aside the utter insanity and inhumanity of Israeli terrorism, let us address whether or not Gazan resistance fighters are indeed responsible for ‘starting it’ as is so often claimed.

Since 2006, the population of Gaza has been subjected to a crippling blockade, and three separate major military operations. In every case, the simple historical fact is that Israel began the hostilities mainly by assassinating Gazan leadership and civil servants (along with their families and other bystanders). The logic behind the blockade is straightforward enough: when the people of Gaza elected Hamas as their legitimate political representatives, the Israeli government decided to prevent all trade and transport of even the most basic, vital requirements in and out of Gaza. For almost a decade, the people of Gaza have slowly starved as their hospitals lose patient after patient due to the lack of medical supplies.

With regards to operation ‘Cast Lead’ of 2008, it was Israel which initiated the violence against a population it had under siege. During her election campaign, the war criminal Tzipi Livni promised in advance that she intended to ‘overthrow Hamas’. By the expiration of a six month cease fire, Israel had already amassed its troops and tanks outside of Gaza and wasted no time before beginning the brutal campaign killing over 1400 Palestinians.

In 2012 Israel killed 15 Gazan policemen, shot a disabled Palestinian to death with snipers, and killed a thirteen-year-old boy in a ground intrusion. In spite of this Hamas’ Ahmed al-Jabari persisted in peace negotiations with Israel, before Israel assassinated him, launching Operation Pillar of Cloud. Israel made sure to boast the precision of their strike against al-Jabari before killing a further 100 or so civilians.

Media outlets often omit the fact that Hamas has been pushing for a substantial long-term peace agreement with Israel for several years. Hamas have continuously offered a cessation of violence for a period of ten years in which both sides can take time to discuss the future. However, Israel are only ever content with ceasefires which are attached to further restrictions on the Palestinian people, and when a fair, long-lasting peace is offered, Israel prefer the path of war.

And now, after Hamas’ denial of any involvement in the killing of three Israeli settlers, Israel launched its latest offensive, operation ‘Protective Edge’ in which thousands of innocent Palestinians have now been maimed or murdered. However this wasn’t until after an Israeli lynch mob had burned a Palestinian child to death, and Israeli police beat another child black and blue.

By simply looking at the chronological order of events we can see that every single time, Israel throws the first blow. We are told ‘Israel has a right to defend itself,’ but it is not ‘defence’ when time and time again Israel—an occupying force to begin with—is responsible for initiating every offensive against the men, women and children of Gaza.
You really are a major piece of shit!

How stupid does someone have to be to not understand that if you don't launch missiles at Israel or try to attack Israelis through tunnels, then Israel will not start an operation in Gaza?

Also, I don't normally criticize sources, but Global research is incredibly biased! Which is why I'm not surprised that a dumb piece of trash like you uses it.

You're so pathetic , it's not even funny!
 
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1) False. The unity government has no positions for Hamas. It is led by Abbas, who is a western leaning technocrat and has proven trustworthy enough that Israel has turned signiicant West Bank security over to him.
1. True, the unity government led by Hamas and Fatah(Abbas) - which pays salaries to imprisoned terrorists in Israel, Abbas has zero western ideologies, the only difference between Hamas and Fatah is the negotiation with Israel or not, for achieving better position for the Palestinians to continue their bloodshed.
Abbas proved untrustworthy over the years with refusals and cold legs when it comes to negotiating, denying terrorists, or taking any kind of step for the sake of the Palestinians - the innocent part of them - the only thing he ever did was agree to sit for limited time negotiation after Israel released 350 terrorists, nothing more.
2) The confiscation of the payroll of 50 thousand citizens of Gaza came as one of the acts of "punishment". Others included buldozing West Bank homes of Palestinians and perhaps most importantly the significant strengthening of the embargo against imports, exports, fishing, travel, etc. This act of war by Israel is what precipitated the Hamas rocket attacks. And, I want to know why Israel did that.
There are about 70,000 Hamas-Fatah members 20,000 military wing, the use of the money is to fund terrorist acts against Israel, and Israel won't help them since its forbidden in Israel, I dunno where you from.
3) I don't understand this question. Humans put a lot of effort into not dying. It's still a crime to attempt to kill humans in that manner - even if you aren't totally successful.
3.Hamas doesn't need to put 'lots of efforts into not dying' - Khaled Masha'al for example estimated 2.7 billion dollars, the people starve because this is the picture you get in every totalitarian dictatorship, remember Qadafhi?
The People of Gaza can fish and live, nobody was dying thanks to the massive aid Gaza receive so stop the fake panic, and read the answer I wrote before - again.
4) The homes that were bulldozed were the personal private property of Palestinians. The bulldozing was stated by Netanyahu to be a punishment of the people for the political act of Hamas in ceding power to Abbas. That is, of course, a definition of terrorism and group punishment - totally illegal in itself. Also, it is an act of ethnic cleansing to steal the private property of individuals based on ethnicity and to drive them away. That is, of course, also a humanitarian crime.
'Personal private property' illegally built in Israeli territory - but here is not the problem - the fact you say Netanyahu stated that is interesting because I don't remember such statement, the bulldozing of WB are for security measures or punishment for committing a crime, the fact Israel recaptured convicted terrorist released in the past is a legitimate law enforcement and it sure not a collective punishment as you present it.
'Ethnic cleansing to steal the private property of individuals' - any evidence for that?
 
Another pallywood production if you look at the footage. No evidence of any shots being fired from the IDF, just superimposed sounds. At 1:12 in the footage shows a bird resting on a stump as a shot is heard, the bird does not move which is against their natural instincts. So were is the hard evidence of the IDF shooting at these farmers ?
Just bullshit conjecture on your part.


We shot at fishermen

Unit: Navy

Location: Gaza Strip

Year: 2007

ThereÂ’s an area bordering Gaza thatÂ’s under the navyÂ’s control. Even after Israel disengaged from the Strip, nothing changed in the sea sector. I remember that near Area K, which divided Israel and Gaza, there were kids as young as four or six, whoÂ’d get up early in the morning to fish, in the areas that were off-limits. TheyÂ’d go there because the other areas were crowded with fishermen. The kids always tried to cross, and every morning weÂ’d shoot in their direction to scare them off. It got to the point of shooting at the kidsÂ’ feet where they were standing on the beach or at the ones on surfboards. We had Druze police officers on board whoÂ’d scream at them in Arabic. WeÂ’d see the poor kids crying.

What do you mean, “shoot in their direction”?

It starts with shooting in the air, then it shifts to shooting close by, and in extreme cases it becomes shooting toward their legs.

At what distance?

Five or six hundred meters, with a Rafael heavy machine gun, itÂ’s all automatic.

Where do you aim?

ItÂ’s about perspective. On the screen, thereÂ’s a measure for height and a one for width, and you mark where you want the bullet to go with the cursor. It cancels out the effect of the waves and hits where itÂ’s supposed to, itÂ’s precise.

You aim a meter away from the surfboard?

More like five or six meters. I heard about cases where they actually hit the surfboards, but I didnÂ’t see it. There were other things that bothered me, this thing with Palestinian fishing nets. The nets cost around four thousand shekels, which is like a million dollars for them. When they wouldnÂ’t do what we said too many times, weÂ’d sink their nets. They leave their nets in the water for something like six hours. The Dabur patrol boat comes along and cuts their nets.

Why?

As a punishment.

For what?

Because they didnÂ’t do what we said. LetÂ’s say a boat drifts over to an area thatÂ’s off-limits, so a Dabur comes, circles, shoots in the air, and goes back. Then an hour later, the boat comes back and so does the Dabur. The third time around, the Dabur starts shooting at the nets, at the boat, and then shoots to sink them.

Is the off-limits area close to Israel?

ThereÂ’s one area close to Israel and another along the Israeli-Egyptian borderÂ… IsraelÂ’s sea border is twelve miles out, and GazaÂ’s is only three. TheyÂ’ve only got those three miles, and thatÂ’s because of one reason, which is that Israel wants its gas, and thereÂ’s an offshore drilling rig something like three and a half miles out facing the Gaza Strip, which should be Palestinian, except that itÂ’s oursÂ… the Navy Special Forces unit provides security for the rig. A bird comes near the area, they shoot it. ThereÂ’s an insane amount of security for that thing. One time there were Egyptian fishing nets over the three-mile limit, and we dealt with them. A total disaster.

Meaning?

They were in international waters, we donÂ’t have jurisdiction there, but weÂ’d shoot at them.

At Egyptian fishing nets?

Yes. Although weÂ’re at peace with Egypt.
You're a total ******* scumbag, phone-*****.

Go to hell!
 
How stupid does someone have to be to not understand that if you don't launch missiles at Israel or try to attack Israelis through tunnels, then Israel will not start an operation in Gaza?

Also, I don't normally criticize sources, but Global research is incredibly biased! Which is why I'm not surprised that a dumb piece of trash like you uses it.

You're so pathetic , it's not even funny!
You didn't even read what I posted, did you?

In every case, Israel was the one who started the shooting.

Or do you think when shot at, people should just sit there and take it?

BTW, GR is a non-aligned, non-partisan, Canadian website.
 
Only an inhuman piece of shit with no knowledge of international law, would think that.
You really are a major piece of shit!
You and your ass-licking terrorists brown tongue is the only reason why you see everyone as 'piece of shit', you can keep gathering all the BILLO-SHIT fake evidences to promote your lies, I just hope one day you'll meet the terrorists you admire so badly face to face, and experience the way they treat infidel like you, filth.
 
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That is absolutely NOT an answer to the question.

I want to know why Israel considered it a justified response to the unified government that they perpetrated an act of war on the people of Gaza - the embargo, the confiscation of payroll of tens of thousands of citizens, the denial of fishing rights, the bulldozing of thousands of West Bank homes, etc.

Aid??? Do NOT pretend that is an answer.

$100 million spent on a tunnel system from Gaza to Israel..... why do that unless, they intended to infiltrate Israel, in the still of the night like the little rats they are, to kill and take Israeli hostages. Stop the payrolls so that Hamas can't TAKE a decent chunk of the peoples pay for terrorist activities. They have a 3 mile limit, anything more and it makes SMUGGLING of weapons, and war supplies much easier to enter Gaza, and since we all know these rockets are launched from private homes, mosques, schools, and hospitals, a much deeper BUFFER ZONE is needed to make the IRON DOME more effective, as there will be MORE TIME for DEFENSIVE rockets to be launched with BETTER data to intercept the SCUMBAG, ******* , DOG KILLERS MISSILES, of the ******* Palestinians from killing even one INNOCENT ISRAELI CITIZEN!

Again! This is the reason we need to marginalize Hamas.

BUT, Israel attacked the citizens of Gaza because Hamas acceded to the unified government (how the heck many times does this need to be pointed out).

That is exactly what we should want - Hamas giving up control.

Yet Netanyahu attacked the citizens of Gaza, illegally as an act of war as well as collective punishment.

MY QUESTION IS WHY.

The ******* PALESTINIANS VOTED HAMAS into power.... They are now learning the outcome of their stupidity! ......

Listening to Aaron Klein Investigative Radio, he's stating that NOW MEDIA people that were in Palestine, and claiming Israel was to blame for attacks, are now RECANTING their stories, saying they were threatened by Hamas, and pointing out that missile sites were set up NEXT TO THEIR HOTEL OVER NIGHT and missiles were launched from there!....Don't believe me, go tomorrow to Klein's PODCAST and listen for yourselves! OR...

CAMERA Snapshots: Israeli Missile Targets Rockets Launched From Field Next to Hotel

Indian TV Reporter Films Hamas Launching Missiles Outside Gaza Hotel Minutes Before Cease-Fire (VIDEO) | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.com

CAMERA: On U.S. Radio, BBC Reporter Misinforms to Defend Hamas Use of Human Shields
 
Posters rant about war crimes but in comparison to other conflicts, even to hamas' actions, Israel is trying to prevent civilian harm.
Israel should not martyr their state or the security of their citizens while trying to minimize collateral damage defending against rockets, bombings and attacks through illegal tunnels.
1900 lives, more than half were adult male or fighter, during the course of the last month. ISIS bombs and kills 60+ at a time, behead children, hang, crucify or tear bodies apart. They eat raw organs and consume blood. They bury alive 500 in one day.
Hamas uses schools, mosques and UN building to store weapons and to fire their rockets from. They chain innocents on roofs that are likely to be targeted to increase the death toll. Their rockets have fallen sort and killed their own people in shelters. They assemble bombs in civilian building with "work" accidents kill women and children. They intentionally increase the suffering of their people for propaganda purposes.
How is Israel singled out and accused of war crimes when the world around Israel is so brutal and cruel, abusing women, children and the defenseless as sacrificial, expendable, less than kafir, disposable life forms rather than valuable and cherished members of the family and community that should be protected, nurtured, taught to strive for peace through negotiations and non-violence. Taught to pactice Islam as a religion of peace, brotherhood and tolerance of other sects and of other people of the "book". Taught to build rather than destroy.







>>Israel’s Conduct in Gaza Is a Model for Other Nations
Peter Wehner 08.07.2014 - 12:45 PM

During his press conference yesterday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was once again asked whether Israel had acted with enough care in responding to the attacks by Hamas (h/t to Scott Johnson of Powerlineblog.com).

“Do you feel your actions, Israel’s actions, were proportionate?,” he was asked. “And were you using the appropriate precision weapons, even if Hamas is using [innocent Palestinians] as human shields?”

Prime Minister Netanyahu gives an exquisite response, pointing out that Israel has gone to extraordinary lengths to avoid civilian casualties while Hamas has gone to extraordinary lengths to ensure civilian casualties. And Mr. Netanyahu then posed a question to the journalist. What would you do in a similar situation, in which your nation was being attacked by 3,500 rockets and your territory was being infiltrated by terrorist death squads?

Which got me to thinking about how Israel has acted versus how other nations, including admirable nations, have acted during wartime. And so I went back and read an account from World War II which is worth considering in the context of how Israel has conducted itself in its war with Hamas.

This story comes from the BBC on February 14, 1945:

British and US bombers have dropped hundreds of thousands of explosives on the German city of Dresden… Last night, 800 RAF Bomber Command planes let loose 650,000 incendiaries and 8,000lb of high explosives and hundreds of 4,000lb bombs in two waves of attack. They faced very little anti-aircraft fire.

As soon as one part of the city was alight, the bombers went for another until the whole of Dresden was ablaze.

“There were fires everywhere with a terrific concentration in the centre of the city,” said one Pathfinder pilot.

The contemporary BBC, in putting the firebombing of Dresden in context, said this:

The attack was authorised by British Air Chief Marshal Sir Arthur Harris, known as “Bomber Harris” for his enthusiastic support of the area bombing strategy. The idea was to target large urban areas to whittle away at German public morale, cut off relief supplies to the eastern front and give support to the approaching Soviet armies.

According to this analysis found at History.com:

On the evening of February 13, 1945, a series of Allied firebombing raids begins against the German city of Dresden, reducing the “Florence of the Elbe” to rubble and flames, and killing as many as 135,000 people. It was the single most destructive bombing of the war—including Hiroshima and Nagasaki—and all the more horrendous because little, if anything, was accomplished strategically, since the Germans were already on the verge of surrender… More than 3,400 tons of explosives were dropped on the city by 800 American and British aircraft. The firestorm created by the two days of bombing set the city burning for many more days, littering the streets with charred corpses, including many children.

My point in raising this isn’t to condemn Great Britain (or the United States) for what it did in Dresden, though the morality of firebombing Dresden is certainly fair to debate. My point, rather, is that in war, terrible things happen. In war, innocent people die. In war, victorious nations–even the most humane nations–make mistakes. Civilian casualties happen in every conflict; and in the history of war, atrocities by the victorious side are the norm. Of course they shouldn’t be excused; but neither should we judge wartime acts without any understanding of the circumstances of the time, at a safe distance, writing from a keyboard when the main hassle of the day is rush hour traffic. The morality of war is a terribly complicated matter to sort through.

What is so unusual when it comes to Israel is that by historical standards it has conducted itself in its conflict with Hamas (to say nothing of past conflicts) with remarkable care and decency. I’m not sure there are many parallels to it. (America’s conduct in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has been similar, I think, to the care taken by Israel in Gaza.) Israel could have decimated Gaza and Hamas within hours, causing far more civilian deaths. It chose a far more humane, and historically rare, option. For much of the world and much of the Western media, then, to judge Israel harshly for how it’s acted in not only wrong; it is historically ignorant and morally obtuse.

The way Israel has handled itself in this conflict is a model for other nations to follow; and the fact that Israel is on the receiving end of venomous attacks is evidence of dark and ugly impulses that need to be named.<<
 
No questions need to be asked before we all understand each side entirely, later on you can discuss about the events and turns.
That answer the first why..if I got it correctly you relate to the pre-operation assaults.
Hamas-Fatah Unified Government deserve to sit in jail or die for the past terrorist acts, the fact they decided to make pact just clearing any doubt about their-call it- 'goal' of eliminating Israel, any means necessary.
Out of 1800 fatalities only 700 were innocent only..1,100 terrorists 95% of them with weapon in hand, based on evidence gathered IDF made excellent work, and the unfortunate Gazans pay for their pride and arrogance while electing Hamas/Fatah in the past, and taking active/passive part with their 'noble goal'..
The unified government has no seats occupied by terrorists - specifically, there are no seats occupied by any Hamas member. The government is headed by Abbas, who has been a trusted partner with Israel on security in the West Bank.

A founding principle of that government is Israel's permanence - something Hamas agreed to when they acceded to this government.

Not only that, but the prime minister of Gaza who was elected in 2006 (and is Hamas) stated clearly that Israel has full rights of permanence. Gaza did NOT elect leadership that was working for Israel's removal. So, you are just plain wrong on that, too.

I want to know why Israel attacked Gaza. I want to know why they put in place draconian collective punishment against civilian citizens both in Gaza and in West Bank as a reaction to the unity government.

Don't give me your phony body count nonsense - I want to know why Israel attacked Gaza.
 

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