How Israel Used Its Own Civilians as Human Shields While Assaulting Gaza

[HereWeGoAgain]

As with most Israeli claims, saying Hamas is using human shields, is just another one of their projections onto others.

Within one of Tel Aviv’s most densely populated neighborhoods sits Ha’Kirya, the army’s headquarters, a gigantic complex of monolithic buildings that house the offices where attacks on Gaza are planned. The uniformed officers and soldiers who work inside take lunch in the cafes and shop in the malls surrounding their offices, embedding themselves among the civilian population. A military base is nestled in the middle of the campus of Haifa University while Hebrew and Tel Aviv Universities offer military officers free tuition, encouraging their enrollment and allowing them to carry weapons on campus. It is hard to find a henhouse, flophouse, or fieldhouse anywhere in Israel without some kind of military presence.

In addition to that...

Not only do Israel’s southern communities exist under the threat of rocket and mortar attacks from those they displaced, they are routinely used as shelters and temporary bases by the Israeli army.

Since the Israeli military is so intertwined among those communities, does that make the citizens there legal targets?

What a dumbass....
Do you actually think Ham Ass knows where their rockets are going to land?
They're nothing more than large bottle rockets with a warhead tacked on.

 

[Billo_Really]

Finally you talk about direct case, here some questions I would like to ask.
1.Is there any evidence? If there is, where can I find it?
Before I line my questions I would like to see if there any evidence, they mentioned a tape..can you find such tape?

Click on the god-damn link I provided and see for yourself.

I have no intention of gift wrapping the information for you, in a shiny box with a big red bow on it.

 

[Billo_Really]

What a dumbass....
Do you actually think Ham Ass knows where their rockets are going to land?
They're nothing more than large bottle rockets with a warhead tacked on.

WTF are you talking about?

That has nothing to do with the OP.

 

[toastman]

Looks like Billo is not done making a fool out of himself

 

[docmauser1]

Israeli Officer's Insane Justification for Killing a 13-Year-Old Girl[/FONT]An Israeli army officer who repeatedly shot a 13-year-old Palestinian girl in Gaza dismissed a warning from another soldier that she was a child by saying he would have killed her even if she was three years old.

That altershit.org is 9 years late with that crap, of course, and Chris McGreal has been a smelly jerk waayyy longer. Wonder if he has become jerkier recently. But, back to our sheep. What was Iman al-Hamas doing in the closed border zone in Rafiah, trolling the military? No doubt, hamass used her for gathering intelligence, and getting her killed was most definitely a bonus. But what transgressions did she perpetrate to get sent there? "Purification of the family honor" was urgently due for sure.

 

[RoccoR]

Billo_Really, et al,

All the previous military installations you've mention in Israel are valid military targets. But they are not an example of "human shielding." They are not launching or firing at all.

What a dumbass....
Do you actually think Ham Ass knows where their rockets are going to land?
They're nothing more than large bottle rockets with a warhead tacked on.

WTF are you talking about?

That has nothing to do with the OP.

(COMMENT)

The shield and the combatant have a relationship in space and proximity. The HAMAS rocket and mortar team is shielded when that take-up a firing position in which the returning fire will likely hit the shield.

None of the Israeli facilities you mentioned in the OP have a relationship in space and proximity between the IDF firing into GAZA and shield. In fact, none of the facilities you mentioned in the OP are even on the battlefield.

Now, if you can find me a Israeli Battalion HQ on the Battlefield that is hidden among the Palestinian population --- that would be different.

Otherwise, your trying to make something out of nothing.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[polarbear]

Billo_Really, et al,

All the previous military installations you've mention in Israel are valid military targets. But they are not an example of "human shielding." They are not launching or firing at all.

What a dumbass....
Do you actually think Ham Ass knows where their rockets are going to land?
They're nothing more than large bottle rockets with a warhead tacked on.

WTF are you talking about?

That has nothing to do with the OP.

(COMMENT)

The shield and the combatant have a relationship in space and proximity. The HAMAS rocket and mortar team is shielded when that take-up a firing position in which the returning fire will likely hit the shield.

None of the Israeli facilities you mentioned in the OP have a relationship in space and proximity between the IDF firing into GAZA and shield. In fact, none of the facilities you mentioned in the OP are even on the battlefield.

Now, if you can find me a Israeli Battalion HQ on the Battlefield that is hidden among the Palestinian population --- that would be different.

Otherwise, your trying to make something out of nothing.

Most Respectfully,
R

Okay, but do tell me why the IDF drops 2000 lbs bombs into a highly populated area like Gaza.
There is no way that there won`t be any so called "human shields" casualties on a massive scale if you drop massive bombs like that on a city!
They could use 500 lbs bombs which would kill way less "human shields".
This is not a 500 lbs bomb crater, it was at least the equivalent of a pair of Mark 84`s, ~ 4000 lbs !!!

This is what a 500 lbs bomb impact looks like:


If the IDF just wanted to take out what they claim to target that would be more than enough, but that isn`t the point is it?
Now that you know what a 500 lbs bomb can do you don`t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out how much Israel exaggerates the Hamas rocket "threat", these rockets have a maximum payload of about 20 lbs.
And many of the Hamas rockets have their payload removed to increase the range.
As long as Israel has to use interceptor rockets that cost ~ $ 60 000 each as a countermeasure they don`t need any explosives payload and as long as Hamas keeps launching them some folks in Israel are raking in a lot of cash, courtesy of the US tax payer.
But also, as long as there are enough people who don`t have a clue about explosives etc and keep buying that "human shield" b.s. it`s okay to drop 2000 lbs bombs on a "Hamas rocket launching site" and while you are at it, take out a few schools and Hospitals with it, quite "accidentally" of course and "regret" it later.
"Human shields" is a propaganda slogan and a quaint way to trivialize the killing of women and children.
Kerry`s sarcastic "heel of a pin point operation" remark made it pretty clear how the current WH admin evaluates the IDF`s asymmetric warfare and there is no way the US would have dropped > 500 lbs bombs in the middle of Baghdad which is way less densely populated than Gaza city.

 

[Billo_Really]

All the previous military installations you've mention in Israel are valid military targets. But they are not an example of "human shielding." They are not launching or firing at all.

That's not the definition of a "human shield".

This is...

Definition of human shields
using the presence (or movements) of civilians or other protected persons to render certain points or areas (or military forces) immune from military operations

Which means anywhere you place military personnel or military assets, in close proximity to civilians or civilian infrastructure, you are using those civilians as human shields.

You don't have to be physically firing behind someone to qualify as a "human shield" crime. So stop trying to move the goal posts.

The shield and the combatant have a relationship in space and proximity. The HAMAS rocket and mortar team is shielded when that take-up a firing position in which the returning fire will likely hit the shield.

That occurred less than 10% of the time.

None of the Israeli facilities you mentioned in the OP have a relationship in space and proximity between the IDF firing into GAZA and shield. In fact, none of the facilities you mentioned in the OP are even on the battlefield.

They're next to it. Immediately adjacent to it.

Now, if you can find me a Israeli Battalion HQ on the Battlefield that is hidden among the Palestinian population --- that would be different.

Don't need to. The definition does not require the presence of a battalion near civilians.

Otherwise, your trying to make something out of nothing.

I think you're trying to make nothing out of something.

 

[RoccoR]

Billo_Really, et al,

I'm not moving the goal posts at all.

Otherwise, your trying to make something out of nothing.

I think you're trying to make nothing out of something.

(COMMENT)

You are trying to dismiss through inference and example that HAMAS missile firings from densely populated areas are no more in violation of the Human Shield than any IDF facility in Tel Aviv. That is wrong, entirely wrong.

It can be concluded that the use of human shields requires an intentional co-location of military objectives and civilians or persons hors de combat with the specific intent of trying to prevent the targeting of those military objectives.

SOURCE: Definition of human shields

We conclude that in the case of HAMAS, setting up tents next to Hospital, Safety, and Neutral Zones or UN Facilities to protect non-combatants, was an intentional co-location of military objectives and civilians or persons hors de combat with the specific intent of trying to prevent the targeting. Whereas, the facilities you identified in the OP do not have the same intention behind their location.

What really bothers me is that those people how support HAMAS, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and the likes of the al-Qassam Brigades, spend more time attempt to justify their criminal intent and continuation of the conflict, rather than adjust their behaviors and work towards some peaceful settlement.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

All the previous military installations you've mention in Israel are valid military targets. But they are not an example of "human shielding." They are not launching or firing at all.

That's not the definition of a "human shield".

This is...

Definition of human shields
using the presence (or movements) of civilians or other protected persons to render certain points or areas (or military forces) immune from military operations

Which means anywhere you place military personnel or military assets, in close proximity to civilians or civilian infrastructure, you are using those civilians as human shields.

You don't have to be physically firing behind someone to qualify as a "human shield" crime. So stop trying to move the goal posts.

That occurred less than 10% of the time.

They're next to it. Immediately adjacent to it.

Now, if you can find me a Israeli Battalion HQ on the Battlefield that is hidden among the Palestinian population --- that would be different.

Don't need to. The definition does not require the presence of a battalion near civilians.

Otherwise, your trying to make something out of nothing.

I think you're trying to make nothing out of something.

It wasn't bad enough that you made a fool out of yourself by starting this dumbass thread, you have to keep trying to justify your stupidity with a post like this?

 

[Billo_Really]

It wasn't bad enough that you made a fool out of yourself by starting this dumbass thread, you have to keep trying to justify your stupidity with a post like this?

And just why is it stupid?

 

[Billo_Really]

I'm not moving the goal posts at all.

You're right, you're not moving them; you're trying to, but I ain't gonna let ya.

You are trying to dismiss through inference and example that HAMAS missile firings from densely populated areas are no more in violation of the Human Shield than any IDF facility in Tel Aviv. That is wrong, entirely wrong.

Nice strawman.

We conclude that in the case of HAMAS, setting up tents next to Hospital, Safety, and Neutral Zones or UN Facilities to protect non-combatants, was an intentional co-location of military objectives and civilians or persons hors de combat with the specific intent of trying to prevent the targeting. Whereas, the facilities you identified in the OP do not have the same intention behind their location.

How do you know what the intention is? Placing a command center (for planning attacks) in a town adjacent to Gaza, is the same thing as placing a tent next to a UN facility. And coming back to that town for another "Operation", while all the residents leave temporarily, thus making it a ghost town, shows they don't appreciate you making them human shields.

You people got this real "holier than thou" complex that you need to shit can! You ain't no better than anyone else and you definitely don't do things differently than anyone else. So stop this phony façade that you do!

What really bothers me is that those people how support HAMAS, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and the likes of the al-Qassam Brigades, spend more time attempt to justify their criminal intent and continuation of the conflict, rather than adjust their behaviors and work towards some peaceful settlement.

Seeing how you're the ones who've been carrying on a 47 year occupation of land that isn't yours, deliberately making the Palestinian's daily life a living hell, shooting at them while the fish, shooting at them while they farm, starting wars when they even attempt to do something diplomatic, that statement better fits you and the Israei's, more than it does Hamas and their factions.

A population under occupation can only do what the occupying power allows them to do.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[toastman]

It wasn't bad enough that you made a fool out of yourself by starting this dumbass thread, you have to keep tro justify your stupidity with a post like this?

And just why is it stupid?

I already explained that in this thread. Check a few pages back.

 

[Billo_Really]

I already explained that in this thread. Check a few pages back.

I've read all your posts and I didn't see any explanation.

What number was it?

 

[toastman]

I already explained that in this thread. Check a few pages back.

I've read all your posts and I didn't see any explanation.

What number was it?

In post 19 I explained in detail what we mean when we say that Hamas used human shields.
Read it and you will see that there is no comparison to the crap you're trying to prove...

 

[Roudy]

Oh so Israel shoots rockets from schools, synagogue, and apartment buildings like Hamas animals do.

Ha ha ha. You're an ignorant moron as usual trying to make false comparisons and promoting total falsehoods, using bullshit websites like "alternet".

Hey did you know the aliens have invaded earth?

 

[Billo_Really]

In post 19 I explained in detail what we mean when we say that Hamas used human shields.
Read it and you will see that there is no comparison to the crap you're trying to prove...

I went back and read it. Your "explanations", are just hypotheticals, not proof!

When Hamas launches rockets from a civilian building, Israeli artillery has the technology to launch shells to where the fire came from (which Hamas knows).

I've not seen any rockets being launched from civilian buildings. That's just conjecture on your part. You need to show evidence they have.

And if what you say is true about the accuracy of their artillery, then why is it, they shelled the al Wafu hospital that was a 100 meters from where the rockets went off?

When Hamas stores their weapons in civilian buildings, UN buildings, Israeli warplanes combined with intelligence can hit those targets. In both cases, civilians will get hit.

Storing weapons does not make them a legal target. There has to be an imminent threat to military personnel. And a stored weapon is not an imminent threat.

Since Hamas is very familiar with how Israel retaliates, they are using the civilians in the above examples as human shields.

That's conjecture. That's what YOU think, Hamas thinks. It doesn't prove jack shit!

Of course Hamas would never store their weapons or fire their rockets from open areas.

Who the **** in their right mind, would do that?

You don't get out much, do you?

That would make Israel's job so easy, and their would be no dead Palestinians to parade in front of news cameras.

Bullshit! Israel deliberately targets innocent civilians.

 

[Billo_Really]

Oh so Israel shoots rockets from schools, synagogue, and apartment buildings like Hamas animals do.

Ha ha ha. You're an ignorant moron as usual trying to make false comparisons and promoting total falsehoods, using bullshit websites like "alternet".

Hey did you know the aliens have invaded earth?

You'd probably believe that, since it's obvious you still think ad hominems are valid rebuttals.

BTW, embedding a command center in the middle of a town next to the Gaza border, is using the towns residents as human shields, you ******* hypocrite!

 

[toastman]

Oh so Israel shoots rockets from schools, synagogue, and apartment buildings like Hamas animals do.

Ha ha ha. You're an ignorant moron as usual trying to make false comparisons and promoting total falsehoods, using bullshit websites like "alternet".

Hey did you know the aliens have invaded earth?

You'd probably believe that, since it's obvious you still think ad hominems are valid rebuttals.

BTW, embedding a command center in the middle of a town next to the Gaza border, is using the towns residents as human shields, you ******* hypocrite!

Are you so fuckin stupid that you cannot understand the simple fact that Hamas does not have guidance weapons on their missiles?? They cannot return fire to a command center that has fired on them.
This entire thread has been a total failure. If I were you, I would delete it pronto before kore people see it.
Or leave it so we can be entertained by your stupid posts in here