How Israel Used Its Own Civilians as Human Shields While Assaulting Gaza

[toastman]

That is curious Kondor. By that reckoning Hamas, when it fires rockets is not at risk of hitting ANY civilians in Israel. According to you.

Or, there is risk.

There is simply a laughable lack of accuracy, which renders the attempted comparison of shielding against intentionally-targeted munitions fire comedic.

The risk being that a rocket is aimed at Village A but ends-up hitting Village B, or an open-field a few K's from town.

So what's the excuse for those ever so accurate bombing runs into Gaza hitting schools and hospitals?

IDF Has the capability to take out targets very accurately yet still manages to kills a great many civilians...

Please don't come back with Hamas Human Shield...

The only way you can say they killed a lot of civilians is if you calculate how many separate attacks Israel did and divide it with how many civilians were killed.

Fir example, if Israel only launched 10 artillery shells, but killed 1000 Palestinians, then that's pretty bad accuracy.
Bit the fact is that Israel launched thousands of separate shells, bombs, missiles in a condensed area like Gaza.

 

[RoccoR]

Billo_Really; et al,

This is just some additional crybaby talk.

As with most Israeli claims, saying Hamas is using human shields, is just another one of their projections onto others.

Within one of Tel Aviv’s most densely populated neighborhoods sits Ha’Kirya, the army’s headquarters, a gigantic complex of monolithic buildings that house the offices where attacks on Gaza are planned. The uniformed officers and soldiers who work inside take lunch in the cafes and shop in the malls surrounding their offices, embedding themselves among the civilian population. A military base is nestled in the middle of the campus of Haifa University while Hebrew and Tel Aviv Universities offer military officers free tuition, encouraging their enrollment and allowing them to carry weapons on campus. It is hard to find a henhouse, flophouse, or fieldhouse anywhere in Israel without some kind of military presence.

In addition to that...

Not only do Israel’s southern communities exist under the threat of rocket and mortar attacks from those they displaced, they are routinely used as shelters and temporary bases by the Israeli army.

Since the Israeli military is so intertwined among those communities, does that make the citizens there legal targets?

(COMMENT)

None of the facilities mentioned are off the target list. And all can be attacked with the minimum number of casualties inflicted upon the civilian population.

You will notice that none of the facilities are marked as hospital, safe or neutral zones. And you will notice that the IDF does not use UN or Red Cross vehicles, ambulances or other humanitarian protected resources to transport non-medical or humanitarian material or personnel. Nor does the IDF launch rockets or fire artillery from hospital, safe or neutral zones.

This allegation is unfounded.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Vigilante]

Oh shit, just do it Israel, and get rid of the ******* problem once and for all!

 

[Billo_Really]

This is just some additional crybaby talk.

None of the facilities mentioned are off the target list. And all can be attacked with the minimum number of casualties inflicted upon the civilian population.

You will notice that none of the facilities are marked as hospital, safe or neutral zones. And you will notice that the IDF does not use UN or Red Cross vehicles, ambulances or other humanitarian protected resources to transport non-medical or humanitarian material or personnel. Nor does the IDF launch rockets or fire artillery from hospital, safe or neutral zones.

Many people around here have claimed Hamas uses human shields by hiding amongst Gaza's citizens. I'm just pointing out, Israel does the same thing by embedding their military amongst its citizens as well.

This allegation is unfounded.

Are you saying these military facilities don't exist in the locations I stated?

Most Respectfully,

You call me a "crybaby" and end your post with that?

Boy, are you delusional!

 

[Indeependent]

This is just some additional crybaby talk.

None of the facilities mentioned are off the target list. And all can be attacked with the minimum number of casualties inflicted upon the civilian population.

You will notice that none of the facilities are marked as hospital, safe or neutral zones. And you will notice that the IDF does not use UN or Red Cross vehicles, ambulances or other humanitarian protected resources to transport non-medical or humanitarian material or personnel. Nor does the IDF launch rockets or fire artillery from hospital, safe or neutral zones.

Many people around here have claimed Hamas uses human shields by hiding amongst Gaza's citizens. I'm just pointing out, Israel does the same thing by embedding their military amongst its citizens as well.

This allegation is unfounded.

Are you saying these military facilities don't exist in the locations I stated?

Most Respectfully,

You call me a "crybaby" and end your post with that?

Boy, are you delusional!

Not poetry, prose...
You and Beelzebub are complete ******* idiots as Israel do NOT fire missiles from people's residences.
Are you disturbed by post-Galus Jews kicking ass like the pre-Roman Conquest days?
You sure as hell are.
Guess what? Tough shit.
End of prose.

 

[Billo_Really]

That's interesting Bill.

So the IDF are using those civilians as an extra layer of protection, so they can complain about risks to civilians if ever Hamas decides to attack?

Luckily, Hamas are more moral than the IDF and would only wait for the IDF to come to clear ground in Gaza, away from Israeli civilians.

Did you know that Hamas are the most moral army in the world?

And they've proven it when you compare the victims of both sides.

The IDF has killed over 1700 people, 80% of them are innocent civilians, 300 of which, are children.

In contrast,

the Qassam Brigades have killed 65 Israeli soldiers, two Israeli civilians, one Thai worker, and wounded a kibbutz owl.

 

[Billo_Really]

Not poetry, prose...
You and Beelzebub are complete ******* idiots as Israel do NOT fire missiles from people's residences.
Are you disturbed by post-Galus Jews kicking ass like the pre-Roman Conquest days?
You sure as hell are.
Guess what? Tough shit.
End of prose.

Stop trying to move the goal posts.

 

[SAYIT]

That's interesting Bill.

So the IDF are using those civilians as an extra layer of protection, so they can complain about risks to civilians if ever Hamas decides to attack?

Luckily, Hamas are more moral than the IDF and would only wait for the IDF to come to clear ground in Gaza, away from Israeli civilians.

Did you know that Hamas are the most moral army in the world?

And they've proven it when you compare the victims of both sides.

The IDF has killed over 1700 people, 80% of them are innocent civilians, 300 of which, are children.

In contrast,

the Qassam Brigades have killed 65 Israeli soldiers, two Israeli civilians, one Thai worker, and wounded a kibbutz owl.

The message to Hamas and those hapless Arab "refugees" should be crystal clear yet Hamas says without Israeli capitulation they will resume their self-destructive actions within hours. Stupid but I guess that's what peeps like you dig about them. They manage to make you feel smart which is no easy task.

 

[I.P.Freely]

Billo_Really; et al,

This is just some additional crybaby talk.

As with most Israeli claims, saying Hamas is using human shields, is just another one of their projections onto others.

Within one of Tel Aviv’s most densely populated neighborhoods sits Ha’Kirya, the army’s headquarters, a gigantic complex of monolithic buildings that house the offices where attacks on Gaza are planned. The uniformed officers and soldiers who work inside take lunch in the cafes and shop in the malls surrounding their offices, embedding themselves among the civilian population. A military base is nestled in the middle of the campus of Haifa University while Hebrew and Tel Aviv Universities offer military officers free tuition, encouraging their enrollment and allowing them to carry weapons on campus. It is hard to find a henhouse, flophouse, or fieldhouse anywhere in Israel without some kind of military presence.

In addition to that...

Not only do Israel’s southern communities exist under the threat of rocket and mortar attacks from those they displaced, they are routinely used as shelters and temporary bases by the Israeli army.

Since the Israeli military is so intertwined among those communities, does that make the citizens there legal targets?

(COMMENT)

None of the facilities mentioned are off the target list. And all can be attacked with the minimum number of casualties inflicted upon the civilian population.

You will notice that none of the facilities are marked as hospital, safe or neutral zones. And you will notice that the IDF does not use UN or Red Cross vehicles, ambulances or other humanitarian protected resources to transport non-medical or humanitarian material or personnel. Nor does the IDF launch rockets or fire artillery from hospital, safe or neutral zones.

This allegation is unfounded.

Most Respectfully,
R

I'm sure that you would join me in hoping the Palestinians will sign for ICC membership, this will allow both sides to be investigated for war crimes.The ICC remit will start from about 2002.
Personally I hope Bibi lobbying of America to try and scupper the process is not an indication of guilt.

 

[Billo_Really]

The message to Hamas and those hapless Arab "refugees" should be crystal clear yet Hamas says without Israeli capitulation they will resume their self-destructive actions within hours. Stupid but I guess that's what peeps like you dig about them. They manage to make you feel smart which is no easy task.

You guess a lot.

 

[Beelzebub]

Hamas are insisting on the blockade being lifted.

They are right to insist on this. It is inhuman of Israel to incarcerate 1.8 million people for over 7 years in an open prison. To limit their calorific intake. To squeeze them into just over half the land. To shoot unarmed people just because they are in a zone. To destroy their infrastructure, schools, hospitals, utilities. To limit building materials. To allow less water in than the international minimum per person. To prevent commerce. To kill men trying to fish to feed people. To control the airspace and bomb and assassinate at will.

Clearly the international community will allow Israel to continue to do this indefinitely. Gazans must help themselves, and future generations and insist Israel doesn't continue its inhumanity.

Israel is the rapist. The pathetic rockets that Hamas throw at Israel in defiance are just the scratches on the face of the rapist.

 

[toastman]

This is just some additional crybaby talk.

None of the facilities mentioned are off the target list. And all can be attacked with the minimum number of casualties inflicted upon the civilian population.

You will notice that none of the facilities are marked as hospital, safe or neutral zones. And you will notice that the IDF does not use UN or Red Cross vehicles, ambulances or other humanitarian protected resources to transport non-medical or humanitarian material or personnel. Nor does the IDF launch rockets or fire artillery from hospital, safe or neutral zones.

Many people around here have claimed Hamas uses human shields by hiding amongst Gaza's citizens. I'm just pointing out, Israel does the same thing by embedding their military amongst its citizens as well.

This allegation is unfounded.

Are you saying these military facilities don't exist in the locations I stated?

Most Respectfully,

You call me a "crybaby" and end your post with that?

Boy, are you delusional!

All of his posts end like that you demented leftist. Only a piece of shit would complain about someone ending their post with 'most respectfully'.

Also, you didn't prove that Israel uses human shields like Hamas, as I explained in the thread you started. What you did prove is that you're an idiot who resorts to ridiculous comparisons.
Fail!

 

[toastman]

Hamas are insisting on the blockade being lifted.

They are right to insist on this. It is inhuman of Israel to incarcerate 1.8 million people for over 7 years in an open prison. To limit their calorific intake. To squeeze them into just over half the land. To shoot unarmed people just because they are in a zone. To destroy their infrastructure, schools, hospitals, utilities. To limit building materials. To allow less water in than the international minimum per person. To prevent commerce. To kill men trying to fish to feed people. To control the airspace and bomb and assassinate at will.

Clearly the international community will allow Israel to continue to do this indefinitely. Gazans must help themselves, and future generations and insist Israel does not.

Israel is the rapist. The pathetic rockets that Hamas throw at Israel in defiance and just the scratches on the face of the rapist.

Hamas is the rapist. Rapist of Gaza. And those 'pathetic rockets' that they launch at Israel is a big reason why Gaza gets attacked.
It's incredible that you seem to ignore this simple fact.

 

[Beelzebub]

Israel was attacking Gaza long before Hamas existed. Even long before they had rockets.

And Israel created Hamas.

 

[toastman]

Hamas are insisting on the blockade being lifted.

They are right to insist on this. It is inhuman of Israel to incarcerate 1.8 million people for over 7 years in an open prison. To limit their calorific intake. To squeeze them into just over half the land. To shoot unarmed people just because they are in a zone. To destroy their infrastructure, schools, hospitals, utilities. To limit building materials. To allow less water in than the international minimum per person. To prevent commerce. To kill men trying to fish to feed people. To control the airspace and bomb and assassinate at will.

Clearly the international community will allow Israel to continue to do this indefinitely. Gazans must help themselves, and future generations and insist Israel does not.

Israel is the rapist. The pathetic rockets that Hamas throw at Israel in defiance and just the scratches on the face of the rapist.

Hamas is the rapist. Rapist of Gaza. And those 'pathetic rockets' that they launch at Israel is a big reason why Gaza gets attacked.
It's incredible that you seem to ignore this simple fact.

 

[toastman]

Israel was attacking Gaza long before Hamas existed. Even long before they had rockets.

And Israel created Hamas.

What attacks are you talking about? You need to be more specific and provide links.

 

[Beelzebub]

Idiot.

Don't tell me what I need.
If you are too idiotic to know that those are completely public open knowledge, and are incapable of using google, don't visit your stupidity on me.

 

[toastman]

Idiot.

Don't tell me what I need.
If you are too idiotic to know that those are completely public open knowledge, and are incapable of using google, don't visit your stupidity on me.

EXACTLY what I thought. More lies from Beezle.

It's possible that Israel did attack Gaza before Hamas, and if they did you can bet there was a reason for it.

But judging by your angry response, it's obvious you weren't expecting to call me out on your claim....

 

[Beelzebub]

You didn't.

You just asked me to work as your unpaid tutor.

Suck it up Zionist.

 

[Crystalclear]

Israel was attacking Gaza long before Hamas existed. Even long before they had rockets.

And Israel created Hamas.

No, the Arabs started several wars. In those wars, Israel attacked Gaza in self-defense, because weapons were coming in there from Egypt and it was a good place to invade Israel. After those wars the blockade was necessary to protect Israel from the Arabs and Gaza where also weapons were coming in.

The Arabs attacked Israel before Israel attacked the Arabs.