How do you explain a ordered universe without a Creator?

[Lutroo]

Simple question, really. Why do so many people have a problem with it? Think about it. Order cannot come from chaos. At least not in this universe. Every bit of scientific knowledge we possess says it just can't happen. The universe is extremely ordered. It also contains vast amounts of information. Information has one source. Intelligence. Earthly intelligence is also the result of information. Can you say catch 22? This proves that information has a source that is outside this universe. What is this source? I believe that it is God. Can you come up with any other explanation?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Simple question, really. Why do so many people have a problem with it? Think about it. Order cannot come from chaos. At least not in this universe. Every bit of scientific knowledge we possess says it just can't happen. The universe is extremely ordered. It also contains vast amounts of information. Information has one source. Intelligence. Earthly intelligence is also the result of information. Can you say catch 22? This proves that information has a source that is outside this universe. What is this source? I believe that it is God. Can you come up with any other explanation?

This fails as an appeal to ignorance fallacy.

 

[Lutroo]

Simple question, really. Why do so many people have a problem with it? Think about it. Order cannot come from chaos. At least not in this universe. Every bit of scientific knowledge we possess says it just can't happen. The universe is extremely ordered. It also contains vast amounts of information. Information has one source. Intelligence. Earthly intelligence is also the result of information. Can you say catch 22? This proves that information has a source that is outside this universe. What is this source? I believe that it is God. Can you come up with any other explanation?

This fails as an appeal to ignorance fallacy.

How so? Can you explain how information can exist without intelligence? Information is the result of intelligence. There is no other explanation for it's existence.

 

[Grandma]

@Th'Mods - why is there no "dumb" button in this forum?

 

[Lutroo]

@Th'Mods - why is there no "dumb" button in this forum?

Insults? Would you care to attempt some form of logical argument next time? It would tend to help convince others that you are not a complete imbecile.

 

[Moonglow]

How do you explain a ordered universe without a Creator?

What makes you think it is orderly?? There is repetition and cycles, yet dangers abound....

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

You know. Stuff just happens.

 

[Moonglow]

If it was orderly we'd know what to expect, but Nooooooooooooooooo! there are radicals in the equation...

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

How do you explain a ordered universe without a Creator?

What makes you think it is orderly??

Regular bowel movements. Not an arbitrary development.

 

[Moonglow]

How do you explain a ordered universe without a Creator?

What makes you think it is orderly??

Regular bowel movements. Not an arbitrary development.

They regularly happen when in the middle of something..

 

[Lutroo]

How do you explain a ordered universe without a Creator?

What makes you think it is orderly?? There is repetition and cycles, yet dangers abound....

Ever hear of a little something called universal physical constants? There is a order to the universe that defies any naturalistic origin. Those physical constants, for example. They are finely tuned. If they were off by just a little bit, life would not exist. Depending on which one you pick, a slight shift would result in no universe at all. Now you might try to explain all of this by bringing up the anthropic principle, and multiple universes, but the truth is that you are grasping at straws.

 

[Moonglow]

How do you explain a ordered universe without a Creator?

What makes you think it is orderly?? There is repetition and cycles, yet dangers abound....

Ever hear of a little something called universal physical constants? There is a order to the universe that defies any naturalistic origin. Those physical constants, for example. They are finely tuned. If they were off by just a little bit, life would not exist. Depending on which one you pick, a slight shift would result in no universe at all. Now you might try to explain all of this by bringing up the anthropic principle, and multiple universes, but the truth is that you are grasping at straws.

There is a order to the universe that defies any naturalistic origin.

So God is not natural?

Those physical constants, for example. They are finely tuned. If they were off by just a little bit, life would not exist

In our solar system,1 out of 8 planets contain life, where is that constant?

 

[Lutroo]

How do you explain a ordered universe without a Creator?

What makes you think it is orderly?? There is repetition and cycles, yet dangers abound....

Ever hear of a little something called universal physical constants? There is a order to the universe that defies any naturalistic origin. Those physical constants, for example. They are finely tuned. If they were off by just a little bit, life would not exist. Depending on which one you pick, a slight shift would result in no universe at all. Now you might try to explain all of this by bringing up the anthropic principle, and multiple universes, but the truth is that you are grasping at straws.

There is a order to the universe that defies any naturalistic origin.

So God is not natural?

Those physical constants, for example. They are finely tuned. If they were off by just a little bit, life would not exist

In our solar system,1 out of 8 planets contain life, where is that constant?

Either you are trolling, or you are quite simply the dumbest person on the planet. Which is it?

 

[Moonglow]

How do you explain a ordered universe without a Creator?

What makes you think it is orderly?? There is repetition and cycles, yet dangers abound....

Ever hear of a little something called universal physical constants? There is a order to the universe that defies any naturalistic origin. Those physical constants, for example. They are finely tuned. If they were off by just a little bit, life would not exist. Depending on which one you pick, a slight shift would result in no universe at all. Now you might try to explain all of this by bringing up the anthropic principle, and multiple universes, but the truth is that you are grasping at straws.

There is a order to the universe that defies any naturalistic origin.

So God is not natural?

Those physical constants, for example. They are finely tuned. If they were off by just a little bit, life would not exist

In our solar system,1 out of 8 planets contain life, where is that constant?

Either you are trolling, or you are quite simply the dumbest person on the planet. Which is it?

I ask, you can't reply, I get it, your only making a statement, not posting a fact...

 

[Slyhunter]

Maybe our Universe isn't orderly.
Some rules exist and because of those rules certain things happen as a result. You know like the speed of light etc. But that doesn't mean someone created those rules, they just are.

 

[Lutroo]

Maybe our Universe isn't orderly.
Some rules exist and because of those rules certain things happen as a result. You know like the speed of light etc. But that doesn't mean someone created those rules, they just are.

If the universe was not orderly, then science would not exist. The scientific method relies on repeatable experiments. Without a ordered universe, this would not be possible.

 

[Moonglow]

Maybe our Universe isn't orderly.
Some rules exist and because of those rules certain things happen as a result. You know like the speed of light etc. But that doesn't mean someone created those rules, they just are.

If the universe was not orderly, then science would not exist. The scientific method relies on repeatable experiments. Without a ordered universe, this would not be possible.

Science proves truths through mathematical equations...

 

[Slyhunter]

Maybe our Universe isn't orderly.
Some rules exist and because of those rules certain things happen as a result. You know like the speed of light etc. But that doesn't mean someone created those rules, they just are.

If the universe was not orderly, then science would not exist. The scientific method relies on repeatable experiments. Without a ordered universe, this would not be possible.

Gravity, light speed, etc. is. The result of which is the Universe. The Chaotic Universe.

 

[Lutroo]

Maybe our Universe isn't orderly.
Some rules exist and because of those rules certain things happen as a result. You know like the speed of light etc. But that doesn't mean someone created those rules, they just are.

If the universe was not orderly, then science would not exist. The scientific method relies on repeatable experiments. Without a ordered universe, this would not be possible.

Gravity, light speed, etc. is. The result of which is the Universe. The Chaotic Universe.

And just how is the universe chaotic? Be specific.

 

[Moonglow]

Maybe our Universe isn't orderly.
Some rules exist and because of those rules certain things happen as a result. You know like the speed of light etc. But that doesn't mean someone created those rules, they just are.

If the universe was not orderly, then science would not exist. The scientific method relies on repeatable experiments. Without a ordered universe, this would not be possible.

Gravity, light speed, etc. is. The result of which is the Universe. The Chaotic Universe.

And just how is the universe chaotic? Be specific.

radical elements which can't be predicted..