How did one couple come to own & control the majority of water in California?

[ding]

We generate 7.5 Gigawatts annually along the Columbia/Snake Rivers ... easy to pump the water up to the High Desert out of The Dallas dam ... then just dump it in the Sacramento River headwaters ...

Though I'm not sure why growing more fuel reduces fire risk ... irrigate the chaparral and you'll have a bigger problem with fire ... it was the heavy rains from last year that brought on this fire hazard ...

Not really suggesting we water the chaparral. Just saying where it makes sense to interconnect water systems the better off we will be down the road when water does become scarce.

Aqueducts are probably better solutions than pipelines but all tools should be in the tool belt. Desalinization still needs a way to move water.

 

[Rawley]

We generate 7.5 Gigawatts annually along the Columbia/Snake River

Our Governor is blowing up dams. To keep the Indians quiet and on the reservation.

 

[ReinyDays]

Not really suggesting we water the chaparral. Just saying where it makes sense to interconnect water systems the better off we will be down the road when water does become scarce.

Aqueducts are probably better solutions than pipelines but all tools should be in the tool belt. Desalinization still needs a way to move water.

The question is water use ... should we use it to keep desert golf courses green or Delta farmers in business ... because if you pump fresh water out of the Delta, then salt water will intrude ...

In case you haven't seen any pictures of the fire damage in LA ... then I guess you wouldn't know we are irrigating the chaparral ... the single most flammable ecosystem know to human kind ... 10,000 homes ... that's a lot of water ...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

California doesn't have enough water for all the farming and all the urban population currently there. It will lose at least some of both as the whole state becomes drier. Rising energy costs will reduce long distance freight, so California won't be sending fruit and nuts across the nation, but it also won't have cheap energy to pump water over long distance and over mountain ranges from the Colorado River. Californians who don't want to leave their charred paradise may spiral into fantasies of climate change destroying the world.

Ever hear of desalinization?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The question is water use ... should we use it to keep desert golf courses green or Delta farmers in business ... because if you pump fresh water out of the Delta, then salt water will intrude ...

In case you haven't seen any pictures of the fire damage in LA ... then I guess you wouldn't know we are irrigating the chaparral ... the single most flammable ecosystem know to human kind ... 10,000 homes ... that's a lot of water ...

They border an ocean, maybe desalinization?

 

[ReinyDays]

They border an ocean, maybe desalinization?

Up and running in Carlsbad ... 50 million gallon a day ... their citation ...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Up and running in Carlsbad ... 50 million gallon a day ... their citation ...

That's amazing!!

Especially when you consider that CA uses 28,700 million gallons per day

 

[ReinyDays]

That's amazing!!

Especially when you consider that CA uses 28,700 million gallons per day

Do you have a citation on that? ...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Do you have a citation on that? ...

WATER USE: IT'S COMPLICATED

That same year, the state of California used over 28,700 million gallons of water per day, making it responsible for nearly 9 percent of the nation's water use and the highest total water user of any state. Jul 3, 2019

https://www.sdcoastkeeper.org/blog/californias-water-use-how-do-we-compare/#:~:text=WATER%20USE%3A%20IT'S%20COMPLICATED&text=That%20same%20year%2C%20the%20state,water%20user%20of%20any%20state.

 

[Sparker]

Ever hear of desalinization?

That uses energy. California is already struggling to burn enough fuel for all the people who want electricity there. But it could start a massive campaign of clearcutting forests and burning wood and scrub, the stuff that may burn anyway in wildfires, to desalinate water. That might delay some of the depopulation for a little while, but with more smoke in the air and lungs.

 

[ReinyDays]

WATER USE: IT'S COMPLICATED

That same year, the state of California used over 28,700 million gallons of water per day, making it responsible for nearly 9 percent of the nation's water use and the highest total water user of any state. Jul 3, 2019

https://www.sdcoastkeeper.org/blog/californias-water-use-how-do-we-compare/#:~:text=WATER%20USE%3A%20IT'S%20COMPLICATED&text=That%20same%20year%2C%20the%20state,water%20user%20of%20any%20state.

Carlsbad produces 0.2% of that total ...

California produces an amazing amount of human food ... most farmers don't irrigate at all in Iowa, zero water use, because it rains through the summer months ... grows animal fodder just fine ...

The complication is all the rain and snow within that entire Central Valley basin is funneled down to the Carquinez Straits ... without the fresh water flow out, then salty bay water will flow up the system of distributories in the Delta itself ... bad for farmers pumping water out of the sloughs ...

It's not just fish ... although Chinook Salmon have been known to BITE ... take a finger off if you're not careful ...

 

[ding]

The question is water use ... should we use it to keep desert golf courses green or Delta farmers in business ... because if you pump fresh water out of the Delta, then salt water will intrude ...

In case you haven't seen any pictures of the fire damage in LA ... then I guess you wouldn't know we are irrigating the chaparral ... the single most flammable ecosystem know to human kind ... 10,000 homes ... that's a lot of water ...

Maybe that's your question. But it's not my question. Not sure I ever suggested pumping fresh water out of the delta, Don Quixote.

 

[ReinyDays]

Maybe that's your question. But it's not my question. Not sure I ever suggested pumping fresh water out of the delta, Don Quixote.

Huh?

Not really suggesting we water the chaparral. Just saying where it makes sense to interconnect water systems the better off we will be down the road when water does become scarce.

Aqueducts are probably better solutions than pipelines but all tools should be in the tool belt. Desalinization still needs a way to move water.

You want to pump salt water around? ... okay Ex Lax ...

 

[westwall]

Uh, there is no water scarcity in California which is the wettest state west of the Mississippi

That isn't true for southern California which is a desert. It is always short of water.

 

[ReinyDays]

That isn't true for southern California which is a desert. It is always short of water.

... and all of California is dry in summer ... if we don't bring water to the crops, we won't have crops ...

 

[westwall]

... and all of California is dry in summer ... if we don't bring water to the crops, we won't have crops ...

Correct

 

[ding]

okay Ex Lax ...

I think you must be confusing me with someone else.

 

[elektra]

That isn't true for southern California which is a desert. It is always short of water.

No kidding? Southern California is not the same as the rest of the state?

Short of water with 3 major aqueducts feeding southern california. Not likely.

I think electricity is too expensive to pump water.

And as you most likely know, I know how much water is in California. I will go as far to say we have the wettest city in the USA.

 

[ReinyDays]

No kidding? Southern California is not the same as the rest of the state?

Short of water with 3 major aqueducts feeding southern california. Not likely.

I think electricity is too expensive to pump water.

And as you most likely know, I know how much water is in California. I will go as far to say we have the wettest city in the USA.

Gasquet is the rainiest place in California ... 8 feet per year ... up against the Oregon State line ... further north at the Mt Hebo Radar Station, they averaged 16 feet per year while there was military radar operations there ... but all that water flows into the oceans, it's not aqueductable ... easier stealing Arizona's share of the Colorado ...

75ºF and sunny on Malibu Beach right now ...

 

[westwall]

No kidding? Southern California is not the same as the rest of the state?

Short of water with 3 major aqueducts feeding southern california. Not likely.

I think electricity is too expensive to pump water.

And as you most likely know, I know how much water is in California. I will go as far to say we have the wettest city in the USA.

Yes, likely. California is ALWAYS dry. Owen's lake is now dry thanks to the water sent to LA. Mono lake would likewise be dry if it weren't for laws preserving it.