How did it all begin, this animosity towards Russia and communism in general?

[Mac-7]

It started well before 1950. During WW1, the Communist Revolution resulted in a peace treaty with Germany that threatened the Allies chances of defeating Germany. When the atrocities of that revolution became known (including the execution of the Tsar and his family), the US, France and Britain sent military units to Russia to assist in a failed counter-revolution. After that, the seeds of mistrust were firmly planted, and the attempted Communist invasion of Poland provided the fertilizer.

This animosity continued until the USSR became Britain's best friend after it was attacked by Germany in 1941. (No problem that it had also invaded Poland in 1939!) After Churchill recovered from his fixation on killing as many Germans as possible during WW2, he finally realized that the USSR was a far greater threat to his country's dwindling empire.

The US had its own reasons to fear and loathe the USSR after it was discovered that its revered atomic scientist were Communist agents or dupes, depending on one's point of view. This embarrassment led to a nationwide campaign to paint the Russians as depraved monsters doing the bidding of their insidious but insane leaders. As a result, the US decided that it could only deal with the Russians through threats of brute force or annihilation.

We have continued with that mindset to the present day by presuming that any Russian national concern is merely a camouflaged attempt to restore or expand its empire. Doesn't that sound familiar?

I dont know which pro marxist publication you get your history from but it is not telling you straight

 

[sealybobo]

you represent here the radical left, ok here is what your role - model K. Marx said about Muscovites /Moscow empire :

The origin of Moscovy lies in the bloody degradation of Mongolian slavery...
"semi-Asiatic" menace to "Europe" and "civilization ...
the Muscovites. They are not Slavs; they do not belong to the Indo-Germanic race at all, they are des intrus [intruders], who must be chased back across the Dnieper,

Karl Marx (1856–57/1873)​

Karl Marx about Moscow empire: " The origin of 🇷🇺Moscovy lies in the bloody degradation of Mongolian slavery" Do you agree with K. Marx ?

Do you agree with K. Marx ? The origin of 🇷🇺Moscovy lies in the bloody degradation of Mongolian slavery... 🇷🇺 "semi-Asiatic" menace to "Europe" and "civilization ... the 🇷🇺 Muscovites. They are not Slavs; they do not belong to the Indo-Germanic race at all, they are des intrus [intruders]...

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SO you are saying that the Moscow violent gang in the history (Bolsheviki ) was not a commie one ?

I'm saying you are making a connection that isn't accurate.

When a Christian murders is that a stain on Christianity?

When a Capitalist murders is that Capitalisms fault Capitalism, like communism, is just another ISM. If you look at what Communism is, does it say anything about murdering?

Many many many millions of people have died in the name of Christianity. Back during the crusades. Right? Christians killing Christians. Please answer this question. What ISM were they using back then? Did that ISM have anything to do with why Christians were killing Christians? Was it the economic system in which that country used? I don't think so. I don't think the ISM had anything to do with it.

 

[Litwin]

Many many many millions of people have died in the name of Christianity

Christianity has created our beautiful CONTEMPORARY world , the barbaric orient has created GULAG, Mao, Sralin, NK, slavery, despotism, etc.

Here’s what remains of the Soviet Salekhard–Igarka Railway. Stalin ordered it built and 300,000 gulag SLAVES were sent to build it.

Imagine the horror of being one of Stalin's slaves in such a place.... Nice video work.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salekhard%E2%80%93Igarka_Railway https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18116112

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[sealybobo]

Christianity has created our beautiful CONTEMPORARY world , the barbaric orient has created GULAG, Mao, Sralin, NK, slavery, despotism, etc.

Here’s what remains of the Soviet Salekhard–Igarka Railway. Stalin ordered it built and 300,000 gulag SLAVES were sent to build it.

Imagine the horror of being one of Stalin's slaves in such a place.... Nice video work.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salekhard%E2%80%93Igarka_Railway https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18116112

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Maybe our world would be better without Christianity. Animals going extinct, pollution, ignorance, prisons, guns,

Perhaps Christianity has created sheep who are dumb. How many people did us Christians kill in WW2? Who did we fight? Germans? Aren't they Christians? Doesn't matter that ADOLPH wasn't a Christian. Neither is Trump. He's just playing one. Both of them were able to manipulate an ignorant Christian society.

Anyways, my point was communism has nothing to do with the murders that communists committed. Just like Christianity isn't guilty every time a Christian sins.

 

[there4eyeM]

Ideologies don't kill people, but sociopaths who take control of them have seen to immense carnage.

 

[Litwin]

Maybe our world would be better without Christianity. Animals going extinct, pollution, ignorance, prisons, guns,

so wrong so wrong, our " natives " destroyed the mega fauna

"prisons " ? you must be joking ....

 

[Litwin]

Ideologies don't kill people, but sociopaths who take control of them have seen to immense carnage.

 

[there4eyeM]

Citing some sociopaths to verify my post?

 

[sealybobo]

so wrong so wrong, our " natives " destroyed the mega fauna

"prisons " ? you must be joking ....

In 2022, 31% of people sentenced to state or federal prison in the United States were white. The racial demographics of people in prison are as follows:

• White: 31%
• Black: 32%
• Hispanic: 23%

 

[Litwin]

In 2022, 31% of people sentenced to state or federal prison in the United States were white. The racial demographics of people in prison are as follows:

• White: 31%
• Black: 32%
• Hispanic: 23%

poor people always commit more crimes , whats your point ?

 

[sealybobo]

poor people always commit more crimes , whats your point ?

What did you mean when you said "prisons? You must be joking"

 

[sealybobo]

so wrong so wrong, our " natives " destroyed the mega fauna

"prisons " ? you must be joking ....

You don't think we have a prison problem?

The United States has the largest number of prisoners in the world, with roughly 1.8 million people incarcerated at the end of 2023.

 

[Arlette]

With a memorandum, written by a collaboration of newly minted "security" specialists and corporate spokesmen. Create a boogyman, put Reinhart Gehlen who was Hitler's spy chief and his crew to work to feed Congress with inflated threats and get more funding and power. Oh, keep it secret for 25 years and let the mockingbird press run with it. That's how our war economy was built, and it remains today. That is why voting doesn't matter as much as you might think. Milestones in the History of U.S. Foreign Relations - Office of the Historian

I'm just guessing but I think the boogyman started because the Soviet Union wasn't a market for our capitalist interests.

 

[Foxfyre]

With a memorandum, written by a collaboration of newly minted "security" specialists and corporate spokesmen. Create a boogyman, put Reinhart Gehlen who was Hitler's spy chief and his crew to work to feed Congress with inflated threats and get more funding and power. Oh, keep it secret for 25 years and let the mockingbird press run with it. That's how our war economy was built, and it remains today. That is why voting doesn't matter as much as you might think. Milestones in the History of U.S. Foreign Relations - Office of the Historian

Karl Marx and Friedrich Engles were initially just curious theorists that few took seriously or were concerned about.

But when Lenin first in 1917 began implementing Marxist concepts in Europe and it spread from there to countries incorporated into the USSR to China, North Korea to Cuba to Nicaragua along with the tens of millions killed and devastated at the feet of that ideology, "Communism" became the term to describe all that was evil.

There is nothing to commend political communism that never progresses beyond the totalitarian stage once it is implemented, but some of the mindset and tactics used to combat it were also evil.

We always walk a fine line between justice and overreaction when looking for the high road on all legal and social issues.

 

[Litwin]

You don't think we have a prison problem?

No. US is a fine country. all US haters can leave US anytime

 

[there4eyeM]

Humans allow themselves to be driven by materialism. Materialism drove so-called capitalists to extremes. Those extremes provoked reactions. The reactions were on the part of people more or less equally materialistic. The situation was exploited by people who seek only power. It is a story that repeats throughout man's time on Earth. Of course communism led to excesses because it was led by excessive personalities. It is no different from other human movements including capitalism.

 

[luiza]

.Create a boogyman, put Reinhart Gehlen who was Hitler's spy chief and his crew to work to feed Congress with inflated threats and get more funding and power.

My favourite Spy -- Reinhard Gehlen .

The question is whether he entrained Allen Dulles or was Dulles a traitor regardless.

What is amazing is that Gehlen continued after WW2 to be boss man and probably ran the US in terms of Operation Paper Clip follow-up .
And what damage did he do to the US by having Moscow as his main "master" ? If that was his agenda .

I suspect that he --- along with Bormann in Argentina and Skorzeny from Spain were instrumental in forging the direct links of the Fourth Reich with old style Deep State -- the Jewish entity run by the International Settlement bankers .
Without doubt an amazing character and who knows whom he worked for
Himself ?
Germany -- their later BND intelligence operation .
Above, with the US ?
Above , with Russia?
All of the above .

 

[the watcher]

Both Dulles brothers had business law dealings with the Nazis and were very sympathetic to Hitler before the war.

 

[luiza]

Both Dulles brothers had business law dealings with the Nazis and were very sympathetic to Hitler before the war.

It was Allen who was the traitor.

However , it was he who arranged the deal to obtain the Uranium from Germany to keep the Manhattan project up to date .
The first US Atom bomb was fuelled by Germany , and as Michael Caine allegedly said ,
Not a lot of people know that .

As they also do not know about the two A Bomb tests carried out by Germany before all of that .

That is scrubbed from all of the history you are taught !!!

 

[Litwin]

Both Dulles brothers had business law dealings with the Nazis and were very sympathetic to Hitler before the war.

who HAVE penetrated US more, commies or nazies ?

Soviet espionage in the United States - Wikipedia