How come no mention of the fall of the Temple in A.D. 70 in the NT?

[hobelim]

I have asked this question before myself...

If you read the scriptures prayer and repentance is all that was ever required remember we had a temple before that was destroyed and we were removed earlier by the babylonians...Jews today esp in Israel are not agrarian in nature they are city dwellers where do you think they will keep these animals in their two bedroom condos....lol...Read the scriptures TRUTHFULLY and you will get your answers...

Don't be stupid shimon. In the city there are millions of animals running amok, some wild, some domesticated.there are herds of cattle, swine that do not ruminate, dogs, wolves, vultures, sheep, maggots, teeming vermin, creepy things that creep, and he-goats without blemish running amok every day in the streets and apartment buildings.


Some people are even married to lower beasts without knowing it, yuk.

Your best friend could even be a perfect specimen for ritual sacrifice.

The flesh drained of its blood and trimmed from the bone feeds the poor, and the fat thrown on the fire makes a soothing and fragrant offering to the Lord wherever you live.

You only have to enter the sanctuary of God, if you can find it.

hobie dear-----you are delerious

You won't be thinking that anymore once you wake up out of your coma one morning to the smell of manure on your kitchen floor.

oy----the patient is deteriorating-----QUICK----ice and cold water mattress----
can the patient tolerate ASA?

 

[The Original Tree]

I am curious about that one now..



(This is an estimate no exact year is possible)



New Testament

James--A.D. 44-49
Galatians--A.D. 49-50
Matthew--A.D. 50-60
Mark--A.D. 50-60
1 Thessalonians--A.D. 51
2 Thessalonians--A.D. 51-52
1 Corinthians--A.D. 55
2 Corinthians--A.D. 55-56
Romans-- A.D. 56
Luke--A.D. 60-61
Ephesians--A.D. 60-62
Philippians--A.D. 60-62
Philemon--A.D. 60-62
Colossians--A.D. 60-62
Acts--A.D. 62
1 Timothy--A.D. 62-64
Titus--A.D. 62-64
1 Peter--A.D. 64-65
2 Timothy--A.D. 66-67
2 Peter--A.D. 67-68
Hebrews--A.D. 67-69
Jude--A.D. 68-70
John--A.D. 80-90
1 John--A.D. 90-95
2 John--A.D. 90-95
3 John--A.D. 90-95
Revelation--A.D. 94-96








The Romans Destroy the Temple

at Jerusalem, 70 AD


In the year 66 AD the Jews of Judea rebelled against their Roman masters. In response, the Emperor Nero dispatched an army under the generalship of Vespasian to restore order. By the year 68, resistance in the northern part of the province had been eradicated and the Romans turned their full attention to the subjugation of Jerusalem. That same year, the Emperor Nero died by his own hand, creating a power vacuum in Rome. In the resultant chaos, Vespasian was declared Emperor and returned to the Imperial City. It fell to his son, Titus, to lead the remaining army in the assault on Jerusalem.


Roman Centurian
The Roman legions surrounded the city and began to slowly squeeze the life out of the Jewish stronghold. By the year 70, the attackers had breached Jerusalem's outer walls and began a systematic ransacking of the city. The assault culminated in the burning and destruction of the Temple that served as the center of Judaism.

In victory, the Romans slaughtered thousands. Of those sparred from death: thousands more were enslaved and sent to toil in the mines of Egypt, others were dispersed to arenas throughout the Empire to be butchered for the amusement of the public. The Temple's sacred relics were taken to Rome where they were displayed in celebration of the victory.

The rebellion sputtered on for another three years and was finally extinguished in 73 AD with the fall of the various pockets of resistance including the stronghold at Masada.

"...the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy."

Our only first-hand account of the Roman assault on the Temple comes from the Jewish historian Josephus Flavius. Josephus was a former leader of the Jewish Revolt who had surrendered to the Romans and had won favor from Vespasian. In gratitude, Josephus took on Vespasian's family name - Flavius - as his own. We join his account as the Romans fight their way into the inner sanctum of the Temple:

"...the rebels shortly after attacked the Romans again, and a clash followed between the guards of the sanctuary and the troops who were putting out the fire inside the inner court; the latter routed the Jews and followed in hot pursuit right up to the Temple itself. Then one of the soldiers, without awaiting any orders and with no dread of so momentous a deed, but urged on by some supernatural force, snatched a blazing piece of wood and, climbing on another soldier's back, hurled the flaming brand through a low golden window that gave access, on the north side, to the rooms that surrounded the sanctuary. As the flames shot up, the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy; they flocked to the rescue, with no thought of sparing their lives or husbanding their strength; for the sacred structure that they had constantly guarded with such devotion was vanishing before their very eyes.



...No exhortation or threat could now restrain the impetuosity of the legions; for passion was in supreme command. Crowded together around the entrances, many were trampled down by their companions; others, stumbling on the smoldering and smoked-filled ruins of the porticoes, died as miserably as the defeated. As they drew closer to the Temple, they pretended not even to hear Caesar's orders, but urged the men in front to throw in more firebrands. The rebels were powerless to help; carnage and flight spread throughout.

Most of the slain were peaceful citizens, weak and unarmed, and they were butchered where they were caught. The heap of corpses mounted higher and higher about the altar; a stream of blood flowed down the Temple's steps, and the bodies of those slain at the top slipped to the bottom.

I believe the New Testament books were completed before the destruction of The Temple in 70 AD. But it is enough that it was prophesied about. It is not Central to the Story of Salvation.

 

[irosie91]

I am curious about that one now..



(This is an estimate no exact year is possible)



New Testament

James--A.D. 44-49
Galatians--A.D. 49-50
Matthew--A.D. 50-60
Mark--A.D. 50-60
1 Thessalonians--A.D. 51
2 Thessalonians--A.D. 51-52
1 Corinthians--A.D. 55
2 Corinthians--A.D. 55-56
Romans-- A.D. 56
Luke--A.D. 60-61
Ephesians--A.D. 60-62
Philippians--A.D. 60-62
Philemon--A.D. 60-62
Colossians--A.D. 60-62
Acts--A.D. 62
1 Timothy--A.D. 62-64
Titus--A.D. 62-64
1 Peter--A.D. 64-65
2 Timothy--A.D. 66-67
2 Peter--A.D. 67-68
Hebrews--A.D. 67-69
Jude--A.D. 68-70
John--A.D. 80-90
1 John--A.D. 90-95
2 John--A.D. 90-95
3 John--A.D. 90-95
Revelation--A.D. 94-96








The Romans Destroy the Temple

at Jerusalem, 70 AD


In the year 66 AD the Jews of Judea rebelled against their Roman masters. In response, the Emperor Nero dispatched an army under the generalship of Vespasian to restore order. By the year 68, resistance in the northern part of the province had been eradicated and the Romans turned their full attention to the subjugation of Jerusalem. That same year, the Emperor Nero died by his own hand, creating a power vacuum in Rome. In the resultant chaos, Vespasian was declared Emperor and returned to the Imperial City. It fell to his son, Titus, to lead the remaining army in the assault on Jerusalem.


Roman Centurian
The Roman legions surrounded the city and began to slowly squeeze the life out of the Jewish stronghold. By the year 70, the attackers had breached Jerusalem's outer walls and began a systematic ransacking of the city. The assault culminated in the burning and destruction of the Temple that served as the center of Judaism.

In victory, the Romans slaughtered thousands. Of those sparred from death: thousands more were enslaved and sent to toil in the mines of Egypt, others were dispersed to arenas throughout the Empire to be butchered for the amusement of the public. The Temple's sacred relics were taken to Rome where they were displayed in celebration of the victory.

The rebellion sputtered on for another three years and was finally extinguished in 73 AD with the fall of the various pockets of resistance including the stronghold at Masada.

"...the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy."

Our only first-hand account of the Roman assault on the Temple comes from the Jewish historian Josephus Flavius. Josephus was a former leader of the Jewish Revolt who had surrendered to the Romans and had won favor from Vespasian. In gratitude, Josephus took on Vespasian's family name - Flavius - as his own. We join his account as the Romans fight their way into the inner sanctum of the Temple:

"...the rebels shortly after attacked the Romans again, and a clash followed between the guards of the sanctuary and the troops who were putting out the fire inside the inner court; the latter routed the Jews and followed in hot pursuit right up to the Temple itself. Then one of the soldiers, without awaiting any orders and with no dread of so momentous a deed, but urged on by some supernatural force, snatched a blazing piece of wood and, climbing on another soldier's back, hurled the flaming brand through a low golden window that gave access, on the north side, to the rooms that surrounded the sanctuary. As the flames shot up, the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy; they flocked to the rescue, with no thought of sparing their lives or husbanding their strength; for the sacred structure that they had constantly guarded with such devotion was vanishing before their very eyes.



...No exhortation or threat could now restrain the impetuosity of the legions; for passion was in supreme command. Crowded together around the entrances, many were trampled down by their companions; others, stumbling on the smoldering and smoked-filled ruins of the porticoes, died as miserably as the defeated. As they drew closer to the Temple, they pretended not even to hear Caesar's orders, but urged the men in front to throw in more firebrands. The rebels were powerless to help; carnage and flight spread throughout.

Most of the slain were peaceful citizens, weak and unarmed, and they were butchered where they were caught. The heap of corpses mounted higher and higher about the altar; a stream of blood flowed down the Temple's steps, and the bodies of those slain at the top slipped to the bottom.

I believe the New Testament books were completed before the destruction of The Temple in 70 AD. But it is enough that it was prophesied about. It is not Central to the Story of Salvation.

your "belief" that the books of the New Testament were "completed" before the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD----is kinda cute. ----will the bunny be bringing you jelly beans next sunday?

 

[The Original Tree]

I am curious about that one now..



(This is an estimate no exact year is possible)



New Testament

James--A.D. 44-49
Galatians--A.D. 49-50
Matthew--A.D. 50-60
Mark--A.D. 50-60
1 Thessalonians--A.D. 51
2 Thessalonians--A.D. 51-52
1 Corinthians--A.D. 55
2 Corinthians--A.D. 55-56
Romans-- A.D. 56
Luke--A.D. 60-61
Ephesians--A.D. 60-62
Philippians--A.D. 60-62
Philemon--A.D. 60-62
Colossians--A.D. 60-62
Acts--A.D. 62
1 Timothy--A.D. 62-64
Titus--A.D. 62-64
1 Peter--A.D. 64-65
2 Timothy--A.D. 66-67
2 Peter--A.D. 67-68
Hebrews--A.D. 67-69
Jude--A.D. 68-70
John--A.D. 80-90
1 John--A.D. 90-95
2 John--A.D. 90-95
3 John--A.D. 90-95
Revelation--A.D. 94-96








The Romans Destroy the Temple

at Jerusalem, 70 AD


In the year 66 AD the Jews of Judea rebelled against their Roman masters. In response, the Emperor Nero dispatched an army under the generalship of Vespasian to restore order. By the year 68, resistance in the northern part of the province had been eradicated and the Romans turned their full attention to the subjugation of Jerusalem. That same year, the Emperor Nero died by his own hand, creating a power vacuum in Rome. In the resultant chaos, Vespasian was declared Emperor and returned to the Imperial City. It fell to his son, Titus, to lead the remaining army in the assault on Jerusalem.


Roman Centurian
The Roman legions surrounded the city and began to slowly squeeze the life out of the Jewish stronghold. By the year 70, the attackers had breached Jerusalem's outer walls and began a systematic ransacking of the city. The assault culminated in the burning and destruction of the Temple that served as the center of Judaism.

In victory, the Romans slaughtered thousands. Of those sparred from death: thousands more were enslaved and sent to toil in the mines of Egypt, others were dispersed to arenas throughout the Empire to be butchered for the amusement of the public. The Temple's sacred relics were taken to Rome where they were displayed in celebration of the victory.

The rebellion sputtered on for another three years and was finally extinguished in 73 AD with the fall of the various pockets of resistance including the stronghold at Masada.

"...the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy."

Our only first-hand account of the Roman assault on the Temple comes from the Jewish historian Josephus Flavius. Josephus was a former leader of the Jewish Revolt who had surrendered to the Romans and had won favor from Vespasian. In gratitude, Josephus took on Vespasian's family name - Flavius - as his own. We join his account as the Romans fight their way into the inner sanctum of the Temple:

"...the rebels shortly after attacked the Romans again, and a clash followed between the guards of the sanctuary and the troops who were putting out the fire inside the inner court; the latter routed the Jews and followed in hot pursuit right up to the Temple itself. Then one of the soldiers, without awaiting any orders and with no dread of so momentous a deed, but urged on by some supernatural force, snatched a blazing piece of wood and, climbing on another soldier's back, hurled the flaming brand through a low golden window that gave access, on the north side, to the rooms that surrounded the sanctuary. As the flames shot up, the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy; they flocked to the rescue, with no thought of sparing their lives or husbanding their strength; for the sacred structure that they had constantly guarded with such devotion was vanishing before their very eyes.



...No exhortation or threat could now restrain the impetuosity of the legions; for passion was in supreme command. Crowded together around the entrances, many were trampled down by their companions; others, stumbling on the smoldering and smoked-filled ruins of the porticoes, died as miserably as the defeated. As they drew closer to the Temple, they pretended not even to hear Caesar's orders, but urged the men in front to throw in more firebrands. The rebels were powerless to help; carnage and flight spread throughout.

Most of the slain were peaceful citizens, weak and unarmed, and they were butchered where they were caught. The heap of corpses mounted higher and higher about the altar; a stream of blood flowed down the Temple's steps, and the bodies of those slain at the top slipped to the bottom.

Do you know what Revelation is about?

The Book of Revelations is first about the different types of Churches and directives given to them. But most of The Book of Revelations is for The Jews and is a foretelling for them of what is to happen during The End Times. I believe the 144,000 during The Great Tribulation will preach from The Book of Revelations and book of Daniel as well as preach about The Messianic References in The Old Testament and their fulfillment in The New Testament. Many Jews during The Reign of Anti-Chirst will accept Messiah in my opinion and during the middle of the 7 year peace treaty when Anti-Christ declares himself as god, Jews and Christians of that day will reject him enflaming his Wrath against them, and he will go to war and persecute any Christians and Jews he can find.

 

[Indeependent]

I am curious about that one now..



(This is an estimate no exact year is possible)



New Testament

James--A.D. 44-49
Galatians--A.D. 49-50
Matthew--A.D. 50-60
Mark--A.D. 50-60
1 Thessalonians--A.D. 51
2 Thessalonians--A.D. 51-52
1 Corinthians--A.D. 55
2 Corinthians--A.D. 55-56
Romans-- A.D. 56
Luke--A.D. 60-61
Ephesians--A.D. 60-62
Philippians--A.D. 60-62
Philemon--A.D. 60-62
Colossians--A.D. 60-62
Acts--A.D. 62
1 Timothy--A.D. 62-64
Titus--A.D. 62-64
1 Peter--A.D. 64-65
2 Timothy--A.D. 66-67
2 Peter--A.D. 67-68
Hebrews--A.D. 67-69
Jude--A.D. 68-70
John--A.D. 80-90
1 John--A.D. 90-95
2 John--A.D. 90-95
3 John--A.D. 90-95
Revelation--A.D. 94-96








The Romans Destroy the Temple

at Jerusalem, 70 AD


In the year 66 AD the Jews of Judea rebelled against their Roman masters. In response, the Emperor Nero dispatched an army under the generalship of Vespasian to restore order. By the year 68, resistance in the northern part of the province had been eradicated and the Romans turned their full attention to the subjugation of Jerusalem. That same year, the Emperor Nero died by his own hand, creating a power vacuum in Rome. In the resultant chaos, Vespasian was declared Emperor and returned to the Imperial City. It fell to his son, Titus, to lead the remaining army in the assault on Jerusalem.


Roman Centurian
The Roman legions surrounded the city and began to slowly squeeze the life out of the Jewish stronghold. By the year 70, the attackers had breached Jerusalem's outer walls and began a systematic ransacking of the city. The assault culminated in the burning and destruction of the Temple that served as the center of Judaism.

In victory, the Romans slaughtered thousands. Of those sparred from death: thousands more were enslaved and sent to toil in the mines of Egypt, others were dispersed to arenas throughout the Empire to be butchered for the amusement of the public. The Temple's sacred relics were taken to Rome where they were displayed in celebration of the victory.

The rebellion sputtered on for another three years and was finally extinguished in 73 AD with the fall of the various pockets of resistance including the stronghold at Masada.

"...the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy."

Our only first-hand account of the Roman assault on the Temple comes from the Jewish historian Josephus Flavius. Josephus was a former leader of the Jewish Revolt who had surrendered to the Romans and had won favor from Vespasian. In gratitude, Josephus took on Vespasian's family name - Flavius - as his own. We join his account as the Romans fight their way into the inner sanctum of the Temple:

"...the rebels shortly after attacked the Romans again, and a clash followed between the guards of the sanctuary and the troops who were putting out the fire inside the inner court; the latter routed the Jews and followed in hot pursuit right up to the Temple itself. Then one of the soldiers, without awaiting any orders and with no dread of so momentous a deed, but urged on by some supernatural force, snatched a blazing piece of wood and, climbing on another soldier's back, hurled the flaming brand through a low golden window that gave access, on the north side, to the rooms that surrounded the sanctuary. As the flames shot up, the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy; they flocked to the rescue, with no thought of sparing their lives or husbanding their strength; for the sacred structure that they had constantly guarded with such devotion was vanishing before their very eyes.



...No exhortation or threat could now restrain the impetuosity of the legions; for passion was in supreme command. Crowded together around the entrances, many were trampled down by their companions; others, stumbling on the smoldering and smoked-filled ruins of the porticoes, died as miserably as the defeated. As they drew closer to the Temple, they pretended not even to hear Caesar's orders, but urged the men in front to throw in more firebrands. The rebels were powerless to help; carnage and flight spread throughout.

Most of the slain were peaceful citizens, weak and unarmed, and they were butchered where they were caught. The heap of corpses mounted higher and higher about the altar; a stream of blood flowed down the Temple's steps, and the bodies of those slain at the top slipped to the bottom.

When you’re trying to convert Jews, you don’t tell them you slaughtered millions of Jews.

 

[OldLady]

The Roman Emperor Constantine convened the First Council of Nicea, when the books of the bible were chosen for the "official" text. Many, many holy texts were rejected.

Maybe the fact that ROMANS were "publishing" this work had something to do with keeping mum on that horrific act of senseless destruction?

I have no idea, but remember that what is in the Bible is not all the holy texts of the period.

 

[The Original Tree]

I am curious about that one now..



(This is an estimate no exact year is possible)



New Testament

James--A.D. 44-49
Galatians--A.D. 49-50
Matthew--A.D. 50-60
Mark--A.D. 50-60
1 Thessalonians--A.D. 51
2 Thessalonians--A.D. 51-52
1 Corinthians--A.D. 55
2 Corinthians--A.D. 55-56
Romans-- A.D. 56
Luke--A.D. 60-61
Ephesians--A.D. 60-62
Philippians--A.D. 60-62
Philemon--A.D. 60-62
Colossians--A.D. 60-62
Acts--A.D. 62
1 Timothy--A.D. 62-64
Titus--A.D. 62-64
1 Peter--A.D. 64-65
2 Timothy--A.D. 66-67
2 Peter--A.D. 67-68
Hebrews--A.D. 67-69
Jude--A.D. 68-70
John--A.D. 80-90
1 John--A.D. 90-95
2 John--A.D. 90-95
3 John--A.D. 90-95
Revelation--A.D. 94-96








The Romans Destroy the Temple

at Jerusalem, 70 AD


In the year 66 AD the Jews of Judea rebelled against their Roman masters. In response, the Emperor Nero dispatched an army under the generalship of Vespasian to restore order. By the year 68, resistance in the northern part of the province had been eradicated and the Romans turned their full attention to the subjugation of Jerusalem. That same year, the Emperor Nero died by his own hand, creating a power vacuum in Rome. In the resultant chaos, Vespasian was declared Emperor and returned to the Imperial City. It fell to his son, Titus, to lead the remaining army in the assault on Jerusalem.


Roman Centurian
The Roman legions surrounded the city and began to slowly squeeze the life out of the Jewish stronghold. By the year 70, the attackers had breached Jerusalem's outer walls and began a systematic ransacking of the city. The assault culminated in the burning and destruction of the Temple that served as the center of Judaism.

In victory, the Romans slaughtered thousands. Of those sparred from death: thousands more were enslaved and sent to toil in the mines of Egypt, others were dispersed to arenas throughout the Empire to be butchered for the amusement of the public. The Temple's sacred relics were taken to Rome where they were displayed in celebration of the victory.

The rebellion sputtered on for another three years and was finally extinguished in 73 AD with the fall of the various pockets of resistance including the stronghold at Masada.

"...the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy."

Our only first-hand account of the Roman assault on the Temple comes from the Jewish historian Josephus Flavius. Josephus was a former leader of the Jewish Revolt who had surrendered to the Romans and had won favor from Vespasian. In gratitude, Josephus took on Vespasian's family name - Flavius - as his own. We join his account as the Romans fight their way into the inner sanctum of the Temple:

"...the rebels shortly after attacked the Romans again, and a clash followed between the guards of the sanctuary and the troops who were putting out the fire inside the inner court; the latter routed the Jews and followed in hot pursuit right up to the Temple itself. Then one of the soldiers, without awaiting any orders and with no dread of so momentous a deed, but urged on by some supernatural force, snatched a blazing piece of wood and, climbing on another soldier's back, hurled the flaming brand through a low golden window that gave access, on the north side, to the rooms that surrounded the sanctuary. As the flames shot up, the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy; they flocked to the rescue, with no thought of sparing their lives or husbanding their strength; for the sacred structure that they had constantly guarded with such devotion was vanishing before their very eyes.



...No exhortation or threat could now restrain the impetuosity of the legions; for passion was in supreme command. Crowded together around the entrances, many were trampled down by their companions; others, stumbling on the smoldering and smoked-filled ruins of the porticoes, died as miserably as the defeated. As they drew closer to the Temple, they pretended not even to hear Caesar's orders, but urged the men in front to throw in more firebrands. The rebels were powerless to help; carnage and flight spread throughout.

Most of the slain were peaceful citizens, weak and unarmed, and they were butchered where they were caught. The heap of corpses mounted higher and higher about the altar; a stream of blood flowed down the Temple's steps, and the bodies of those slain at the top slipped to the bottom.

I believe the New Testament books were completed before the destruction of The Temple in 70 AD. But it is enough that it was prophesied about. It is not Central to the Story of Salvation.

your "belief" that the books of the New Testament were "completed" before the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD----is kinda cute. ----will the bunny be bringing you jelly beans next sunday?

No one actually knows when the first copy of The Book of Revelations was completed by John. Until someone finds the original manuscript, we can only speculate. All we know is that he lived in isolation and exile on The Isle of Patmos and we know the prophecy declaring that The Temple would be destroyed with not one stone left upon another was proven true like every single prophecy in The Bible. It is the only text that has such a record of 100% accurate prophecy.

The Bible is not for The Unrepentant, The Damned, The Hard Hearted. It is for those who still have an open heart to God. You either accept God's sacrifice He made for your sins, or you reject it. You either have faith, or you are faithless. You are either one who seeks knowledge, truth, and light, or you are one who would rather wallow in darkness.

Trying to find an angle to suggest that God's word isn't true is not going to change that. Those that love truth hear truth and desire truth.

Those that love darkness reject the truth and embrace lies, and hide from God in the darkness.

Which are you?

 

[norwegen]

Jesus predicted it's fall in Matthew 24: 1-2

he (or Matthew) left out the part ----the romans will do it and barbarically murder lots of people and steal all valuable objects. Jesus seemed to say that it will just kinda fall
apart

Jesus said that the temple would be thrown down.

Elsewhere in the Olivet Discourse, he makes additional statements indicating that war is the cause of destruction. He said that armies would surround Jerusalem, which they did for three years. He also said that Jerusalem will not have suffered greater tribulation. He said a number of things related to the revolt that actually happened.

And, to be sure, the more destructive side was not the Romans but rather the Jews.

to be sure----your conclusion is idiotic. Your sunday school teacher screwed your mind

That's not Sunday School, Sweetheart, but lemme Sunday School ya' . . .

. . . or is today Tuesday?

No matter.

Jews - Zealots, specifically - were the barbarians. They and their allies the Idumeans starved and plundered the inhabitants of Jerusalem almost as fiercely as they rebelled against the Roman occupiers.

Rome had surrounded the city, effectively cutting off commerce. No one could buy or sell. So the insurgents plundered their own people, who died by the thousands from disease and famine and lay dead in the streets unburied.

A Roman soldier may have thrown the torch that ignited the temple, but the savagery was almost all from the Jews.

 

[The Original Tree]

Jesus predicted it's fall in Matthew 24: 1-2

he (or Matthew) left out the part ----the romans will do it and barbarically murder lots of people and steal all valuable objects. Jesus seemed to say that it will just kinda fall
apart

Jesus said that the temple would be thrown down.

Elsewhere in the Olivet Discourse, he makes additional statements indicating that war is the cause of destruction. He said that armies would surround Jerusalem, which they did for three years. He also said that Jerusalem will not have suffered greater tribulation. He said a number of things related to the revolt that actually happened.

And, to be sure, the more destructive side was not the Romans but rather the Jews.

to be sure----your conclusion is idiotic. Your sunday school teacher screwed your mind

That's not Sunday School, Sweetheart, but lemme Sunday School ya' . . .

. . . or is today Tuesday?

No matter.

Jews - Zealots, specifically - were the barbarians. They and their allies the Idumeans starved and plundered the inhabitants of Jerusalem almost as fiercely as they rebelled against the Roman occupiers.

Rome had surrounded the city, effectively cutting off commerce. No one could buy or sell. So the insurgents plundered their own people, who died by the thousands from disease and famine and lay dead in the streets unburied.

A Roman soldier may have thrown the torch that ignited the temple, but the savagery was almost all from the Jews.

Omar is that you?

 

[irosie91]

Jesus predicted it's fall in Matthew 24: 1-2

he (or Matthew) left out the part ----the romans will do it and barbarically murder lots of people and steal all valuable objects. Jesus seemed to say that it will just kinda fall
apart

Jesus said that the temple would be thrown down.

Elsewhere in the Olivet Discourse, he makes additional statements indicating that war is the cause of destruction. He said that armies would surround Jerusalem, which they did for three years. He also said that Jerusalem will not have suffered greater tribulation. He said a number of things related to the revolt that actually happened.

And, to be sure, the more destructive side was not the Romans but rather the Jews.

to be sure----your conclusion is idiotic. Your sunday school teacher screwed your mind

That's not Sunday School, Sweetheart, but lemme Sunday School ya' . . .

. . . or is today Tuesday?

No matter.

Jews - Zealots, specifically - were the barbarians. They and their allies the Idumeans starved and plundered the inhabitants of Jerusalem almost as fiercely as they rebelled against the Roman occupiers.

Rome had surrounded the city, effectively cutting off commerce. No one could buy or sell. So the insurgents plundered their own people, who died by the thousands from disease and famine and lay dead in the streets unburied.

A Roman soldier may have thrown the torch that ignited the temple, but the savagery was almost all from the Jews.

as a child----I attended Sunday school far more than I did anything like a synagogue or "Hebrew school"------I understand why you believe that silly crap. Idumeans were ----aka the EDOMITES. The
"zealots" where, in general-----aka PHARISEES like Jesus. Pharisees did not like Edomites. Herod was an Edomite and despised by most jews of that time. It is true that he and the edomites were IN LEAGUE with the Romans. Your history is a bit OFF

 

[norwegen]

I am curious about that one now..



(This is an estimate no exact year is possible)



New Testament

James--A.D. 44-49
Galatians--A.D. 49-50
Matthew--A.D. 50-60
Mark--A.D. 50-60
1 Thessalonians--A.D. 51
2 Thessalonians--A.D. 51-52
1 Corinthians--A.D. 55
2 Corinthians--A.D. 55-56
Romans-- A.D. 56
Luke--A.D. 60-61
Ephesians--A.D. 60-62
Philippians--A.D. 60-62
Philemon--A.D. 60-62
Colossians--A.D. 60-62
Acts--A.D. 62
1 Timothy--A.D. 62-64
Titus--A.D. 62-64
1 Peter--A.D. 64-65
2 Timothy--A.D. 66-67
2 Peter--A.D. 67-68
Hebrews--A.D. 67-69
Jude--A.D. 68-70
John--A.D. 80-90
1 John--A.D. 90-95
2 John--A.D. 90-95
3 John--A.D. 90-95
Revelation--A.D. 94-96








The Romans Destroy the Temple

at Jerusalem, 70 AD


In the year 66 AD the Jews of Judea rebelled against their Roman masters. In response, the Emperor Nero dispatched an army under the generalship of Vespasian to restore order. By the year 68, resistance in the northern part of the province had been eradicated and the Romans turned their full attention to the subjugation of Jerusalem. That same year, the Emperor Nero died by his own hand, creating a power vacuum in Rome. In the resultant chaos, Vespasian was declared Emperor and returned to the Imperial City. It fell to his son, Titus, to lead the remaining army in the assault on Jerusalem.


Roman Centurian
The Roman legions surrounded the city and began to slowly squeeze the life out of the Jewish stronghold. By the year 70, the attackers had breached Jerusalem's outer walls and began a systematic ransacking of the city. The assault culminated in the burning and destruction of the Temple that served as the center of Judaism.

In victory, the Romans slaughtered thousands. Of those sparred from death: thousands more were enslaved and sent to toil in the mines of Egypt, others were dispersed to arenas throughout the Empire to be butchered for the amusement of the public. The Temple's sacred relics were taken to Rome where they were displayed in celebration of the victory.

The rebellion sputtered on for another three years and was finally extinguished in 73 AD with the fall of the various pockets of resistance including the stronghold at Masada.

"...the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy."

Our only first-hand account of the Roman assault on the Temple comes from the Jewish historian Josephus Flavius. Josephus was a former leader of the Jewish Revolt who had surrendered to the Romans and had won favor from Vespasian. In gratitude, Josephus took on Vespasian's family name - Flavius - as his own. We join his account as the Romans fight their way into the inner sanctum of the Temple:

"...the rebels shortly after attacked the Romans again, and a clash followed between the guards of the sanctuary and the troops who were putting out the fire inside the inner court; the latter routed the Jews and followed in hot pursuit right up to the Temple itself. Then one of the soldiers, without awaiting any orders and with no dread of so momentous a deed, but urged on by some supernatural force, snatched a blazing piece of wood and, climbing on another soldier's back, hurled the flaming brand through a low golden window that gave access, on the north side, to the rooms that surrounded the sanctuary. As the flames shot up, the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy; they flocked to the rescue, with no thought of sparing their lives or husbanding their strength; for the sacred structure that they had constantly guarded with such devotion was vanishing before their very eyes.



...No exhortation or threat could now restrain the impetuosity of the legions; for passion was in supreme command. Crowded together around the entrances, many were trampled down by their companions; others, stumbling on the smoldering and smoked-filled ruins of the porticoes, died as miserably as the defeated. As they drew closer to the Temple, they pretended not even to hear Caesar's orders, but urged the men in front to throw in more firebrands. The rebels were powerless to help; carnage and flight spread throughout.

Most of the slain were peaceful citizens, weak and unarmed, and they were butchered where they were caught. The heap of corpses mounted higher and higher about the altar; a stream of blood flowed down the Temple's steps, and the bodies of those slain at the top slipped to the bottom.

Do you know what Revelation is about?

The Book of Revelations is first about the different types of Churches and directives given to them. But most of The Book of Revelations is for The Jews and is a foretelling for them of what is to happen during The End Times. I believe the 144,000 during The Great Tribulation will preach from The Book of Revelations and book of Daniel as well as preach about The Messianic References in The Old Testament and their fulfillment in The New Testament. Many Jews during The Reign of Anti-Chirst will accept Messiah in my opinion and during the middle of the 7 year peace treaty when Anti-Christ declares himself as god, Jews and Christians of that day will reject him enflaming his Wrath against them, and he will go to war and persecute any Christians and Jews he can find.

It's not the Book of Revelations; it's the Book of Revelation. The Revelator is writing of one revelation - the Christ's having come in judgment. Revelation is not about churches; it's only addressed to the churches, who, with John, witnessed the tribulation (1:9).

That's not my opinion; it's scripture.

An observation about the 144,000, whom we can call the elect, or the sealed (7:4). Note that this remnant was followed into the throne room of God by an inestimable number of others (7:9). Two assemblies whose witness for God may have been deadened for 3 1/2 years but it was then resurrected to resume where they had left off.

 

[norwegen]

Jesus predicted it's fall in Matthew 24: 1-2

he (or Matthew) left out the part ----the romans will do it and barbarically murder lots of people and steal all valuable objects. Jesus seemed to say that it will just kinda fall
apart

Jesus said that the temple would be thrown down.

Elsewhere in the Olivet Discourse, he makes additional statements indicating that war is the cause of destruction. He said that armies would surround Jerusalem, which they did for three years. He also said that Jerusalem will not have suffered greater tribulation. He said a number of things related to the revolt that actually happened.

And, to be sure, the more destructive side was not the Romans but rather the Jews.

to be sure----your conclusion is idiotic. Your sunday school teacher screwed your mind

That's not Sunday School, Sweetheart, but lemme Sunday School ya' . . .

. . . or is today Tuesday?

No matter.

Jews - Zealots, specifically - were the barbarians. They and their allies the Idumeans starved and plundered the inhabitants of Jerusalem almost as fiercely as they rebelled against the Roman occupiers.

Rome had surrounded the city, effectively cutting off commerce. No one could buy or sell. So the insurgents plundered their own people, who died by the thousands from disease and famine and lay dead in the streets unburied.

A Roman soldier may have thrown the torch that ignited the temple, but the savagery was almost all from the Jews.

as a child----I attended Sunday school far more than I did anything like a synagogue or "Hebrew school"------I understand why you believe that silly crap. Idumeans were ----aka the EDOMITES. The
"zealots" where, in general-----aka PHARISEES like Jesus. Pharisees did not like Edomites. Herod was an Edomite and despised by most jews of that time. It is true that he and the edomites were IN LEAGUE with the Romans. Your history is a bit OFF

At any rate, Zealots and Idumeans persecuted Jews in Jerusalem, and even in some measure in the Judean hinterlands, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[The Original Tree]

I am curious about that one now..



(This is an estimate no exact year is possible)



New Testament

James--A.D. 44-49
Galatians--A.D. 49-50
Matthew--A.D. 50-60
Mark--A.D. 50-60
1 Thessalonians--A.D. 51
2 Thessalonians--A.D. 51-52
1 Corinthians--A.D. 55
2 Corinthians--A.D. 55-56
Romans-- A.D. 56
Luke--A.D. 60-61
Ephesians--A.D. 60-62
Philippians--A.D. 60-62
Philemon--A.D. 60-62
Colossians--A.D. 60-62
Acts--A.D. 62
1 Timothy--A.D. 62-64
Titus--A.D. 62-64
1 Peter--A.D. 64-65
2 Timothy--A.D. 66-67
2 Peter--A.D. 67-68
Hebrews--A.D. 67-69
Jude--A.D. 68-70
John--A.D. 80-90
1 John--A.D. 90-95
2 John--A.D. 90-95
3 John--A.D. 90-95
Revelation--A.D. 94-96








The Romans Destroy the Temple

at Jerusalem, 70 AD


In the year 66 AD the Jews of Judea rebelled against their Roman masters. In response, the Emperor Nero dispatched an army under the generalship of Vespasian to restore order. By the year 68, resistance in the northern part of the province had been eradicated and the Romans turned their full attention to the subjugation of Jerusalem. That same year, the Emperor Nero died by his own hand, creating a power vacuum in Rome. In the resultant chaos, Vespasian was declared Emperor and returned to the Imperial City. It fell to his son, Titus, to lead the remaining army in the assault on Jerusalem.


Roman Centurian
The Roman legions surrounded the city and began to slowly squeeze the life out of the Jewish stronghold. By the year 70, the attackers had breached Jerusalem's outer walls and began a systematic ransacking of the city. The assault culminated in the burning and destruction of the Temple that served as the center of Judaism.

In victory, the Romans slaughtered thousands. Of those sparred from death: thousands more were enslaved and sent to toil in the mines of Egypt, others were dispersed to arenas throughout the Empire to be butchered for the amusement of the public. The Temple's sacred relics were taken to Rome where they were displayed in celebration of the victory.

The rebellion sputtered on for another three years and was finally extinguished in 73 AD with the fall of the various pockets of resistance including the stronghold at Masada.

"...the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy."

Our only first-hand account of the Roman assault on the Temple comes from the Jewish historian Josephus Flavius. Josephus was a former leader of the Jewish Revolt who had surrendered to the Romans and had won favor from Vespasian. In gratitude, Josephus took on Vespasian's family name - Flavius - as his own. We join his account as the Romans fight their way into the inner sanctum of the Temple:

"...the rebels shortly after attacked the Romans again, and a clash followed between the guards of the sanctuary and the troops who were putting out the fire inside the inner court; the latter routed the Jews and followed in hot pursuit right up to the Temple itself. Then one of the soldiers, without awaiting any orders and with no dread of so momentous a deed, but urged on by some supernatural force, snatched a blazing piece of wood and, climbing on another soldier's back, hurled the flaming brand through a low golden window that gave access, on the north side, to the rooms that surrounded the sanctuary. As the flames shot up, the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy; they flocked to the rescue, with no thought of sparing their lives or husbanding their strength; for the sacred structure that they had constantly guarded with such devotion was vanishing before their very eyes.



...No exhortation or threat could now restrain the impetuosity of the legions; for passion was in supreme command. Crowded together around the entrances, many were trampled down by their companions; others, stumbling on the smoldering and smoked-filled ruins of the porticoes, died as miserably as the defeated. As they drew closer to the Temple, they pretended not even to hear Caesar's orders, but urged the men in front to throw in more firebrands. The rebels were powerless to help; carnage and flight spread throughout.

Most of the slain were peaceful citizens, weak and unarmed, and they were butchered where they were caught. The heap of corpses mounted higher and higher about the altar; a stream of blood flowed down the Temple's steps, and the bodies of those slain at the top slipped to the bottom.

Do you know what Revelation is about?

The Book of Revelations is first about the different types of Churches and directives given to them. But most of The Book of Revelations is for The Jews and is a foretelling for them of what is to happen during The End Times. I believe the 144,000 during The Great Tribulation will preach from The Book of Revelations and book of Daniel as well as preach about The Messianic References in The Old Testament and their fulfillment in The New Testament. Many Jews during The Reign of Anti-Chirst will accept Messiah in my opinion and during the middle of the 7 year peace treaty when Anti-Christ declares himself as god, Jews and Christians of that day will reject him enflaming his Wrath against them, and he will go to war and persecute any Christians and Jews he can find.

It's not the Book of Revelations; it's the Book of Revelation. The Revelator is writing of one revelation - the Christ's having come in judgment. Revelation is not about churches; it's only addressed to the churches, who, with John, witnessed the tribulation (1:9).

That's not my opinion; it's scripture.

An observation about the 144,000, whom we can call the elect, or the sealed (7:4). Note that this remnant was followed into the throne room of God by an inestimable number of others (7:9). Two assemblies whose witness for God may have been deadened for 3 1/2 years but it was then resurrected to resume where they had left off.

I said it was initially to The Churches. However a lot of what is said during Revelations is about The Great Tribulation. The Church at that time has been removed from The Earth. The 144,000 are 12,000 Jews from each Tribe who go out to preach The Gospel during The Great Tribulation to their fellow Jews and uncommitted Gentiles. By Uncommitted I mean, they have not accepted The Mark of Anti-Christ or worshiped The Anti-Christ. Yes, Revelations is to The Church, but it is also to The Jew especially during The End Times. As I said, I believe The Two Witnesses and the 144,000 will preach from Revelations and Daniel as well as preach on Old Testament references to Messiah. That is their role, to preach The Gospel and preach the coming of Christ.

 

[norwegen]

I am curious about that one now..



(This is an estimate no exact year is possible)



New Testament

James--A.D. 44-49
Galatians--A.D. 49-50
Matthew--A.D. 50-60
Mark--A.D. 50-60
1 Thessalonians--A.D. 51
2 Thessalonians--A.D. 51-52
1 Corinthians--A.D. 55
2 Corinthians--A.D. 55-56
Romans-- A.D. 56
Luke--A.D. 60-61
Ephesians--A.D. 60-62
Philippians--A.D. 60-62
Philemon--A.D. 60-62
Colossians--A.D. 60-62
Acts--A.D. 62
1 Timothy--A.D. 62-64
Titus--A.D. 62-64
1 Peter--A.D. 64-65
2 Timothy--A.D. 66-67
2 Peter--A.D. 67-68
Hebrews--A.D. 67-69
Jude--A.D. 68-70
John--A.D. 80-90
1 John--A.D. 90-95
2 John--A.D. 90-95
3 John--A.D. 90-95
Revelation--A.D. 94-96








The Romans Destroy the Temple

at Jerusalem, 70 AD


In the year 66 AD the Jews of Judea rebelled against their Roman masters. In response, the Emperor Nero dispatched an army under the generalship of Vespasian to restore order. By the year 68, resistance in the northern part of the province had been eradicated and the Romans turned their full attention to the subjugation of Jerusalem. That same year, the Emperor Nero died by his own hand, creating a power vacuum in Rome. In the resultant chaos, Vespasian was declared Emperor and returned to the Imperial City. It fell to his son, Titus, to lead the remaining army in the assault on Jerusalem.


Roman Centurian
The Roman legions surrounded the city and began to slowly squeeze the life out of the Jewish stronghold. By the year 70, the attackers had breached Jerusalem's outer walls and began a systematic ransacking of the city. The assault culminated in the burning and destruction of the Temple that served as the center of Judaism.

In victory, the Romans slaughtered thousands. Of those sparred from death: thousands more were enslaved and sent to toil in the mines of Egypt, others were dispersed to arenas throughout the Empire to be butchered for the amusement of the public. The Temple's sacred relics were taken to Rome where they were displayed in celebration of the victory.

The rebellion sputtered on for another three years and was finally extinguished in 73 AD with the fall of the various pockets of resistance including the stronghold at Masada.

"...the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy."

Our only first-hand account of the Roman assault on the Temple comes from the Jewish historian Josephus Flavius. Josephus was a former leader of the Jewish Revolt who had surrendered to the Romans and had won favor from Vespasian. In gratitude, Josephus took on Vespasian's family name - Flavius - as his own. We join his account as the Romans fight their way into the inner sanctum of the Temple:

"...the rebels shortly after attacked the Romans again, and a clash followed between the guards of the sanctuary and the troops who were putting out the fire inside the inner court; the latter routed the Jews and followed in hot pursuit right up to the Temple itself. Then one of the soldiers, without awaiting any orders and with no dread of so momentous a deed, but urged on by some supernatural force, snatched a blazing piece of wood and, climbing on another soldier's back, hurled the flaming brand through a low golden window that gave access, on the north side, to the rooms that surrounded the sanctuary. As the flames shot up, the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy; they flocked to the rescue, with no thought of sparing their lives or husbanding their strength; for the sacred structure that they had constantly guarded with such devotion was vanishing before their very eyes.



...No exhortation or threat could now restrain the impetuosity of the legions; for passion was in supreme command. Crowded together around the entrances, many were trampled down by their companions; others, stumbling on the smoldering and smoked-filled ruins of the porticoes, died as miserably as the defeated. As they drew closer to the Temple, they pretended not even to hear Caesar's orders, but urged the men in front to throw in more firebrands. The rebels were powerless to help; carnage and flight spread throughout.

Most of the slain were peaceful citizens, weak and unarmed, and they were butchered where they were caught. The heap of corpses mounted higher and higher about the altar; a stream of blood flowed down the Temple's steps, and the bodies of those slain at the top slipped to the bottom.

Do you know what Revelation is about?

The Book of Revelations is first about the different types of Churches and directives given to them. But most of The Book of Revelations is for The Jews and is a foretelling for them of what is to happen during The End Times. I believe the 144,000 during The Great Tribulation will preach from The Book of Revelations and book of Daniel as well as preach about The Messianic References in The Old Testament and their fulfillment in The New Testament. Many Jews during The Reign of Anti-Chirst will accept Messiah in my opinion and during the middle of the 7 year peace treaty when Anti-Christ declares himself as god, Jews and Christians of that day will reject him enflaming his Wrath against them, and he will go to war and persecute any Christians and Jews he can find.

It's not the Book of Revelations; it's the Book of Revelation. The Revelator is writing of one revelation - the Christ's having come in judgment. Revelation is not about churches; it's only addressed to the churches, who, with John, witnessed the tribulation (1:9).

That's not my opinion; it's scripture.

An observation about the 144,000, whom we can call the elect, or the sealed (7:4). Note that this remnant was followed into the throne room of God by an inestimable number of others (7:9). Two assemblies whose witness for God may have been deadened for 3 1/2 years but it was then resurrected to resume where they had left off.

I said it was initially to The Churches. However a lot of what is said during Revelations is about The Great Tribulation. The Church at that time has been removed from The Earth. The 144,000 are 12,000 Jews from each Tribe who go out to preach The Gospel during The Great Tribulation to their fellow Jews and uncommitted Gentiles. By Uncommitted I mean, they have not accepted The Mark of Anti-Christ or worshiped The Anti-Christ. Yes, Revelations is to The Church, but it is also to The Jew especially during The End Times. As I said, I believe The Two Witnesses and the 144,000 will preach from Revelations and Daniel as well as preach on Old Testament references to Messiah. That is their role, to preach The Gospel and preach the coming of Christ.

What you believe is your prerogative, of course. Is it scriptural? Who says the 144,000 preach the Gospel during the Great Tribulation? Did you read that in Revelation somewhere? Yes, I said Revelation. One of the first indicators of credibility is at least getting the title right.

And what Great Tribulation? The one in 7:14? Will it wreak havoc on the world?

 

[The Original Tree]

I am curious about that one now..



(This is an estimate no exact year is possible)



New Testament

James--A.D. 44-49
Galatians--A.D. 49-50
Matthew--A.D. 50-60
Mark--A.D. 50-60
1 Thessalonians--A.D. 51
2 Thessalonians--A.D. 51-52
1 Corinthians--A.D. 55
2 Corinthians--A.D. 55-56
Romans-- A.D. 56
Luke--A.D. 60-61
Ephesians--A.D. 60-62
Philippians--A.D. 60-62
Philemon--A.D. 60-62
Colossians--A.D. 60-62
Acts--A.D. 62
1 Timothy--A.D. 62-64
Titus--A.D. 62-64
1 Peter--A.D. 64-65
2 Timothy--A.D. 66-67
2 Peter--A.D. 67-68
Hebrews--A.D. 67-69
Jude--A.D. 68-70
John--A.D. 80-90
1 John--A.D. 90-95
2 John--A.D. 90-95
3 John--A.D. 90-95
Revelation--A.D. 94-96








The Romans Destroy the Temple

at Jerusalem, 70 AD


In the year 66 AD the Jews of Judea rebelled against their Roman masters. In response, the Emperor Nero dispatched an army under the generalship of Vespasian to restore order. By the year 68, resistance in the northern part of the province had been eradicated and the Romans turned their full attention to the subjugation of Jerusalem. That same year, the Emperor Nero died by his own hand, creating a power vacuum in Rome. In the resultant chaos, Vespasian was declared Emperor and returned to the Imperial City. It fell to his son, Titus, to lead the remaining army in the assault on Jerusalem.


Roman Centurian
The Roman legions surrounded the city and began to slowly squeeze the life out of the Jewish stronghold. By the year 70, the attackers had breached Jerusalem's outer walls and began a systematic ransacking of the city. The assault culminated in the burning and destruction of the Temple that served as the center of Judaism.

In victory, the Romans slaughtered thousands. Of those sparred from death: thousands more were enslaved and sent to toil in the mines of Egypt, others were dispersed to arenas throughout the Empire to be butchered for the amusement of the public. The Temple's sacred relics were taken to Rome where they were displayed in celebration of the victory.

The rebellion sputtered on for another three years and was finally extinguished in 73 AD with the fall of the various pockets of resistance including the stronghold at Masada.

"...the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy."

Our only first-hand account of the Roman assault on the Temple comes from the Jewish historian Josephus Flavius. Josephus was a former leader of the Jewish Revolt who had surrendered to the Romans and had won favor from Vespasian. In gratitude, Josephus took on Vespasian's family name - Flavius - as his own. We join his account as the Romans fight their way into the inner sanctum of the Temple:

"...the rebels shortly after attacked the Romans again, and a clash followed between the guards of the sanctuary and the troops who were putting out the fire inside the inner court; the latter routed the Jews and followed in hot pursuit right up to the Temple itself. Then one of the soldiers, without awaiting any orders and with no dread of so momentous a deed, but urged on by some supernatural force, snatched a blazing piece of wood and, climbing on another soldier's back, hurled the flaming brand through a low golden window that gave access, on the north side, to the rooms that surrounded the sanctuary. As the flames shot up, the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy; they flocked to the rescue, with no thought of sparing their lives or husbanding their strength; for the sacred structure that they had constantly guarded with such devotion was vanishing before their very eyes.



...No exhortation or threat could now restrain the impetuosity of the legions; for passion was in supreme command. Crowded together around the entrances, many were trampled down by their companions; others, stumbling on the smoldering and smoked-filled ruins of the porticoes, died as miserably as the defeated. As they drew closer to the Temple, they pretended not even to hear Caesar's orders, but urged the men in front to throw in more firebrands. The rebels were powerless to help; carnage and flight spread throughout.

Most of the slain were peaceful citizens, weak and unarmed, and they were butchered where they were caught. The heap of corpses mounted higher and higher about the altar; a stream of blood flowed down the Temple's steps, and the bodies of those slain at the top slipped to the bottom.

Do you know what Revelation is about?

The Book of Revelations is first about the different types of Churches and directives given to them. But most of The Book of Revelations is for The Jews and is a foretelling for them of what is to happen during The End Times. I believe the 144,000 during The Great Tribulation will preach from The Book of Revelations and book of Daniel as well as preach about The Messianic References in The Old Testament and their fulfillment in The New Testament. Many Jews during The Reign of Anti-Chirst will accept Messiah in my opinion and during the middle of the 7 year peace treaty when Anti-Christ declares himself as god, Jews and Christians of that day will reject him enflaming his Wrath against them, and he will go to war and persecute any Christians and Jews he can find.

It's not the Book of Revelations; it's the Book of Revelation. The Revelator is writing of one revelation - the Christ's having come in judgment. Revelation is not about churches; it's only addressed to the churches, who, with John, witnessed the tribulation (1:9).

That's not my opinion; it's scripture.

An observation about the 144,000, whom we can call the elect, or the sealed (7:4). Note that this remnant was followed into the throne room of God by an inestimable number of others (7:9). Two assemblies whose witness for God may have been deadened for 3 1/2 years but it was then resurrected to resume where they had left off.

I said it was initially to The Churches. However a lot of what is said during Revelations is about The Great Tribulation. The Church at that time has been removed from The Earth. The 144,000 are 12,000 Jews from each Tribe who go out to preach The Gospel during The Great Tribulation to their fellow Jews and uncommitted Gentiles. By Uncommitted I mean, they have not accepted The Mark of Anti-Christ or worshiped The Anti-Christ. Yes, Revelations is to The Church, but it is also to The Jew especially during The End Times. As I said, I believe The Two Witnesses and the 144,000 will preach from Revelations and Daniel as well as preach on Old Testament references to Messiah. That is their role, to preach The Gospel and preach the coming of Christ.

What you believe is your prerogative, of course. Is it scriptural? Who says the 144,000 preach the Gospel during the Great Tribulation? Did you read that in Revelation somewhere? Yes, I said Revelation. One of the first indicators of credibility is at least getting the title right.

And what Great Tribulation? The one in 7:14? Will it wreak havoc on the world?

The Seal, Trumpet, and Bowl Judgments are all part of The Great Tribulation. In all there are 21 Judgments that are to befall The Earth during that time.

TRIBULATION 7 SEALS, 7 TRUMPETS, 7 BOWLS – CHART

I do not agree with much of what is said in this link, but it is a logical explanation about the 144,000. It is just one man's interpretation.
Who Are The 144,000 in Revelation 7?

I like this explanation better.

The Mysterious 144,000

What is the Purpose of the 144,000?
What is the role of these 144,000 Jews during the Tribulation? What is their purpose? All the text says is that they will be “bond-servants of God” (Revelation 7:3).

But the context indicates that they will serve the Lord as evangelists. I say this because their description is followed immediately by the description of “a great multitude which no one can count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues” (Revelation 7:9). John sees this great host of people in Heaven standing before the throne of God, and he asks “Who are they, and from where have they come?” (Revelation 7:13). He is told that they are people who have come out of the Great Tribulation who “have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb” (Revelation 7:14).

In other words, this multitude of Gentiles are those who accept Jesus after the Rapture and who are martyred for their faith during the Tribulation.

Because they are placed adjacent to the 144,000 believing Jews, the implication is that they are converted by the Jews during the Tribulation.


And I believe the 144,000 evangelize The Great Multitude which are The Great Tribulation Saints who come to Christ during The Great Tribulation since they are mentioned together in the same chapter.

Revelation 7:13-17

13 Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?” 14 “Sir,” I answered, “you know.” So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb

15 For this reason, ‘They are before the throne of God and serve Him day and night in His temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them. 16 Never again will they hunger, and never will they thirst; nor will the sun beat down upon them, nor any scorching heat. 17 For the Lamb in the center of the throne will be their shepherd. He will lead them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’”

 

[Crixus]

I am curious about that one now..



(This is an estimate no exact year is possible)



New Testament

James--A.D. 44-49
Galatians--A.D. 49-50
Matthew--A.D. 50-60
Mark--A.D. 50-60
1 Thessalonians--A.D. 51
2 Thessalonians--A.D. 51-52
1 Corinthians--A.D. 55
2 Corinthians--A.D. 55-56
Romans-- A.D. 56
Luke--A.D. 60-61
Ephesians--A.D. 60-62
Philippians--A.D. 60-62
Philemon--A.D. 60-62
Colossians--A.D. 60-62
Acts--A.D. 62
1 Timothy--A.D. 62-64
Titus--A.D. 62-64
1 Peter--A.D. 64-65
2 Timothy--A.D. 66-67
2 Peter--A.D. 67-68
Hebrews--A.D. 67-69
Jude--A.D. 68-70
John--A.D. 80-90
1 John--A.D. 90-95
2 John--A.D. 90-95
3 John--A.D. 90-95
Revelation--A.D. 94-96








The Romans Destroy the Temple

at Jerusalem, 70 AD


In the year 66 AD the Jews of Judea rebelled against their Roman masters. In response, the Emperor Nero dispatched an army under the generalship of Vespasian to restore order. By the year 68, resistance in the northern part of the province had been eradicated and the Romans turned their full attention to the subjugation of Jerusalem. That same year, the Emperor Nero died by his own hand, creating a power vacuum in Rome. In the resultant chaos, Vespasian was declared Emperor and returned to the Imperial City. It fell to his son, Titus, to lead the remaining army in the assault on Jerusalem.


Roman Centurian
The Roman legions surrounded the city and began to slowly squeeze the life out of the Jewish stronghold. By the year 70, the attackers had breached Jerusalem's outer walls and began a systematic ransacking of the city. The assault culminated in the burning and destruction of the Temple that served as the center of Judaism.

In victory, the Romans slaughtered thousands. Of those sparred from death: thousands more were enslaved and sent to toil in the mines of Egypt, others were dispersed to arenas throughout the Empire to be butchered for the amusement of the public. The Temple's sacred relics were taken to Rome where they were displayed in celebration of the victory.

The rebellion sputtered on for another three years and was finally extinguished in 73 AD with the fall of the various pockets of resistance including the stronghold at Masada.

"...the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy."

Our only first-hand account of the Roman assault on the Temple comes from the Jewish historian Josephus Flavius. Josephus was a former leader of the Jewish Revolt who had surrendered to the Romans and had won favor from Vespasian. In gratitude, Josephus took on Vespasian's family name - Flavius - as his own. We join his account as the Romans fight their way into the inner sanctum of the Temple:

"...the rebels shortly after attacked the Romans again, and a clash followed between the guards of the sanctuary and the troops who were putting out the fire inside the inner court; the latter routed the Jews and followed in hot pursuit right up to the Temple itself. Then one of the soldiers, without awaiting any orders and with no dread of so momentous a deed, but urged on by some supernatural force, snatched a blazing piece of wood and, climbing on another soldier's back, hurled the flaming brand through a low golden window that gave access, on the north side, to the rooms that surrounded the sanctuary. As the flames shot up, the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy; they flocked to the rescue, with no thought of sparing their lives or husbanding their strength; for the sacred structure that they had constantly guarded with such devotion was vanishing before their very eyes.



...No exhortation or threat could now restrain the impetuosity of the legions; for passion was in supreme command. Crowded together around the entrances, many were trampled down by their companions; others, stumbling on the smoldering and smoked-filled ruins of the porticoes, died as miserably as the defeated. As they drew closer to the Temple, they pretended not even to hear Caesar's orders, but urged the men in front to throw in more firebrands. The rebels were powerless to help; carnage and flight spread throughout.

Most of the slain were peaceful citizens, weak and unarmed, and they were butchered where they were caught. The heap of corpses mounted higher and higher about the altar; a stream of blood flowed down the Temple's steps, and the bodies of those slain at the top slipped to the bottom.

Because those were Jews, not people silly.

 

[norwegen]

Do you know what Revelation is about?

The Book of Revelations is first about the different types of Churches and directives given to them. But most of The Book of Revelations is for The Jews and is a foretelling for them of what is to happen during The End Times. I believe the 144,000 during The Great Tribulation will preach from The Book of Revelations and book of Daniel as well as preach about The Messianic References in The Old Testament and their fulfillment in The New Testament. Many Jews during The Reign of Anti-Chirst will accept Messiah in my opinion and during the middle of the 7 year peace treaty when Anti-Christ declares himself as god, Jews and Christians of that day will reject him enflaming his Wrath against them, and he will go to war and persecute any Christians and Jews he can find.

It's not the Book of Revelations; it's the Book of Revelation. The Revelator is writing of one revelation - the Christ's having come in judgment. Revelation is not about churches; it's only addressed to the churches, who, with John, witnessed the tribulation (1:9).

That's not my opinion; it's scripture.

An observation about the 144,000, whom we can call the elect, or the sealed (7:4). Note that this remnant was followed into the throne room of God by an inestimable number of others (7:9). Two assemblies whose witness for God may have been deadened for 3 1/2 years but it was then resurrected to resume where they had left off.

I said it was initially to The Churches. However a lot of what is said during Revelations is about The Great Tribulation. The Church at that time has been removed from The Earth. The 144,000 are 12,000 Jews from each Tribe who go out to preach The Gospel during The Great Tribulation to their fellow Jews and uncommitted Gentiles. By Uncommitted I mean, they have not accepted The Mark of Anti-Christ or worshiped The Anti-Christ. Yes, Revelations is to The Church, but it is also to The Jew especially during The End Times. As I said, I believe The Two Witnesses and the 144,000 will preach from Revelations and Daniel as well as preach on Old Testament references to Messiah. That is their role, to preach The Gospel and preach the coming of Christ.

What you believe is your prerogative, of course. Is it scriptural? Who says the 144,000 preach the Gospel during the Great Tribulation? Did you read that in Revelation somewhere? Yes, I said Revelation. One of the first indicators of credibility is at least getting the title right.

And what Great Tribulation? The one in 7:14? Will it wreak havoc on the world?

The Seal, Trumpet, and Bowl Judgments are all part of The Great Tribulation. In all there are 21 Judgments that are to befall The Earth during that time.

TRIBULATION 7 SEALS, 7 TRUMPETS, 7 BOWLS – CHART

I do not agree with much of what is said in this link, but it is a logical explanation about the 144,000. It is just one man's interpretation.
Who Are The 144,000 in Revelation 7?

I like this explanation better.

The Mysterious 144,000

What is the Purpose of the 144,000?
What is the role of these 144,000 Jews during the Tribulation? What is their purpose? All the text says is that they will be “bond-servants of God” (Revelation 7:3).

But the context indicates that they will serve the Lord as evangelists. I say this because their description is followed immediately by the description of “a great multitude which no one can count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues” (Revelation 7:9). John sees this great host of people in Heaven standing before the throne of God, and he asks “Who are they, and from where have they come?” (Revelation 7:13). He is told that they are people who have come out of the Great Tribulation who “have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb” (Revelation 7:14).

In other words, this multitude of Gentiles are those who accept Jesus after the Rapture and who are martyred for their faith during the Tribulation.

Because they are placed adjacent to the 144,000 believing Jews, the implication is that they are converted by the Jews during the Tribulation.


And I believe the 144,000 evangelize The Great Multitude which are The Great Tribulation Saints who come to Christ during The Great Tribulation since they are mentioned together in the same chapter.

Revelation 7:13-17

13 Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?” 14 “Sir,” I answered, “you know.” So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb

15 For this reason, ‘They are before the throne of God and serve Him day and night in His temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them. 16 Never again will they hunger, and never will they thirst; nor will the sun beat down upon them, nor any scorching heat. 17 For the Lamb in the center of the throne will be their shepherd. He will lead them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’”

You're full of conjecture.

 

[The Original Tree]

The Book of Revelations is first about the different types of Churches and directives given to them. But most of The Book of Revelations is for The Jews and is a foretelling for them of what is to happen during The End Times. I believe the 144,000 during The Great Tribulation will preach from The Book of Revelations and book of Daniel as well as preach about The Messianic References in The Old Testament and their fulfillment in The New Testament. Many Jews during The Reign of Anti-Chirst will accept Messiah in my opinion and during the middle of the 7 year peace treaty when Anti-Christ declares himself as god, Jews and Christians of that day will reject him enflaming his Wrath against them, and he will go to war and persecute any Christians and Jews he can find.

It's not the Book of Revelations; it's the Book of Revelation. The Revelator is writing of one revelation - the Christ's having come in judgment. Revelation is not about churches; it's only addressed to the churches, who, with John, witnessed the tribulation (1:9).

That's not my opinion; it's scripture.

An observation about the 144,000, whom we can call the elect, or the sealed (7:4). Note that this remnant was followed into the throne room of God by an inestimable number of others (7:9). Two assemblies whose witness for God may have been deadened for 3 1/2 years but it was then resurrected to resume where they had left off.

I said it was initially to The Churches. However a lot of what is said during Revelations is about The Great Tribulation. The Church at that time has been removed from The Earth. The 144,000 are 12,000 Jews from each Tribe who go out to preach The Gospel during The Great Tribulation to their fellow Jews and uncommitted Gentiles. By Uncommitted I mean, they have not accepted The Mark of Anti-Christ or worshiped The Anti-Christ. Yes, Revelations is to The Church, but it is also to The Jew especially during The End Times. As I said, I believe The Two Witnesses and the 144,000 will preach from Revelations and Daniel as well as preach on Old Testament references to Messiah. That is their role, to preach The Gospel and preach the coming of Christ.

What you believe is your prerogative, of course. Is it scriptural? Who says the 144,000 preach the Gospel during the Great Tribulation? Did you read that in Revelation somewhere? Yes, I said Revelation. One of the first indicators of credibility is at least getting the title right.

And what Great Tribulation? The one in 7:14? Will it wreak havoc on the world?

The Seal, Trumpet, and Bowl Judgments are all part of The Great Tribulation. In all there are 21 Judgments that are to befall The Earth during that time.

TRIBULATION 7 SEALS, 7 TRUMPETS, 7 BOWLS – CHART

I do not agree with much of what is said in this link, but it is a logical explanation about the 144,000. It is just one man's interpretation.
Who Are The 144,000 in Revelation 7?

I like this explanation better.

The Mysterious 144,000

What is the Purpose of the 144,000?
What is the role of these 144,000 Jews during the Tribulation? What is their purpose? All the text says is that they will be “bond-servants of God” (Revelation 7:3).

But the context indicates that they will serve the Lord as evangelists. I say this because their description is followed immediately by the description of “a great multitude which no one can count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues” (Revelation 7:9). John sees this great host of people in Heaven standing before the throne of God, and he asks “Who are they, and from where have they come?” (Revelation 7:13). He is told that they are people who have come out of the Great Tribulation who “have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb” (Revelation 7:14).

In other words, this multitude of Gentiles are those who accept Jesus after the Rapture and who are martyred for their faith during the Tribulation.

Because they are placed adjacent to the 144,000 believing Jews, the implication is that they are converted by the Jews during the Tribulation.


And I believe the 144,000 evangelize The Great Multitude which are The Great Tribulation Saints who come to Christ during The Great Tribulation since they are mentioned together in the same chapter.

Revelation 7:13-17

13 Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?” 14 “Sir,” I answered, “you know.” So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb

15 For this reason, ‘They are before the throne of God and serve Him day and night in His temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them. 16 Never again will they hunger, and never will they thirst; nor will the sun beat down upon them, nor any scorching heat. 17 For the Lamb in the center of the throne will be their shepherd. He will lead them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’”

You're full of conjecture.

The only way to know for sure is to actually be present during The Great Tribulation and Reign of Anti-Christ. No one in their right mind would willingly volunteer for that if they did not have to. Perilous Times.

Until then, we study scripture that tells us about such things. Israel's Dry Bones have been resurrected. As you know Israel is the only Nation in the History of the World that was resurrected in this fashion and was prophesied to be reborn in the way it was.

Either The Bible is True, or it is not. There is no in between. The Existence of Israel tells me it is True, and since it is True, The Prophecies Regarding Israel, and The Return of Messiah are True.

 

[irosie91]

he (or Matthew) left out the part ----the romans will do it and barbarically murder lots of people and steal all valuable objects. Jesus seemed to say that it will just kinda fall
apart

Jesus said that the temple would be thrown down.

Elsewhere in the Olivet Discourse, he makes additional statements indicating that war is the cause of destruction. He said that armies would surround Jerusalem, which they did for three years. He also said that Jerusalem will not have suffered greater tribulation. He said a number of things related to the revolt that actually happened.

And, to be sure, the more destructive side was not the Romans but rather the Jews.

to be sure----your conclusion is idiotic. Your sunday school teacher screwed your mind

That's not Sunday School, Sweetheart, but lemme Sunday School ya' . . .

. . . or is today Tuesday?

No matter.

Jews - Zealots, specifically - were the barbarians. They and their allies the Idumeans starved and plundered the inhabitants of Jerusalem almost as fiercely as they rebelled against the Roman occupiers.

Rome had surrounded the city, effectively cutting off commerce. No one could buy or sell. So the insurgents plundered their own people, who died by the thousands from disease and famine and lay dead in the streets unburied.

A Roman soldier may have thrown the torch that ignited the temple, but the savagery was almost all from the Jews.

as a child----I attended Sunday school far more than I did anything like a synagogue or "Hebrew school"------I understand why you believe that silly crap. Idumeans were ----aka the EDOMITES. The
"zealots" where, in general-----aka PHARISEES like Jesus. Pharisees did not like Edomites. Herod was an Edomite and despised by most jews of that time. It is true that he and the edomites were IN LEAGUE with the Romans. Your history is a bit OFF

At any rate, Zealots and Idumeans persecuted Jews in Jerusalem, and even in some measure in the Judean hinterlands, if I'm not mistaken.

quite mistaken-----just what jews do you imagine IDUMEANS and zealots persecuted and WHERE were the Idemeans to whom you refer? What are you calling the JUDEAN hinterlands? You got sort of SPECIFIC about a topic about which you know nothing

 

[hobelim]

The only way to know for sure is to actually be present during The Great Tribulation and Reign of Anti-Christ. No one in their right mind would willingly volunteer for that if they did not have to. Perilous Times.

lol.... Its beginning to look like most Christians won't even know that the reign of the antichrist began in 325 ce until Jesus returns to destroy it.

and then they'll probably think that he's the antichrist.