Home invasion...thank goodness victims didn't have a gun...grandfather was beaten to death though...

[2aguy]

Yes....Grandparent's with their 3 month old grand daughter are at their home....when a couple of home invaders break in, tie them up and beat the grand parents......the grand father dies, the grand mother is in the hospital the infant was unharmed....

Whew......it is a good thing they didn't use a gun to stop the attack.....right?

WHY I CARRY Grandfather Killed During Home Invasion Concealed Nation

A 68-year-old grandfather was at his home with his wife and three-month-old grandchild when a group of people broke into their home, then bound and beat them.

The baby was unharmed. The grandmother was taken to the hospital and is said to be expected to survive. The grandfather however, died of his injuries. The victims were identified as Hemchand and Sabitree Bhagwandin.

The incident happened just after 11pm Sunday night in an otherwise quiet neighborhood. At least one neighbor however, has said that in the recent weeks, crime has picked up in their immediate area.

Neighbors, like John Shelley, say they are getting accustomed to the police activity.

“This house was broken into once and the house down the street has been broken into once since we’ve been here,” Shelley said.

It’s a sad reminder of why it is so important to arm ourselves against evil such as this. Police have no motive, and find it to be a seemingly random home invasion. During an interview, Police added:

http://concealednation.org/2015/03/why-i-carry-grandfather-killed-during-home-invasion/

 

[M14 Shooter]

How long did it take the police to get there?

 

[2aguy]

How long did it take the police to get there?

It doesn't say....it does say it happened after 11 p.m. And it was a group of attackers........

 

[M14 Shooter]

Apparently the victims should have called the police sooner than they did.
They have no one to blame but themselves.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Whats with the sarcastic posts that say nothing? Seems to be a fav or RW'ers.

Most republicans logic breaks down when you ask them one question: Why?

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

"...
Deputies say they don't know if anything was taken from the home, and it's not clear yet who called 9-1-1.

Investigators have been on scene about twelve hours."'

Sounds to me like the attackers knew their victims since there was no robbery.

I don't know if you understand how long it takes for someone to break into a home and attack someone. Try less than 30 seconds because a door can be broken down in about 5-10 seconds. So we are all supposed to sleep with one eye open and a gun in our hand? Do you know how many accidental killings happen that way?

Sorry, this is a sorry-assed argument for owning a gun.

 

[Pogo]

Poor 2a. Self-condemned to relentlessly beating his little fearmonger comic book drum in hopes of making the world into the comic book.

What a sad, pathetic existence...

 

[ClosedCaption]

If only that guy had his gun on a track that goes up his sleeve like normal people he couldve done a Chow Young Fat type dive to shoot everyone dead

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[M14 Shooter]

"...
Deputies say they don't know if anything was taken from the home, and it's not clear yet who called 9-1-1.
Investigators have been on scene about twelve hours."'
Sounds to me like the attackers knew their victims since there was no robbery.
I don't know if you understand how long it takes for someone to break into a home and attack someone. Try less than 30 seconds because a door can be broken down in about 5-10 seconds. So we are all supposed to sleep with one eye open and a gun in our hand? Do you know how many accidental killings happen that way?
Sorry, this is a sorry-assed argument for owning a gun.

If defense against a home invasion that results in murder and assault is not a legitimate argument for owning a gun, what is?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Don't forget, in a Progressive Utopia, the police come and shoot everyone

 

[M14 Shooter]

Don't forget, in a Progressive Utopia, the police come and shoot everyone

Except the blacks -- a police officer can never have a legitimate need to shoot a black person.

 

[Katzndogz]

From a leftist point of view the grandparents may have shot more than one assailant. Probably younger than the slain grandfather. Now only one old man is dead. The greater good was served.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

"...
Deputies say they don't know if anything was taken from the home, and it's not clear yet who called 9-1-1.
Investigators have been on scene about twelve hours."'
Sounds to me like the attackers knew their victims since there was no robbery.
I don't know if you understand how long it takes for someone to break into a home and attack someone. Try less than 30 seconds because a door can be broken down in about 5-10 seconds. So we are all supposed to sleep with one eye open and a gun in our hand? Do you know how many accidental killings happen that way?
Sorry, this is a sorry-assed argument for owning a gun.

If defense against a home invasion that results in murder and assault is not a legitimate argument for owning a gun, what is?

I don't think it was a random home invasion. Most crimes committed involve people that know each other.

And even then, like I said, you have to sleep with one eye open and a gun in your hand? Better to reinforce your home than accidentally shoot a family member if things in your personal life are that bad.

 

[JFK_USA]

While that might be a one off story, here is the reality.

1. Only 28% of home invasions are when people are home and only 5.7% of robberies result in some violence. Also in the study, only 20 homes out of 1,000 were burglarized from 2000 to 2007. So you have a 2% chance within 7 years of getting robbed and the numbers are even less than that where the robbery would turn into something violent.

2. However, 100 children die each year from unintentional gun incidents.

3. Having a gun in the house makes people unsafe. Women are three times more likely to be killed with a gun in the household, even when domestic abuse is not a factor. (Entire study here). When there is a gun in the house, there is a higher rate of suicide and homicide in those homes.

I know the phrase:

"Well its better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it."

True if people weren't actually people. When you have a gun, it wields so much power. That's why men with serious issues of control love it, it makes them feel in control and they can make people do what they want. POWER!!!

However, that zeal for power leads people to do stupid things with the gun that get people killed. I don't think guns should be banned but there needs to be regulations in place to regulate the idiots who buy guns.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

99% of the gun owners in this country can barely shoot a paper target at 30 feet. And that's a STILL paper target, not an attacker moving 30 feet in 3 seconds. I come from a family of certified sharp-shooters. So this is not just my humble opinion.

It's pure fantasy that simply owning a gun will insure your safety. The chances are great of misfiring or not getting to your gun at all and also shooting someone by accident, sort of like Dick Cheney did a few years ago when he shot his friend in the face. Remember that? No? Oh gee......

That is why Joe Biden said it's best to own a sawed-off shotgun. No pointing necessary. No skills necessary. He's not as nutty as you think.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

How long did it take the police to get there?

Too long obviously.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Don't forget, in a Progressive Utopia, the police come and shoot everyone

Except the blacks -- a police officer can never have a legitimate need to shoot a black person.

Yet they do it all the time and with impunity, unless you hadn't noticed. Let me know when the police officers who shot Eric Garner, Michael Brown and Tamir Rice go to jail....dumbass.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

"...
Deputies say they don't know if anything was taken from the home, and it's not clear yet who called 9-1-1.

Investigators have been on scene about twelve hours."'

Sounds to me like the attackers knew their victims since there was no robbery.

I don't know if you understand how long it takes for someone to break into a home and attack someone. Try less than 30 seconds because a door can be broken down in about 5-10 seconds. So we are all supposed to sleep with one eye open and a gun in our hand? Do you know how many accidental killings happen that way?

Sorry, this is a sorry-assed argument for owning a gun.

Yes defending yourself and your family from getting beat to death is a piss poor excuse to arm yourself.

Are you actually that fucking stupid?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

While that might be a one off story, here is the reality.

1. Only 28% of home invasions are when people are home and only 5.7% of robberies result in some violence. Also in the study, only 20 homes out of 1,000 were burglarized from 2000 to 2007. So you have a 2% chance within 7 years of getting robbed and the numbers are even less than that where the robbery would turn into something violent.

2. However, 100 children die each year from unintentional gun incidents.

3. Having a gun in the house makes people unsafe. Women are three times more likely to be killed with a gun in the household, even when domestic abuse is not a factor. (Entire study here). When there is a gun in the house, there is a higher rate of suicide and homicide in those homes.

I know the phrase:

"Well its better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it."

True if people weren't actually people. When you have a gun, it wields so much power. That's why men with serious issues of control love it, it makes them feel in control and they can make people do what they want. POWER!!!

However, that zeal for power leads people to do stupid things with the gun that get people killed. I don't think guns should be banned but there needs to be regulations in place to regulate the idiots who buy guns.

From your link:

Although these studies are useful in demonstrating an association between access to firearms and rates of homicide and suicide at the aggregate level, it is not possible with this methodology to adequately assess whether access to a gun increases the risk of a violent death at the individual level.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

99% of the gun owners in this country can barely shoot a paper target at 30 feet. And that's a STILL paper target, not an attacker moving 30 feet in 3 seconds. I come from a family of certified sharp-shooters. So this is not just my humble opinion.

It's pure fantasy that simply owning a gun will insure your safety. The chances are great of misfiring or not getting to your gun at all and also shooting someone by accident, sort of like Dick Cheney did a few years ago when he shot his friend in the face. Remember that? No? Oh gee......

That is why Joe Biden said it's best to own a sawed-off shotgun. No pointing necessary. No skills necessary. He's not as nutty as you think.

Where is your evidence that 99% of the gun owners in this country can barely shoot a paper target at 30 feet"?

You have to do better than just spout off nonsense.

Misfiring is rare, if you come from a family of sharpshooters like you claim, though I doubt, ask them.