Hobby Lobby Invested in Abortion and Contraception Products

[Little-Acorn]

The Supremes ruled that Hobby Lobby can't be forced by government to pay for insurance policies that provide the contraceptives they object to on religious grounds.

We won. Get over it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Didn't take long to discover this bit of typical rightwing hypocrisy, as reported by Forbes:

Hobby Lobby Invested In Numerous Abortion And Contraception Products While Claiming Religious Objection

Hobby Lobby Invested In Numerous Abortion And Contraception Products While Claiming Religious Objection - Forbes

Savings Incentive and Profit Sharing Plan for Employees of the Hobby Lobby Group

According to the Green family, interfering with an already fertilized egg is tantamount to abortion—an act unacceptable to the family and one they refuse to participate in no matter what the Affordable Care Act may require .

However, it turns out that the owners of Hobby Lobby do not appear to have any problem with profiting from the companies that manufacture the very products that so grievously offend their religious principles.

The following is a summation of the companies manufacturing these products that are held by the Hobby Lobby employee retirement plan, as set forth by Ms. Redden’s remarkable reporting:

These companies include Teva Pharmaceutical Industries, which makes Plan B and ParaGard, a copper IUD, and Actavis ACT +0.26%, which makes a generic version of Plan B and distributes Ella. Other holdings in the mutual funds selected by Hobby Lobby include Pfizer PFE +0.25%, the maker of Cytotec and Prostin E2, which are used to induce abortions; Bayer , which manufactures the hormonal IUDs Skyla and Mirena; AstraZeneca AZN +0.54%, which has an Indian subsidiary that manufactures Prostodin, Cerviprime, and Partocin, three drugs commonly used in abortions; and Forest Laboratories, which makes Cervidil, a drug used to induce abortions. Several funds in the Hobby Lobby retirement plan also invested in Aetna AET -0.49% and Humana, two health insurance companies that cover surgical abortions, abortion drugs, and emergency contraception in many of the health care policies they sell.

I see you don't understand the difference between a Corporation and a Franchise.
The Hobby Lobby Corporation (Group) made those decisions, not the individual owner (Franchise).
The owner of the Hobby Lobby has no problem with his employees who want to pay for it on their own.

Hobby Lobby doesn't contribute to employers' 401K's? Are you sure you want to go with that?

 

[g5000]

Sounds very indirect

It is indirect. Which is why I said someone could have fun looking at other people's 401ks to find out who is invested in oil companies, and arms manufacturers, etc. Turnabout is fair play.

One could criticize Mother Jones for not looking into the investments of liberals. That is where the bias kicks in. But one cannot dismiss the facts Mother Jones uncovered with respect to Hobby Lobby and imply they are lying. They aren't. Hobby Lobby's 401k plans do indeed invest in companies which profit from abortifacients.


It is virtually impossible to invest in a 401k that is morally pure from whatever one's viewpoint is.

The idea that Hobby Lobby willfully knew they were receiving blood money from abortifacient manufacturers is a bit of a stretch.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Straight from Mother Jones. I don't think so. Those companies they invested in don't specialize in just making abortifacients. They make a wide array of drugs that the Hobby Lobby plan covers.

Thread fail. Citing Mother Jones and touting an opinion piece was your first mistakes.

It's quoted and verified by Forbes. ANd of course you didn't click on the link to the IRS returns either, now did you?

They knew what those pharmas were making and they kept the stock anyway.

Post fail, bub.

It is an OPINION PIECE CITING A LEFT LEANING NEWS OUTLET YOU IDIOT.

Wow, posting in bold really makes me look cool!

This is a statement of fact, not opinion:

These companies include Teva Pharmaceutical Industries, which makes Plan B and ParaGard, a copper IUD, and Actavis, which makes a generic version of Plan B and distributes Ella. Other stock holdings in the mutual funds selected by Hobby Lobby include Pfizer, the maker of Cytotec and Prostin E2, which are used to induce abortions; Bayer, which manufactures the hormonal IUDs Skyla and Mirena; AstraZeneca, which has an Indian subsidiary that manufactures Prostodin, Cerviprime, and Partocin, three drugs commonly used in abortions; and Forest Laboratories, which makes Cervidil, a drug used to induce abortions. Several funds in the Hobby Lobby retirement plan also invested in Aetna and Humana, two health insurance companies that cover surgical abortions, abortion drugs, and emergency contraception in many of the health care policies they sell.

Do you even know the difference?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Sounds very indirect

It is indirect. Which is why I said someone could have fun looking at other people's 401ks to find out who is invested in oil companies, and arms manufacturers, etc. Turnabout is fair play.


It is virtually impossible to invest in a 401k that is morally pure from whatever one's viewpoint is.

The idea that Hobby Lobby willfully knew they were receiving blood money from abortifacient manufacturers is a bit of a stretch.

Then why is there a prosperous industry around providing ethical investments for Christians?

 

[NYcarbineer]

It's quoted and verified by Forbes. ANd of course you didn't click on the link to the IRS returns either, now did you?

They knew what those pharmas were making and they kept the stock anyway.

Post fail, bub.

It is an OPINION PIECE CITING A LEFT LEANING NEWS OUTLET YOU IDIOT.

Wow, posting in bold really makes me look cool!

This is a statement of fact, not opinion:

These companies include Teva Pharmaceutical Industries, which makes Plan B and ParaGard, a copper IUD, and Actavis, which makes a generic version of Plan B and distributes Ella. Other stock holdings in the mutual funds selected by Hobby Lobby include Pfizer, the maker of Cytotec and Prostin E2, which are used to induce abortions; Bayer, which manufactures the hormonal IUDs Skyla and Mirena; AstraZeneca, which has an Indian subsidiary that manufactures Prostodin, Cerviprime, and Partocin, three drugs commonly used in abortions; and Forest Laboratories, which makes Cervidil, a drug used to induce abortions. Several funds in the Hobby Lobby retirement plan also invested in Aetna and Humana, two health insurance companies that cover surgical abortions, abortion drugs, and emergency contraception in many of the health care policies they sell.

Do you even know the difference?

No he doesn't.

 

[Kosh]

It's quoted and verified by Forbes. ANd of course you didn't click on the link to the IRS returns either, now did you?

They knew what those pharmas were making and they kept the stock anyway.

Post fail, bub.

It is an OPINION PIECE CITING A LEFT LEANING NEWS OUTLET YOU IDIOT.

Wow, posting in bold really makes me look cool!

You should at least reduce your excuses for not reading something to one per page.

And yet the racist far left Obama drones do this all the time.

The irony of those comments.

 

[Jarhead]

Just a matter of time before we hear how the owners of Hobby Lobby have incestuous sex.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Supremes ruled that Hobby Lobby can't be forced by government to pay for insurance policies that provide the contraceptives they object to on religious grounds.

We won. Get over it.

That this case even happened is only because the Supreme Court upheld the ACA.

Obama won. YOU get over it.

 

[g5000]

What those who are snickering at Hobby Lobby are failing to realize is that the Supreme Court was not making a decision about Hobby Lobby. They were making a decision about religious freedom. This decision applies to all closely held companies, not just Hobby Lobby.

A guy who publishes dirty magazines speaks for us all in the Supreme Court when he fights for freedom of speech even if we all find him personally morally reprehensible.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

But at least some of the profits Hobby Lobby was pocketing came from the sale of abortifacients.

Blood money.

Hypocrisy on a grand scale. Hypocrites hide behind a veil of piety in order to hide their crimes. But eventually someone comes along and pulls the curtain back.

The Greens don't give a phlying phuck about their religious beliefs, they just want to reduce the overall cost of the employee insurance plan.

Slandering the family goes nowhere. The story DID originate in Mother Jones, I would not draw conclusions so soon on hypocrisy.

And again you failed to scratch beneath the story based on YOUR prejudice. MJ's story has been corroborated by every major news agency if you cared to Google it, along with Hobby Lobby's Dept of Labor filings and the IRS links I posted.

Lazy, lazy, lazy. Wingers are so fucking lazy.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

The idea that Hobby Lobby willfully knew they were receiving blood money from abortifacient manufacturers is a bit of a stretch.

Is that a joke? They literally had no idea what they invested their MONEY in?

I find that a little hard to believe.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Those companies they invested in don't specialize in just making abortifacients.

But at least some of the profits Hobby Lobby was pocketing came from the sale of abortifacients.

Blood money.

That's pure and unmitigated bullshit and you know it. They are large pharmaceutical companies who provide other drugs for plans that Hobby Lobby offers. If they didn't invest in them, they probably wouldn't be offering any drugs for any kind of disease or ailment.

 

[Siete]

It is an OPINION PIECE CITING A LEFT LEANING NEWS OUTLET YOU IDIOT.

Wow, posting in bold really makes me look cool!

You should at least reduce your excuses for not reading something to one per page.

And yet the racist far left Obama drones do this all the time.

The irony of those comments.

the " far left" machine has been plugged in !

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Hypocrisy on a grand scale. Hypocrites hide behind a veil of piety in order to hide their crimes. But eventually someone comes along and pulls the curtain back.

The Greens don't give a phlying phuck about their religious beliefs, they just want to reduce the overall cost of the employee insurance plan.

Slandering the family goes nowhere. The story DID originate in Mother Jones, I would not draw conclusions so soon on hypocrisy.

And again you failed to scratch beneath the story based on YOUR prejudice. MJ's story has been corroborated by every major news agency if you cared to Google it, along with Hobby Lobby's Dept of Labor filings and the IRS links I posted.

Lazy, lazy, lazy. Wingers are so fucking lazy.

Not to mention they link to the disclosure itself:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1099360-savings-incentive-and-profit-sharing-plan-for.html

 

[g5000]

Sounds very indirect

It is indirect. Which is why I said someone could have fun looking at other people's 401ks to find out who is invested in oil companies, and arms manufacturers, etc. Turnabout is fair play.


It is virtually impossible to invest in a 401k that is morally pure from whatever one's viewpoint is.

The idea that Hobby Lobby willfully knew they were receiving blood money from abortifacient manufacturers is a bit of a stretch.

Then why is there a prosperous industry around providing ethical investments for Christians?

That is a very new industry.

I'm sure there is also a similar ethical investment industry for hippies. But I doubt a lot of liberals are flocking to it.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It's quoted and verified by Forbes. ANd of course you didn't click on the link to the IRS returns either, now did you?

They knew what those pharmas were making and they kept the stock anyway.

Post fail, bub.

It is an OPINION PIECE CITING A LEFT LEANING NEWS OUTLET YOU IDIOT.

Wow, posting in bold really makes me look cool!

You should at least reduce your excuses for not reading something to one per page.

Perhaps you can reduce your whining over the Supreme Court ruling to a dull roar.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

What those who are snickering at Hobby Lobby are failing to realize is that the Supreme Court was not making a decision about Hobby Lobby. They were making a decision about religious freedom. This decision applies to all closely held companies, not just Hobby Lobby.

A guy who publishes dirty magazines speaks for us all in the Supreme Court when he fights for freedom of speech even if we all find him personally morally reprehensible.

SCOTUS has decided to make it legal to bring religion back into the employee work place. That's what they have done, ultimately. And ultimately this ruling will impact EOE laws.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Those companies they invested in don't specialize in just making abortifacients.

But at least some of the profits Hobby Lobby was pocketing came from the sale of abortifacients.

Blood money.

That's pure and unmitigated bullshit and you know it. They are large pharmaceutical companies who provide other drugs for plans that Hobby Lobby offers. If they didn't invest in them, they probably wouldn't be offering any drugs for any kind of disease or ailment.

Jesus Christ you're fucking stupid. You don't get drug benefits for your employees by investing in pharmaceutical stock in their 401k. You don't even know what the the grown ups are talking about, do ?

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

It is an OPINION PIECE CITING A LEFT LEANING NEWS OUTLET YOU IDIOT.

Wow, posting in bold really makes me look cool!

You should at least reduce your excuses for not reading something to one per page.

Perhaps you can reduce your whining over the Supreme Court ruling to a dull roar.

There's no whining. All the links are there for you to discover the data trail yourself. Except you are lazy, like Peach.