Hillary and the convention

[Angel Heart]

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[Care4all]

well, she should be given her due, like every other male candidate that lost....ted kennedy got his delegate count at the convention, senator hart got his due at the convention and his delegate count....

SHE SHOULD BE GIVEN THE SAME respect as the male candidates that lost, anything less, is unacceptable.

 

[Ravi]

I still hope I'll wake up one morning to find Hillary is the nominee and not Obama.

 

[Care4all]

I still hope I'll wake up one morning to find Hillary is the nominee and not Obama.

me too ravi, me too....

 

[Jeepers]

Naa.. I cant go there.. but I did cringe when obama wanted to seat 100% of Florida and Michigan delegates...

 

[Care4all]

Naa.. I cant go there.. but I did cringe when obama wanted to seat 100% of Florida and Michigan delegates...

How CONVENIENT of him to now want this.....

If all delegates were going to be seated and were all counted beforehand then Hillary would be our nominee.... giving them a full seating now is useless pandering...imo

still haven't heeled yet from the DNC's moves to unfairly put obama in power as their candidate....accepting a poll as the people's vote is still unacceptable to me and always will be....

especially since it has been proven that obama loses 3% to 5% of the polling percentages when people actually come down to voting in a PRIVATE booth....heard some call it the Bradley effect?

 

[Jon]

I still hope I'll wake up one morning to find Hillary is the nominee and not Obama.

Don't we all. I'd dump McCain like a bad habit.

 

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[JZcrayZ]

I still hope I'll wake up one morning to find Hillary is the nominee and not Obama.

Unfortunately you'll have to deal with the reality of the situation. Which is that Obama is the next best thing to Hillary.

 

[editec]

I find it hard to believe that the same neo-con supporters who pilloried Hillary, suddenly want her to be the Democratic candidate enough that they'd vote for her, rather than McCain.

That's imply preposerous

That sounds more like a neo-con talking point, rather than any kind of reality.

Sowing seeds of doubt about O in the minds of Ds and disention among the D party, seems to be the point of it, frankly.

I think the neo-cons are simply scared to death of Obama.

He doesn't have Hillaries political baggage, PLUS his is far more charismatic than Hill or John. He might very well end up as popular as JFK as the thought of another charismatic democrat in the oval office scares the shit out of the neo-c0ns.

I don't think 1 in 10,000 people currently planning on voting R, would change their votes if Hillary was suddenly nominated by the Ds.

 

[Care4all]

I find it hard to believe that the same neo-con supporters who pilloried Hillary, suddenly want her to be the Democratic candidate enough that they'd vote for her, rather than McCain.

That's imply preposerous

That sounds more like a neo-con talking point, rather than any kind of reality.

Sowing seeds of doubt about O in the minds of Ds and disention among the D party, seems to be the point of it, frankly.

I think the neo-cons are simply scared to death of Obama.

He doesn't have Hillaries political baggage, PLUS his is far more charismatic than Hill or John. He might very well end up as popular as JFK as the thought of another charismatic democrat in the oval office scares the shit out of the neo-c0ns.

I don't think 1 in 10,000 people currently planning on voting R, would change their votes if Hillary was suddenly nominated by the Ds.

I don't think Obama comes close to Kennedy, and i don't think he ever could....he may end up being a good president, but not a kennedy or with kennedy type support.... I don't believe those 18- 25 year olds got Kennedy the nomination or the presidency....

 

[Jon]

I think the neo-cons are simply scared to death of Obama.

Fuck right they are, but not for the reasons you listed.

Which is that Obama is the next best thing to Hillary.

No thanks. I'll take McCain anyday. McCain is a moderate leaning conservative. Hillary is a moderate leaning liberal. Obama is a liberal reaching really far to his left.

 

[JZcrayZ]

I don't think Obama comes close to Kennedy, and i don't think he ever could....he may end up being a good president, but not a kennedy or with kennedy type support.... I don't believe those 18- 25 year olds got Kennedy the nomination or the presidency....

You might want check again. Both Jack and Bobby Kennedy's had a massive amount of support from young voters. They both had messages similar to Obama's, "A time for greatness", "Bring home our boys" etc.

 

[timmeh]

Fuck right they are, but not for the reasons you listed.



No thanks. I'll take McCain anyday. McCain is a moderate leaning conservative. Hillary is a moderate leaning liberal. Obama is a liberal reaching really far to his left.

Who gave you this information, jsanders? Obama and Clinton's policy positions are almost identical. John McCain is the one whose neocon policies mimic those of Bush. Sure, he was a maverick, in 2000. The McCain of 2000 would not vote for the McCain of 2008. You seriously need to get educated on the issues, and also if Hillary supports Obama and agrees with him on almost every policy position, why do you still refuse to vote for him? If John McCain wins this, you diehard Hillary-McCain supporters will get what you deserve.

 

[Jon]

Who gave you this information, jsanders? Obama and Clinton's policy positions are almost identical. John McCain is the one whose neocon policies mimic those of Bush. Sure, he was a maverick, in 2000. The McCain of 2000 would not vote for the McCain of 2008. You seriously need to get educated on the issues, and also if Hillary supports Obama and agrees with him on almost every policy position, why do you still refuse to vote for him? If John McCain wins this, you diehard Hillary-McCain supporters will get what you deserve.

It's you sir that need to research. McCain of 2000 also lost his party's nomination because of his moderate outlooks. He shifted right only in the past 12 months, while he's been campaigning. I think it's safe to say he's shifted right to garner support for his campaign.

It was McCain and Clinton who were almost identical on the issues for years. I can't tell you if Obama is identical to Clinton, since Obama didn't vote for some 50 issues during last year's Senate. He claims to be on page with Clinton, but he doesn't vote for it. He's also the most liberal Senator, while she's 16th. So, they differ enough to have 14 Senators in between them. I don't call that identical.

NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007 (01/31/2008)

 

[timmeh]

It's you sir that need to research. McCain of 2000 also lost his party's nomination because of his moderate outlooks. He shifted right only in the past 12 months, while he's been campaigning. I think it's safe to say he's shifted right to garner support for his campaign.

It was McCain and Clinton who were almost identical on the issues for years. I can't tell you if Obama is identical to Clinton, since Obama didn't vote for some 50 issues during last year's Senate. He claims to be on page with Clinton, but he doesn't vote for it. He's also the most liberal Senator, while she's 16th. So, they differ enough to have 14 Senators in between them. I don't call that identical.

If McCain shifts his positions so easily, how can you trust him in the White House?

How can you tell if McCain is a moderate when he missed over 60% of the votes in the Senate last year? Do you actually believe that national journal bullshit? They based their ratings on about 15 selected votes. How can Obama possibly be more liberal than an actual socialist like Bernie Sanders? Besides, what is the definition of a "liberal vote" and a "conservative vote"? How could you define them?

How can you possibly think Clinton is a moderate anyway? If you believe national journal and Clinton's the 16th most liberal senator, then she must not be too moderate, as 16 isn't anywhere near 50.

 

[Charles_Main]

I still hope I'll wake up one morning to find Hillary is the nominee and not Obama.

Hell me too for that matter. I am not a Hillary fan by any stretch of the Imagination, but I think should would be far better than Obama.

 

[Charles_Main]

If McCain shifts his positions so easily, how can you trust him in the White House?

Obama Shifts just as often and easily, so how can we trust him in the white house either?

 

[JZcrayZ]

Obama Shifts just as often and easily, so how can we trust him in the white house either?

The only shift I can think of is public financing. Which does not have much to do with governing.

 

[Jon]

The only shift I can think of is public financing. Which does not have much to do with governing.

Off-shore drilling.

One example is enough to prove you wrong, and I'm too tired to list all the others.