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Higher voter turnout didn't work in Virginia

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Ever since Barack Obama swept into the White House on the strength of record turnout, it has been an article of faith among Democrats that the more people who vote, the better the party will fare.

When turnout sagged, during the 2010 and the 2014 midterm elections, Republicans won wave elections. In 2016, fewer people voted than in 2012 and Donald Trump won the presidency, shocking Democrats and turbocharging a more explicit Republican argument that making voting harder would make it easier for the GOP to win elections.

Then turnout jumped again in the Trump years — in Virginia four years ago, in special elections and in the 2018 midterms. Joe Biden ousted Trump in a national election with record-high turnout. Republicans spent the next year, in states they control, fighting to make it harder to vote and promoting lies that the 2020 turnout had been stocked with fraudulent Democratic votes.

How then to explain the election Tuesday in Virginia, where Glenn Youngkin, now the Republican governor-elect, beat former Gov. Terry McAuliffe in a contest in which at least 25% more votes were cast than in any governor’s race in the state’s history? (The number will go up; mail-in ballots postmarked by Election Day will be counted as long as they are received by Friday.)

Youngkin won the first governor’s race contested under new voting laws adopted by the Democratic majorities elected in 2019 to the state’s General Assembly.

Virginia Democrats and Gov. Ralph Northam repealed the state’s voter ID law, enacted 45 days of no-excuse absentee voting, made Election Day a state holiday and enacted automatic voter registration for anyone who receives a driver’s license in Virginia.

Making it easier to vote worked.

In this week’s election, McAuliffe won 200,000 votes more than Northam did when he won the 2017 election in a blowout. He won nearly 600,000 more votes than he did in 2013 when he beat Ken Cuccinelli to become governor. He beat his internal turnout targets in Northern Virginia, Richmond and the Norfolk area. Turnout was strong in Black precincts, college towns and the suburbs, all traditional areas of strength for Democratic candidates.

Yet Youngkin still got more votes, buoyed by turnout near presidential-election levels across rural Virginia and better than anticipated numbers in the outer suburbs of Washington. He won far more votes than McAuliffe’s team or virtually any of the public polling had anticipated.
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In some of the most important battleground states, like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, Cecil said, a majority of the voting-age public is white people without college degrees, a demographic that has been trending away from Democrats since 2008 and broke strongly against McAuliffe in Virginia, according to exit polling.

If turnout in the 2022 midterms spikes in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, which both have Senate and governor’s races on the ballot, it may not necessarily benefit the Democratic candidates.
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In the current environment, when Republicans are furious with an increasingly unpopular Democratic president, if Democrats and the White House don’t figure out a way to turn their political fortunes around, it may not matter if Democratic candidates reach their turnout goals in the midterms.

Midterm elections over the past decade have hinged on whose voters are angrier. Right now, Democrats are arguing among themselves about legislation they’ve been negotiating for months, while Republicans have adopted a coded phrase as a stand-in to shout obscenities about Biden.

It’s not hard to predict which side’s voters will be more eager to turn out next year.



From what I can tell, the Democrats (some of them) are doubling down on their lavish spending, bigger gov't ways. The Far Left wants more, not less but the moderate Dems want less not more, and in view of what happened in Virginia and New Jersey their party looks to be headed for another shellacking. It'll be interesting to see how the primaries go next year for the Dems, will the progressives gain or lose seats? And will they lose their House majority in November? Right now I'd bet good money on that.
In otherwords, the dems tried their best to cheat but failed this time as the populous is energized against Biden and the communist dems.
 

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In otherwords, the dems tried their best to cheat but failed this time as the populous is energized against Biden and the communist dems.
In other words

No.

Republicans took advantage of the ease of voting that Dems instituted and Dems didn't.

When you fuckers make it hard for folks to vote you hurt yourselves
 

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Yet nobody can prove... right......


I suggest you check out the Lowder with Crowder episode where he checked the addresses of multiple voters. Found them fraudulent, contacted the registrar, who then did nothing.

It's easy to claim no provable fraud when those in charge refuse to check it.

Like I said, I have been in Nevada far longer than you, and the SEIU has a reputation for vote fraud and intimidation.

You don't care, because you are, evidently, on their side.
 

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In other words

No.

Republicans took advantage of the ease of voting that Dems instituted and Dems didn't.

When you fuckers make it hard for folks to vote you hurt yourselves

Name one voter who was prevented from voting.
 

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Ever since Barack Obama swept into the White House on the strength of record turnout, it has been an article of faith among Democrats that the more people who vote, the better the party will fare.

When turnout sagged, during the 2010 and the 2014 midterm elections, Republicans won wave elections. In 2016, fewer people voted than in 2012 and Donald Trump won the presidency, shocking Democrats and turbocharging a more explicit Republican argument that making voting harder would make it easier for the GOP to win elections.

Then turnout jumped again in the Trump years — in Virginia four years ago, in special elections and in the 2018 midterms. Joe Biden ousted Trump in a national election with record-high turnout. Republicans spent the next year, in states they control, fighting to make it harder to vote and promoting lies that the 2020 turnout had been stocked with fraudulent Democratic votes.

How then to explain the election Tuesday in Virginia, where Glenn Youngkin, now the Republican governor-elect, beat former Gov. Terry McAuliffe in a contest in which at least 25% more votes were cast than in any governor’s race in the state’s history? (The number will go up; mail-in ballots postmarked by Election Day will be counted as long as they are received by Friday.)

Youngkin won the first governor’s race contested under new voting laws adopted by the Democratic majorities elected in 2019 to the state’s General Assembly.

Virginia Democrats and Gov. Ralph Northam repealed the state’s voter ID law, enacted 45 days of no-excuse absentee voting, made Election Day a state holiday and enacted automatic voter registration for anyone who receives a driver’s license in Virginia.

Making it easier to vote worked.

In this week’s election, McAuliffe won 200,000 votes more than Northam did when he won the 2017 election in a blowout. He won nearly 600,000 more votes than he did in 2013 when he beat Ken Cuccinelli to become governor. He beat his internal turnout targets in Northern Virginia, Richmond and the Norfolk area. Turnout was strong in Black precincts, college towns and the suburbs, all traditional areas of strength for Democratic candidates.

Yet Youngkin still got more votes, buoyed by turnout near presidential-election levels across rural Virginia and better than anticipated numbers in the outer suburbs of Washington. He won far more votes than McAuliffe’s team or virtually any of the public polling had anticipated.
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In some of the most important battleground states, like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, Cecil said, a majority of the voting-age public is white people without college degrees, a demographic that has been trending away from Democrats since 2008 and broke strongly against McAuliffe in Virginia, according to exit polling.

If turnout in the 2022 midterms spikes in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, which both have Senate and governor’s races on the ballot, it may not necessarily benefit the Democratic candidates.
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In the current environment, when Republicans are furious with an increasingly unpopular Democratic president, if Democrats and the White House don’t figure out a way to turn their political fortunes around, it may not matter if Democratic candidates reach their turnout goals in the midterms.

Midterm elections over the past decade have hinged on whose voters are angrier. Right now, Democrats are arguing among themselves about legislation they’ve been negotiating for months, while Republicans have adopted a coded phrase as a stand-in to shout obscenities about Biden.

It’s not hard to predict which side’s voters will be more eager to turn out next year.



From what I can tell, the Democrats (some of them) are doubling down on their lavish spending, bigger gov't ways. The Far Left wants more, not less but the moderate Dems want less not more, and in view of what happened in Virginia and New Jersey their party looks to be headed for another shellacking. It'll be interesting to see how the primaries go next year for the Dems, will the progressives gain or lose seats? And will they lose their House majority in November? Right now I'd bet good money on that.

What happened in Virginia is what happened in Nazi Germany. Some came out but too many people stayed home while the right wing fascists came out in droves. They are talking about burning books now. Just like the Nazis. The doomsday clock on our democracy is at 1 minute until midnight.
 

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High voter turnout DID work out! We had a massive number of Republicans turn out, and that, combined with the independents turned off by the the sharp leftist turn, gave us a win.

Republican leaning independents came out.
 

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Yeah that's right, high voter turnout don't mean crap. The problem for democrats is the high voter turnout this go-round consisted of pissed off citizens who cared about their children's welfare and saw a democrat candidate who did nothing but blather about Trump.

That is bullshit. Right wing fascists objected to their children being exposed to the racism that exists in this country. One woman talked about another woman who objected to the teaching that Columbus slaughtered native americans. That is a historical fact.
 

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Sorta true.

Trumpers are still pissed about the "stolen election" and then there's that whole bogus "CRT" nonsense

Dems need to realize that turn out matters in EVERY election.

They win when they turn out. Republicans did...Dems didn't...this time
You have won your last election, we are in the process of wiping out the Dem party.
 

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Really? What about Arizona's audit? And what's going on in Wisconsin? From what I've heard there was some significant fraud going on. Need I remind everyone how close the vote was that elected Al Franken in Minnesota some 12 years ago? He was the 60th vote that got us ObamaCare, and that was pretty significant. They found a bunch of ballots in the trunk of somebody's car and they were all for Franken, but there was no fraud? True, it was/is speculation but that doesn't make it false. And I think the Arizona audit is more than speculation that mail-in fraud did occur. Possibly those states that are all mail-in haven't really looked into the question of fraud? It's not surprising if no fraud issues are found if no one bothers to look for it, or if the evidence of such is destroyed.

Arizona's phony audit concluded Biden won. Nothing went on in Wisconsin. You need a hearing aid.
 

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In otherwords, the dems tried their best to cheat but failed this time as the populous is energized against Biden and the communist dems.

The right wing population is. The question is if everyone else will allow this to happen. If they do not then our democracy is finished.
 

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I suggest you check out the Lowder with Crowder episode where he checked the addresses of multiple voters. Found them fraudulent, contacted the registrar, who then did nothing.

It's easy to claim no provable fraud when those in charge refuse to check it.

Like I said, I have been in Nevada far longer than you, and the SEIU has a reputation for vote fraud and intimidation.

You don't care, because you are, evidently, on their side.

Because he got the addresses wrong dummy.
 

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mail in ballots are wide open for fraud because we don't know who actually received the ballot or who actually sent in the ballot
 

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mail in ballots are wide open for fraud because we don't know who actually received the ballot or who actually sent in the ballot
So you want to take the vote away from our military folks?
 

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It was just when your savior lost it became a problem.

Sorry no, buttwipe. Biden did worse than Obama in every state (which Trump exceeded), EXCEPT the six swing states that stopped counting at 4AM, sent everyone home, then "found" millions of ballots under their beds--- 99% all for Joe.

How does a candidate do far worse than the guy he beat, even lose Ohio, Iowa and Florida which EVERY president has needed, yet still miraculously somehow come out a winner?

Yeah--- I know. You don't know and don't care. PFM.
 

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Sorry no, buttwipe. Biden did worse than Obama in every state (which Trump exceeded), EXCEPT the six swing states that stopped counting at 4AM, sent everyone home, then "found" millions of ballots under their beds--- 99% all for Joe.

How does a candidate do far worse than the guy he beat, even lose Ohio, Iowa and Florida which EVERY president has needed, yet still miraculously somehow come out a winner?

Yeah--- I know. You don't know and don't care. PFM.
Voting numbers and patterns have been explained to you adnauseam. There were no "found" ballots. There was no widespread fraud.
Trump lost. Stop being a whiny little bitch about it. Your boy looks like he's given up the ghost (because he isn't getting any traction out of it).
You should too.
 

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