Zone1 Hey, everyone! Newbie here with a question to the forum vets.

[BULLDOG]

That can't be the reason since you are still here.

The only ones that matter like me. Don't care what you crazies think.

 

[hjmick]

Post like your mother is going to read it for fucks sake...

 

[beautress]

Hey, everyone! As the title says, I'm new here with a question for the forum vets. How do I post here without getting banned?

Background: I registered last night because I was looking for a forum setting to debate politics (getting tired of what I'm seeing on FB). So I registered and then created my first thread in Politics. Shortly thereafter, my thread was deleted. So after seeing that, I thought maybe there are some sort of forum guidelines that I missed about new members creating threads, so I came here to the Introduce Yourself section and made a post inquiring about that. The responses seemed to indicate there is no rule about new members creating threads, so I wrote the deletion off to a glitch. Then I reposted my post. Shortly thereafter, I was banned.

Is there some rule or something that I need to follow in order to participate without getting banned? I come here in good faith. There was no foul language or trolling in my post that was deleted. I honestly have no idea why my post was deleted or why I was banned. I emailed the admins through the "contact us" form but received no response. I'm here again with a new account but I don't want to post anywhere but here until I understand what the rules are.

Welcome to USMB, DD. Hope you enjoy the boards.

All you need to know to stay outta trouble is here: USMB Rules and Guidelines

 

[miketx]

Hey, everyone! As the title says, I'm new here with a question for the forum vets. How do I post here without getting banned?

Background: I registered last night because I was looking for a forum setting to debate politics (getting tired of what I'm seeing on FB). So I registered and then created my first thread in Politics. Shortly thereafter, my thread was deleted. So after seeing that, I thought maybe there are some sort of forum guidelines that I missed about new members creating threads, so I came here to the Introduce Yourself section and made a post inquiring about that. The responses seemed to indicate there is no rule about new members creating threads, so I wrote the deletion off to a glitch. Then I reposted my post. Shortly thereafter, I was banned.

Is there some rule or something that I need to follow in order to participate without getting banned? I come here in good faith. There was no foul language or trolling in my post that was deleted. I honestly have no idea why my post was deleted or why I was banned. I emailed the admins through the "contact us" form but received no response. I'm here again with a new account but I don't want to post anywhere but here until I understand what the rules are.

Just read all my posts and then do as I do!

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The only ones that matter like me. Don't care what you crazies think.

Somebody here likes you?

 

[playtime]

well howdy - welcome to our little corner of the interwebs... can't answer you about the getting banned part - although i was once for a week ~ don't know why, but i digress. anyhoo, i have rarely started any threads, so can't help you there. i just wanted to let you know, we have a complimentary hazmat suit waiting for you at the reception desk.

 

[Oldestyle]

I read through the guidelines, but I still don't see where I violated any rules. This is what I said (below) in the thread I created that was deleted and got me banned. Am I breaking rules somewhere in here? The thread title was originally "Results of Bidenomics" The second time, I think it was "New member looking for engaging discussion on Bidenomics. Data inside." I was trying to go out of my way to explain that I'm looking for engaging discussion on economics.

The actual post:

GDP growth is currently at 5.2% - historically high. Unemployment (U3) is currently at 3.7% - historically low. The stock market is currently at an all time high - historically...record breaking. Pandemic-related (supply shock) inflation is now getting under control as a result of interest rate hikes from the central bank. Economists are now saying we will get a soft landing out of inflation as opposed to a recession. Here in FL where I live, there are 176 infrastructure projects queued up and backed by $8.1B in funding from Biden's historic infrastructure bill to build and repair roads, bridges, public transport, ports, airports, clean water, etc. This will ensure economic prosperity for the next several years during the building phase at the very least.



And yet if I talk to any of my republican voter friends, most tend to disregard all of the economic data mentioned above and instead declare - without any supporting facts or data - that we're actually in the worst economy in 50 years. So with that, I'm curious what republicans voters (I'm including libertarians here as well) here on this board think about the economy?



Here are the facts one more time. 5.2% GDP. 3.7% unemployment. Record high stock market. Solid growth in output. Solid stability in the labor market. Solid value in investment. And as things like the Infrastructure bill and the CHIPs Act play out, there are solid economic prospects for the future for years to come.



I'm going to add in some historical jobs numbers as well, since Joe Biden was also VP in the Obama administration. Quite literally all private sector job growth in the 21st century happened under democratic presidents. The numbers below are from BLS databases (B tables on seasonally adjusted private sector jobs).



Clinton - 2000 to 2001: 1.4M jobs created

W Bush - 2001 to 2009: 373k jobs lost

Obama - 2019 to 2017: 11.8M jobs created

Trump - 2017 to 2021: 2.1M jobs lost

Biden - 2021 to 2023: 12.8M jobs created



GDP expansion and the labor market are some of the most commonly cited data points used by economists to explain the economy, and they always seem to do quite well under democrats, but no so much under republicans. So there is the data for the 21st century.



Putting all of this together, what do republican/libertarian voters of this site make of all of this and Bidenomics? I'm interested in hearing about how you think the economy is doing today, and what data it is you're looking at that leads you to that conclusion. Also curious in what you have to say about the current state of GDP, the labor market, and the stock market. Also curious about what you think about jobs results in the 21st century.



GDP data: https://www.bea.gov/news/2023/gross...-corporate-profits-preliminary-estimate-third

Unemployment rate data: Employment Situation Summary - 2023 M11 Results

Historical jobs data: Establishment data series from the monthly B Tables : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

You do realize that Biden hasn't "created" those jobs? That they were just people returning to existing jobs after the Covid shut downs were over? Sorry but with a first post like that one you show yourself to be somewhat naive.

The economy sucks because inflation has been kicking people's butts for two years now and it wasn't because of Covid supply chain issues. Joe Biden's policies have done that. People can't afford to pay their bills. Do you think anyone cares if the stock market is up if they're forced to work two jobs to put groceries on the table and pay their rent? Come on...use your head!

 

[the other mike]

Hey, everyone! As the title says, I'm new here with a question for the forum vets. How do I post here without getting banned?

Background: I registered last night because I was looking for a forum setting to debate politics (getting tired of what I'm seeing on FB). So I registered and then created my first thread in Politics. Shortly thereafter, my thread was deleted. So after seeing that, I thought maybe there are some sort of forum guidelines that I missed about new members creating threads, so I came here to the Introduce Yourself section and made a post inquiring about that. The responses seemed to indicate there is no rule about new members creating threads, so I wrote the deletion off to a glitch. Then I reposted my post. Shortly thereafter, I was banned.

Is there some rule or something that I need to follow in order to participate without getting banned? I come here in good faith. There was no foul language or trolling in my post that was deleted. I honestly have no idea why my post was deleted or why I was banned. I emailed the admins through the "contact us" form but received no response. I'm here again with a new account but I don't want to post anywhere but here until I understand what the rules are.

Do you specialize in livestock or just all pets in general ? Our vet does both... he's the one we take our dogs to usually.

 

[the other mike]

Welcome to USMB .
The moderators are fairly flexible usually.
Generally the further down you scroll through the forums the more lenient the rules become.

If you have something to get off your chest you might try the flame Zone or Badlands

 

[citygator]

C/C debt is at its all time high, spending is out of control, there is an invasion at our southern border. Everything under the sun costs more
than it did 3 year years ago through high inflation. Housing costs are taking the opportunity away from the middle class. Have you even looked at the mortgage
rates lately? We are weaker as a nation on the world stage. What's really to like?

Biden's employment numbers are mostly made up of people going back to work
after the pandemic. Not like they were new jobs created.

Oh, welcome to the board

Credit card debt is low as I believe i have stated to you on multiple threads.

 

[citygator]

I like the OP. Something about him smells like intelligence.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Credit card debt is low as I believe i have stated to you on multiple threads.

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For some damn reason, i just dont fudging believe anything you lying son of a britch ever says.

Credit card debt has reached a record high. Here's what it means for the economy.

Credit card debt climbed to a record high in the third quarter of 2023, surging nearly 5% from the previous quarter and leaving a growing share of borrowers late on payments, a Federal Reserve report this week showed.

The report demonstrates the dwindling savings held by some consumers who amassed a financial buffer during the pandemic but later burned through it under the strain of rapid price increases, economists told ABC News.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I like the OP. Something about him smells like intelligence.

From one Joe Biden voter to another huh...

 

[Meister]

Credit card debt is low as I believe i have stated to you on multiple threads.

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Debt and credit card debt is two different animals.

 

[citygator]

For some damn reason, i just dont fudging believe anything you lying son of a britch ever says.

Credit card debt has reached a record high. Here's what it means for the economy.

Your income is at a record high, so is your house value. Credit card debt goes up every year. The question is does it go up more than your income? The answer is a resounding NO. That is what i posted. Here is another look at it a different way. I cannot help that you are easily confused.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Your income is at a record high, so is your house value. Credit card debt goes up every year. The question is does it go up more than your income? The answer is a resounding NO. That is what i posted. Here is another look at it a different way. I cannot help that you are easily confused.

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Are you calling ABC news "Liars"?

 

[Meister]

Your income is at a record high, so is your house value. Credit card debt goes up every year. The question is does it go up more than your income? The answer is a resounding NO. That is what i posted. Here is another look at it a different way. I cannot help that you are easily confused.

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The confusion was with you.
Up to 1.08 trillion dollars.

Credit card debt climbed to a record high in the third quarter of 2023, surging nearly 5% from the previous quarter and leaving a growing share of borrowers late on payments, a Federal Reserve report this week showed.

The report demonstrates the dwindling savings held by some consumers who amassed a financial buffer during the pandemic but later burned through it under the strain of rapid price increases, economists told ABC News.

The financial hardship, they added, has fallen primarily on low-income people squeezed between elevated prices and high interest rates who borrowed money to cover the rising expenses.

Credit card debt has reached a record high. Here's what it means for the economy.

Some consumers are burning through pandemic-era savings, experts said.

abcnews.go.com

Go ahead and spin it all you like, slugger.

 

[citygator]

Are you calling ABC news "Liars"?

I am explaining to you the data. If you dont like the explanation I can’t help you. I noticed you didn’t dispute anything I’ve posted so far. Only name calling (trying to get around zone 1 entirely disingenuously) and rantings.

 

[citygator]

The confusion was with you.
Up to 1.08 trillion dollars.

Credit card debt climbed to a record high in the third quarter of 2023, surging nearly 5% from the previous quarter and leaving a growing share of borrowers late on payments, a Federal Reserve report this week showed.

The report demonstrates the dwindling savings held by some consumers who amassed a financial buffer during the pandemic but later burned through it under the strain of rapid price increases, economists told ABC News.

The financial hardship, they added, has fallen primarily on low-income people squeezed between elevated prices and high interest rates who borrowed money to cover the rising expenses.

Credit card debt has reached a record high. Here's what it means for the economy.

Some consumers are burning through pandemic-era savings, experts said.

abcnews.go.com

Go ahead and spin it all you like, slugger.

It’s not spin. The spin is throwing out an unadjusted number. There are 130M more people than 1970 so of course the credit card debt is up. it is down relatively to the 90’s and 2000’s by a lot.

 

[Meister]

It’s not spin. The spin is throwing out an unadjusted number. There are 130M more people than 1970 so of course the credit card debt is up. it is down relatively to the 90’s and 2000’s by a lot.

Just ignore the facts, Citigater.........up 5% from the previous quarter, or did you fail to read that part, or maybe the entire article?