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Not welfare. UC actually solves for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment and helps automatically stabilize our economy on an at-will basis.Yes, means testing is much more expensive. The multiplier for means tested welfare is .08, the multiplier for UC has been measured at 2.Filling all those forms is expensive and time consuming. UC is more cost effective and generates a higher multiplier.You confuse simple poverty with conditions better addressed with means testing. Why would you rather use the more expensive option instead of a more cost effective option that is simpler and more cost effective?EDD could hold the check at their office. Some charities offer mailbox services.They can hold them at the office or get direct deposit. Any simple market based solutions may do.They will be able to afford market friendly solutions once they can obtain UC for simply being unemployed.UC for simply being unemployed means they can then afford rehab in a market friendly manner.Employment is at the will of either party. We should have no homeless problem in our first world economy.Not in our at-will employment States. That is the Whole and Entire Point.You keep missing the capital point. UC actually solves for economic phenomena under our form of Capitalism,unlike means tested welfare.Thanks for agreeing with me. UC is about compensating for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment to ensure more efficient market based arbitrage.Not at all. Demand and supply is what makes capitalism do what it does.Daniel, once again you disagree without disputing anything I posted. Sad.
That is absolutely right. If there is a demand for your labor, you will be properly compensated. If you offer nothing of value, you will not.
And yet, you insist on changing UC into welfare.
If the changes were made to UC that you want, there would be means tests added. If you want to have an income from tax dollars, you have to prove you need them.
Yes, it does. If you have the money to live, why would you receive our tax dollars? Tax dollars are monies that have been forcibly taken from workers and consumers.
Yeah, you have tried this before. Most homelessness is due to drug or alcohol problems or mental health issues. Sending them a check (to what address?) when they have no way of cashing it is ridiculous!
And you make that claim without addressing where the check is mailed, where the check is cashed, and how their money will be protected. And they will not go into rehab if they can continue to drink and do drugs on the tax payer's dime.
Again, where do we mail the check?
Where do they get it cashed?
And as for the security of their income, you want $14 an hour. At 40 hours a week, that is $560.00. It comes to a little over $29,000 per year. So we mail them a check every month for $2,426.67. And you expect them to keep this in their pockets? Living on the street?
They can qualify for welfare and get medical benefits that will pay for their rehab and housing.
Direct deposit? At what bank? What bank will let you open an account without an address or an ID?
Yes, and the same could be done with welfare. But until you deal with their mental health issues and addictions, giving them $2,400 a month is a death sentence.
Means testing is not as expensive as verifying prior employment. Means testing is just an applicant filling out a few forms. Those forms cost very little. Verification is only done on a small percentage.
It is not expensive for the state. It is what you do if you want tax payer funds.
No, it does not generate a higher multiplier and it is NOT more cost effective.
Yes, when it is structured as it currently is. But take away the employer's contribution, the time limits on drawing it, and the requirement to prove you are unemployed through no fault of your own, and you have welfare.
And no, the means testing is not more expensive. It costs nothing to have the applicant fill out forms.
It is truly amazing that you are saying the most cost effective way to "solve poverty" is to hand out tax money with no questions asked. Truly idiotic.
Welfare is a safety net. If you want to have money you work. Your goal of having a middleclass income without lifting a finger is not going to happen.