Here’s the reason people tell me they want to buy an AR-15. And it’s simply ludicrous

[marvin martian]

Possessing an AR 15 is a want, not a need.

Actually, it's a civil right, so want vs. need is irrelevant.

 

[LibertyKid]

Hilarious. In one breath you argue how the founding fathers felt every weapon available to the military should be also available to the citizenry, and on the other hand you claim it’s easy reading. No where does it say every citizen should have the same firearms as the military ? Geesus, idiot, it doesn’t even say firearms. It says ARMS.

Early in firearm history, private gun MFG built better quality guns than the "Military" had available and became suppliers for the Military. After a War, where did those surplus arms go... Oh, that's right to Public Military Surplus outlets to be sold to the "Public", because the public were always meant to be armed to protect freedom from a tyrannical gov't. Period. That's history.

If you have a few minutes you might want to watch the below video. The name of the video doesn't due this video history as the presenter goes through a lot of firearm history and firearm development.

 

[hadit]

Possessing an AR 15 is a want, not a need.

Yup, and no one has to give a reason why they want or need one. It's no one else's business.

 

[marvin martian]

Yup, and no one has to give a reason why they want or need one. It's no one else's business.

We need to teach these lefty fascists how civil rights work.

 

[Orangecat]

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[M14 Shooter]

Possessing an AR 15 is a want, not a need.

Posting here is a want, not a need.
So?

 

[cnm]

Do you live in a leftist paradise where every purchase is registered to be sure you're not a nutcase?

Absolutely not.

 

[hadit]

We need to teach these lefty fascists how civil rights work.

They seem very keen on limiting, re-wording, re-imagining the 2ne Amendment (ALWAYS to limit firearms), but I never hear any zeal from them about limiting the 1st Amendment and giving me the power to shut off their access to the internet.

 

[hadit]

Absolutely not.
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Then what regulations get in the way of you purchasing a knife, axe or club?

 

[cnm]

Then what regulations get in the way of you purchasing a knife, axe or club?

Terribly sorry, I misread your question. Actually, I do
live in a leftist paradise where every firearm purchase is registered to be sure you're not a nutcase

I can see your way is much more manly. My mistake.

 

[hadit]

Terribly sorry, I misread your question. Actually, I do

I can see your way is much more manly. My mistake.

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I actually carry a man card. My wife gave it to me. Seriously, it's a metal card with a bottle opener cut out of it.

 

[LibertyKid]

Absolutely not.
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As a support of the 2A, I hate when 2A supporters mix God and Guns. Especially the Christian God whom they focus on the Old Testament warring god, verses the realized person of Jesus who was an actual pacifist.

 

[2aguy]

Absolutely not.
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And yet the countries that have banned and confiscated guns in Europe, starting in the 1920s murdered 15 million innocent men, women and children....and the coward that you are, you never address that fact, that truth, that reality....and they murdered them in just 6 years....

Meanwhile, gun murder in the United States over our entire 246 year history...about 2,460,000 and the majority of those dead are criminals, murdered by criminals.....and the friends and family of criminals caught in their crossfire..

Meanwhile, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives...one esitmate puts it at 176,000 lives saved each year because our people can defend themselves against criminals the democrats keep releasing......

Rapes, robberies, murders, stabbings, beatings and even mass public shootings stopped because our people can defend themselves....

Lives saved....based on research? By law abiding gun owners using guns to stop criminals?



Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct



that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—

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A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)


2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

Clinton's study by the DOJ....

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.



n the third column of Table 6.2, we apply the Kleck and Gertz (1995) criteria for "genuine" DGUs (type A), leaving us with just 19 respondents. They represent 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known Kleck and Gertz estimate of 2.5 million, shown in the last

While ours is smaller, it is staistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. to the when we include the multiple DGUs victim. defensive reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 milli

While ours is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference petrator; in most cases (69 percent), the is due to sampling error. Note that when we include the multiple DGUs reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 million DGUs.
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As shown in Table 6.6, the defender fired his or her gun in 27 percent of these incidents (combined "fire warning shots" and "fire at perpetrator" percentages, though some respondents reported firing both warning shots and airning at the perpetrator). Forty percent of these were "warning shots," and about a third were aimed at the perpetrator but missed. The perpetrator was wounded by the crime victim in eight percent of all DGUs. In nine percent of DGUs the victim captured and held the perpetrator at gunpoint until the police could arrive.

Obama's study...

Defensive Use of Guns

Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2013. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence |The National Academies Press.

Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence |The National Academies Press

 

[cnm]

Seriously, it's a metal card with a bottle opener cut out of it.

It needs to be reissued, don't you know?

 

[marvin martian]

As a support of the 2A, I hate when 2A supporters mix God and Guns. Especially the Christian God whom they focus on the Old Testament warring god, verses the realized person of Jesus who was an actual pacifist.

Luke 22:36 - Then said He unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

 

[cnm]

As a support of the 2A,

Well, that sort of means you support its effects, too...

 

[cnm]

Luke 22:36 - Then said He unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Then use it on those no-goodniks...

I hear ya'.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Well, that sort of means you support its effects, too...

Just like you support the effect of the rights you support.

 

[hadit]

It needs to be reissued, don't you know?

She's updated it every year. Isn't that often enough?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Then use it on those no-goodniks...

Impossibly ignorant nonsense.