“Hell yes we are going to take your AR-15”

[Daryl Hunt]

If the military wants to take us they can come take us. We don't have nearly enough semi autos out there to stop them if they wanted to systematically come in and "take us" one city/town at a time.

So that "in balance" you refer to already exists.

Do we have tanks? Drones with bombs strapped to them? RPG's? Nukes? So stop worrying. You're already fucked if they want to **** you. But once it becomes gorilla war then you have your 45 or 357 or glock.

Good thing our forefathers didn't think that way.

Hey, good idea. Let's dig them up and ask them. Or have a seance.

No need Daryl, just read American history. Apparently you know nothing about it.

Facts get in their way. I also read the various court rulings and notice they are shying away from those with me around. So the only thing they have left is their little digs. I can live with that. It means they admit defeat on a regular basis and are too dense or stupid to see it.

Question is why do you fight every idea we throw out there. You like murder

What idea do you present? I haven't seen any real ideas as of yet. You scream "NO" or "You can't tell me what to do" every step of the way. I want the AR to be regulated but leave the traditional hunting rifles alone. Is that a bad idea? And I have clearly stated my reasoning why. Now clearly state your ideas.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

That doesn't make it an assault weapon

trying to take it 1 step at a time. many choose to jump from topic to topic vs trying to come to a consensus on 1 THEN moving on. so i'm going to keep it at firing rate for now but i'm sure he will get frustrated, snark-off and call me the idiot.

The firing rate doesn't make it an assault weapon. It would be dishonest to even make it worth discussing.

How else would you define an assault weapon without looking at firing rate?

You want to go on looks?

that's what it comes down to.

a 6 shooter revolver can fire just as fast as you can pull the trigger.
an AR15 will fire just as fast as you can pull the trigger.

so your "method" now applies to all but bolt action guns.

Get back to what makes an AR a weapon of war. And the fact it fires every time you do a trigger pull isn't part of that equation. You keep circling back to the same old tired crap.

Kindly explain in your own words how an AR works. this should be good.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Good thing our forefathers didn't think that way.

Hey, good idea. Let's dig them up and ask them. Or have a seance.

No need Daryl, just read American history. Apparently you know nothing about it.

Facts get in their way. I also read the various court rulings and notice they are shying away from those with me around. So the only thing they have left is their little digs. I can live with that. It means they admit defeat on a regular basis and are too dense or stupid to see it.

Question is why do you fight every idea we throw out there. You like murder

What idea do you present? I haven't seen any real ideas as of yet. You scream "NO" or "You can't tell me what to do" every step of the way. I want the AR to be regulated but leave the traditional hunting rifles alone. Is that a bad idea? And I have clearly stated my reasoning why. Now clearly state your ideas.

This is no discussion that my rights are to be talked about.

 

[Rustic]

Good thing our forefathers didn't think that way.

Hey, good idea. Let's dig them up and ask them. Or have a seance.

No need Daryl, just read American history. Apparently you know nothing about it.

Facts get in their way. I also read the various court rulings and notice they are shying away from those with me around. So the only thing they have left is their little digs. I can live with that. It means they admit defeat on a regular basis and are too dense or stupid to see it.

Question is why do you fight every idea we throw out there. You like murder

What idea do you present? I haven't seen any real ideas as of yet. You scream "NO" or "You can't tell me what to do" every step of the way. I want the AR to be regulated but leave the traditional hunting rifles alone. Is that a bad idea? And I have clearly stated my reasoning why. Now clearly state your ideas.

Lol
Progressives don’t want any law abiding citizens to own any firearms whatsoever… It’s all about control

 

[Daryl Hunt]

That is his opinion, I don't want to grab all guns, you can keep your hunting rifles and pistols, no bigger than a 10 magazine and you are allowed to only have one.

Who would need more?

After you shoot your ten rounds, you can reload it

And according to these rambo's here having to reload won't slow them down one bit. But then they cry if we suggest outlawing 20 round magazines. Reloading them when target practicing is too inconvenient they say. Shooting paper plates.

We also need to limit bullet purchases to ten at a time

No. Don't be silly. My Ruger 450 bushmaster bullets are expensive. I think you can buy 20 at a time. I went up north and target practiced to get my scope right and I went through 16 bullets just getting ready for hunting season.

You are going too far now.

I go to the shooting range and what you just suggested in ridiculous. LOL

then target practice with a 22.

Stay out of this conversation, the grownups are talking. I am familiar with his rifle and there is no way in hell I can practice with a 22LR and sight it in to 250 yds like we have to do with our deer rifles around here. You never know when you are going to have to do a 400 or 500 yd shot and if you site it in at 100 yds, you are just going to kick up dirt.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

So, you are building/selling bomb-capable drones? How can I get one?

So you get my point then? The US Military has them and you want to be just as armed as they are? You people are insane.

You can't see a scenario where the people in command could get out-of-control.? Has history taught you nothing?

It's typical leftism. You can either see the future nor can you look back to the past and learn from it.

No I get that and I struggle with this. How powerful and deadly is too much? And yea I like it that we have guns in case our government gets too corrupt. But they have drones with missiles. Do you want them too? So from my living room I can fly my drone with a missile to the Lions football stadium and wipe everyone out? Hey, it's my 2nd amendment right.

You know when you idiots will wake up? If one day angry blacks mexicans or muslim Americans start using these WMD's to take out Americans. Like, if it happened every day for a year you may wake up and realize we shouldn't let just any tom dick or mohammad own these types of guns. And every gun sale should require a real background check. No loopholes. If Sandy Hook happened at a private school that all the politicians sent their kids to, you'd see legislation tomorrow.

Then rid everyone else of those weapons. Including police and military.

Because they have those weapons, I'm not comfortable having that kind of in balance and power. I know there is risk involved with arming everyone, but there's no alternative with that type of in balance.

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If the military wants to take us they can come take us. We don't have nearly enough semi autos out there to stop them if they wanted to systematically come in and "take us" one city/town at a time.

So that "in balance" you refer to already exists.

Do we have tanks? Drones with bombs strapped to them? RPG's? Nukes? So stop worrying. You're already fucked if they want to **** you. But once it becomes gorilla war then you have your 45 or 357 or glock.

Let the ones who have been trained to fight, fight. you can sit your ass in the corner now.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

And that brings us back to fully automatic weapons. They are severely regulated yet nothing in the constitution prevents that. Why would it be perfectly legal to regulate fully automatic weapons, but not AR 15s

Because it's not constitutional to regulate any firearms, but we tolerate it, for now. We will not tolerate an AR ban. You fuckers may just wake the sleeping giant if you try, and it will be legal for minors to walk the streets with rocket launchers.

Pray your idiot leaders don't attempt it.

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More like a sleeping pygmy. he vast majority of Americans, including most NRA members want something done. The few NRA gun nuts don't want anything done. You aren't as big as you have been told you are.

and you certainly don't know anything about guns like you pretend to do.

Geez. That old standby comeback. There are a lot of Guns I don't know anything about made by many manufacturers around the world. All types and sizes. But the AR Family isn't one of them. Anyone that has spent at least 180 days (received a DD-214) has had to handle at least one of the AR family. And if you handled one, you handled them all at a higher proficiency than over 80% of the population. So just throwing that "You don't know anything about guns" so willy nilly just shows how stupid and desperate your argument really is. Get new material.

pretty sure i wasn't talking to you.

however, to reference you point, if you want different answers, try different approaches. to act surprised you get the same stupid answer to the same stupid question simply means you don't even understand your own question.

now bugger off.

Ah, thank you for identifying your country of origin. We are talking about United States of America laws not Aussie Laws. You people pissed away most of your rights already.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

We just don't want everyone/anyone having that kind of killing power. Like the Vegas Shooter. No one should be able to have that kind of firepower. If AR15's are deemed too much firepower for any tom dick or harry to have, I'll be ok with that. I don't know much about the AR15. Or bump stocks or any of that shit. I hear NYC makes a GAYR 15. Doesn't hold as many rounds. Maybe you can have one of those. LOL.

Yea, **** what the founding fathers said. I mean, I agree with the second amendment but if "the right to bare arms" ends up meaning a rampage a day, something has to be done.

Oh and kiss my ass with that progressivism bullshit. You guys can spin anything and you'll tie the most right wing radical to us and never accept blame for any of the crazies when most of them are on your side. Like the guy who killed the abortion doctor. Bill O'Reilly got him worked up by calling him Tiller the Baby Killer.

If you are referring to abortion, I hardly think that's why these crazy white men are shooting up America. We need to figure out what's making white men so crazy. Hell they're scarier than ISIS.

Why do I have to first tell you where you can get a gun that will kill 1000 people with one pull of the trigger. If the government has one, should every dick like you be able to own one? You guys are really ******* retarded.

except i can do the same with almost any semi-automatic rifle.

what is "retarded" is you can't see that or comprehend it, so you/the left simply widens what you want banned cause you can't define it. it's a pure reactionary move that never works.

we had them banned at one point, DID GUN CRIMES GO DOWN?

I didn't say it's a cure all. We don't even blink when someone takes a handgun and commits a crime. Par for the course. Shit happens. What are you gonna do. I get that. No one said any of these regulations would be a cure all. But, maybe some of these guys wouldn't have gotten their hands on guns if we did better background checks. And maybe if the Vegas Shooter couldn't get his hands on such powerful weapons, a lot more people would be alive today. We can't let every man and woman in America have the kind of power a soldier has. Name one other country that does this? And we have more citizens die every year from gun violence than probably every other country combined.

P.S. There hasn't been a mass shooting in a couple weeks. This will die down and we will not pass any legislation. Don't worry about it. I'm just telling you what should happen. Better background checks and only 10 rounds in your mag pal.

the fact we don't blink where far more of the problem shows itself is quite telling on us as a whole. we focus on the big bright nasty things out there and react.

not think. react. 2 very different approaches with vastly different outcomes. but thinking takes time and usually requires putting emotion aside. putting emotion aside isn't easy these days. for any of us.

i'm all for better background checks. and while i don't see the "gun show loophole" as a huge issue, i also don't have much of a problem closing it. but will we enforce this new law or simply get mad and pass more if/when it doesn't have the intended results because it wasn't THOUGHT out, just a reaction to a problem?

if you're at a gun show buying from a private individual, great. go to the FFL dealer a booth down and have them run a background check for you. have the gov wave the fee for these one-off sales and now even the $25 isn't the issue.

but to date, our background checks have let a lot of shit through it should not have. fix that THEN put more people through it. this false sense of security given when reactionary laws are passed is why we keep demanding MORE laws. that request to me is a sign you don't want to think about it, just SOMETHING MUST BE DONE.

We need background checks on ALL gun purchases including private transactions

isn't this what i said?

i just also said we need to fix the background db before we flood it with even more.

and you never have answered direct questions i've asked. yet you wonder why i tag you "troll".

When the government does it's job background checks works. Nothing needs to be changed about what we already have.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Question is why do you fight every idea we throw out there.

There is no demonstrable necessity for, or efficacy in any of your ideas, so...

 

[bigrebnc1775]

So which is it this week, snowflakes? Are you sticking to your lie that Democrats are NOT coming for our guns, or have you accepted what Betot revealed publicly?

Not ALL guns

Just guns you can’t be trusted with

and you wonder why i call you a troll. this says NOTHING about the issue and is just getting shots in. like i said, i get into it also, bad me and i'm working on it. but when all you do is this drive-by snarking, what are your real goals in here? snark off, or try to discuss issues like an adult?

It is the issue

AR type weapons with large capacity magazines are the weapon of choice for mass killings. It is becoming obvious that those weapons can no longer be tolerated

Now, stop trolling

So we are going to ban security forces and police from having them, is that it?


The elites that rule over this nation would no longer be able to have their body guards and security protection services have access to carry them? Private security contractors can no longer have them?

What a relief.

Of course not
They are trained and have a sworn role to protect society

Body Guards are trained and certified. Gun owners are not

I have no problem with police and certified security having assault weapons. I have a problem with Adam Lanz having one

The police are not legally obligated to protect you

 

[bigrebnc1775]

If the military wants to take us they can come take us. We don't have nearly enough semi autos out there to stop them if they wanted to systematically come in and "take us" one city/town at a time.

So that "in balance" you refer to already exists.

Do we have tanks? Drones with bombs strapped to them? RPG's? Nukes? So stop worrying. You're already fucked if they want to **** you. But once it becomes gorilla war then you have your 45 or 357 or glock.

Good thing our forefathers didn't think that way.

Hey, good idea. Let's dig them up and ask them. Or have a seance.

No need Daryl, just read American history. Apparently you know nothing about it.

Facts get in their way. I also read the various court rulings and notice they are shying away from those with me around. So the only thing they have left is their little digs. I can live with that. It means they admit defeat on a regular basis and are too dense or stupid to see it.

Question is why do you fight every idea we throw out there. You like murder

because every idea that you antigunners present will have no change in gun death may even increase them.

 

[toobfreak]

when these fks say anything about well what about Australia, I just say, thank you, exactly the reason your shit isn't wanted.

Australia is much safer than we are

Yes, because they have more people like THIS and less people like YOU.


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Never saw Crocodile Dundee with an AR 15

The aborigines could kill you down there at 200 paces with a blow dart and you'd never even see it coming.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I’m building a drone like the ones the Iranians used to bomb the Saudi oil fields. And I’m selling them. No background checks.

And like employers take fake ids from illegals, I can’t help it that the person had a fake Id. Not their fault, not my fault when I accidentally sell one to al quida.

Th us government has them so why can’t I?

So, you are building/selling bomb-capable drones? How can I get one?

So you get my point then? The US Military has them and you want to be just as armed as they are? You people are insane.

the US military doesn't use the AR15.

Oh, stop this nonsense. They use the AR-15 Model 604. But they are stamped with M-16A-4 before it's delivered to comply with the Military identifying program.

The M-16a-4 is an ADAPTION of the AR-15. It is NOT an AR-15.

The M-16A-4 is an AR-15 Model 604 stamped to read M-16A-4 before it's delivered to the Military. Didn't we already cover this?

 

[Siete]

“Hell yes we are going to take your AR-15”


good - come get it, I DON'T OWN ONE !

Soldiers need one, not me.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

trying to take it 1 step at a time. many choose to jump from topic to topic vs trying to come to a consensus on 1 THEN moving on. so i'm going to keep it at firing rate for now but i'm sure he will get frustrated, snark-off and call me the idiot.

The firing rate doesn't make it an assault weapon. It would be dishonest to even make it worth discussing.

How else would you define an assault weapon without looking at firing rate?

You want to go on looks?

that's what it comes down to.

a 6 shooter revolver can fire just as fast as you can pull the trigger.
an AR15 will fire just as fast as you can pull the trigger.

so your "method" now applies to all but bolt action guns.

Get back to what makes an AR a weapon of war. And the fact it fires every time you do a trigger pull isn't part of that equation. You keep circling back to the same old tired crap.

Cause gun grabbers and asswhipes like rightwinger keep trying to use that as a basis of regulation.

Make them stop being stupid asswhipes I'll stop repeating myself.

Do I need to tell you that again?

Night John boy.

hey, I thought you said don't read 90% of my posts. Now, stop that.

Could it be that he has some points that deserve hearing? I don't agree with everything he says but enough to listen. I also listened to you a couple of times. The rest of the times, you keep going off on the deep end. But I still listen. Try it more than once in awhile. Listen if even if you don't agree what is being said. Like we do agree on Universal Background checks. See, we can agree. And so does rightwinger. But I draw the line with universal gun registration and gun owner registration unless it's in a very high populous area and so do you (kinda) but rightwinger wants that.

And yes, you need to tell me again. And you need to be sent to bed without your supper for being an insolent little child with a bad attitude.

 

[toobfreak]

Why don't you children just quit your silly bickering and penis waving. There is only two issues at hand here:

1. Guns are a tradition as American as apple pie, guaranteed us by the Founders explicitly because they knew you cannot trust government farther than you can throw it.
2. The Left have moved us to an ever-more violent society. And now having done that, damn the torpedoes, they don't care about rights or law, they just want to take away all the guns because they've become such assholes, they simply no longer feel safe knowing we are out there being screwed by them and are armed to the teeth. Hell, they'd like us off the continental shelf altogether if they could swing it. To them, "American" begins and ends with THEM.

 

[MisterBeale]

So why do we allow our military to have it? You said nobody. Nobody means nobody.

Many of us with foresight can envision scenarios where those in power who have the exclusive use of force will abuse that power.

We get what the common soldier/marine has, goddamnit, or the military can disarm.

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We want our military to have nukes. Should you also have nukes?

We want our military to be able to take out the enemy home and abroad. I want them to be able to take out an entire city with one pull of the trigger. I don't want every tom dick and Mohammad in America to have that ability though.

If they are going after you, you're the enemy.

You are more worried about the government taking your guns away than you are your kids getting shot. I bet if you were a Sandy Hook parent you wouldn't be this way.

You can own a gun with 10 rounds. That's it. And full background checks. Now you will worry that the government has you on a list and they can come take your guns someday. You guys are paranoid. Sorry but guns are too deadly for us to continue to be loosy goosy with the rules. This isn't Mayberry anymore. White men have gone nuts. Right wing extremist groups and hate groups are at an all time high. Too many people snapping. What you guys want is to instead of better regulate and limit the amount of firepower a person can have, instead you want to start carrying more guns. NUts.

good luck passing that type of legislation, spanky.

and i don't want anyone to have nukes. blown assumption from the word GO.

Who cares what you want. Don't be a hypocrite. I want a nuke. And if our government can have one, why can't I?

You just lost the argument. Don't try and change the subject and say you don't want one. I want one. Your neighbor wants one. Why can't we have it?

go get one. tell me how that works out for you.

So you don't want me to have one even though my government has them. Got it.

Nope. I don't want governments to have them either.

 

[beagle9]

Not at all. They just shit on the rights of the people.

You are free to move there. We have no other alternative. You do.

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i wanna see *this* country free from the threat of school shootings dude.
i have no desire to move.

Never going to happen.


Even communist regimes like Russia can't prevent school shootings.

how many have happened in Russia then?

Gotta soft bone for Russia eh ??

no you shithead. i just want a society that's safe to send your kids to school in.

Like Russia ?

 

[MisterBeale]

i wanna see *this* country free from the threat of school shootings dude.

So long as people know how to make guns, we will never be free from the threat of school shootings.

OK

Let’s stop producing guns and see what happens

You act like the only folks that can make them are big corporations. Are you really that dumb? Oh wait, everyone knows RWINGER.

I'll tell you what will happen, criminals will have them b/c of their motivation, and everyone else will be at the mercy of the incompetent STATE.

Banning guns is impossible now. That horse has left the barn, permanently.

Solid Concepts 3D Prints Another Metal Gun, ‘Reason’, a 10mm Auto 1911

Student jailed for making 3D printed gun

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

i wanna see *this* country free from the threat of school shootings dude.

So long as people know how to make guns, we will never be free from the threat of school shootings.

OK

Let’s stop producing guns and see what happens

You act like the only folks that can make them are big corporations. Are you really that dumb? Oh wait, everyone knows RWINGER.

I'll tell you what will happen, criminals will have them b/c of their motivation, and everyone else will be at the mercy of the incompetent STATE.

Banning guns is impossible now. That horse has left the barn, permanently.

Solid Concepts 3D Prints Another Metal Gun, ‘Reason’, a 10mm Auto 1911

Student jailed for making 3D printed gun

Good!

Flood the earth with them and balance the power.

All people should be armed.

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