“Hell yes we are going to take your AR-15”

[M14 Shooter]

I’m building a drone like the ones the Iranians used to bomb the Saudi oil fields. And I’m selling them. No background checks.

And like employers take fake ids from illegals, I can’t help it that the person had a fake Id. Not their fault, not my fault when I accidentally sell one to al quida.

Th us government has them so why can’t I?

So, you are building/selling bomb-capable drones? How can I get one?

So you get my point then? The US Military has them and you want to be just as armed as they are? You people are insane.

the US military doesn't use the AR15.

Oh, stop this nonsense. They use the AR-15 Model 604. But they are stamped with M-16A-4 before it's delivered to comply with the Military identifying program.

The M-16a-4 is an ADAPTION of the AR-15. It is NOT an AR-15.

Everyone knows this.
Everyone.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

this talk about NUKE's , Drones with Missiles is just silly . Second Amendment is about Small Arms issued and carried by the individual Comat soldier and primarily owned as a hedge against Tyranny . These Small Arms can also be used for other Lawful purposes like self defense ,and all other legal purposes . The RARE 'Black Swan events of Walmart shootings are no reason to mess with Americans RIGHT to effective and efficient Weapons . ----------- Heck , ALL weapons protected by the Second were Weapons of WAR from the very beginning in the USA and weapons of war are what is protected by the Second Sealy .

the whole NUKE argument is stupid. while it does point out "look, weapons CAN be regulated" great. so can voting privlidges. so can speech. so can a lot of things. the question is, where do you draw the line.

since the gun-grabbers can't define an "assault rifle" in a manner that only effects the AR15, they broaden the scope and move the line.

the fight isn't about the AR15 in the end, it's about where the line is drawn.

The AR15 is a reasonable place for that line.

no it is not. it's todays representation of your wishes.

The final report concluded the ban’s success in reducing crimes committed with banned guns was “mixed.” Gun crimes involving assault weapons declined. However, that decline was “offset throughout at least the late 1990s by steady or rising use of other guns equipped with [large-capacity magazines].”

this is found from the last assault weapons ban in 1994. other guns are now being used more. if you don't fix the core and keep after the shiny object, then you will in time come after what ever guns are being used next.

re-defining the line yet again.

I agree. Banning won't solve a thing. That's why there isn't any firearm banned anywhere in the United States. They are Regulated and you must meet a certain criteria to possess a certain firearm. The Ban Scare is created and permeated by you gunnutters.

 

[Leo123]

Yep....make the rules.

What rules will a gun owner make?

if you sit down and talk rationally, not END OF TIMES, you'd likely find a lot more cooperation with gun owners.

you = left/anti-gunners in the following:

you can't name a single NRA member who has participated in a mass shooting, yet the left demonizes the NRA. how does that make sense?

you can't come up with laws to regulate an AR and define what characteristics you want banned, supposedly in the name of stopping mass shootings, but you can't equate a single change suggested to stopping any known shooting to date. how does that make sense?

since you can't define the characteristics of what you want banned, you widen the scope of what you want banned/controlled. how does this make sense?

and now we want to simply say PSYCHO and take guns away, bypassing due process and the very foundation of our government / society we've spent 250 years creating. once we find ONE reason to do this, we domino to others and everything we've built will certainly change, but you're giving the gov total control of our lives now and have no recourse because we sacrificed EVERYTHING because you thought it would ONLY apply to what you wanted it to. since that has NEVER historically happened, how does that make sense?

so - i'll ask in return, would you trust someone who won't work to understand YOU but keeps taking things away from you even though you never did anything wrong? given that is how the gun owners see the left (and in fact what they are doing) why should they sit down and talk with you and trust you'll stop where agreed?

you/the left hasn't yet. i strongly recall the whole WE JUST WANT THIS ONE FLAG REMOVED and look how much further that went.

that is a prime example of the rest of our rights domino'ing.

so rest assured i'm way beyond gun control at this point and simply protecting due process, regardless of what they use to come after it as justification.

OK

If you want characteristics to define an assault weapon, how about rate of fire and magazine capacity?

and what would that be?

for fire rate, all semi-automatics fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, so this is not unique to the AR15. can you keep this to the AR now or will you now say all semi-automatic guns need to be regulated?

if you can keep this JUST to the AR we can keep talking. if you expand your list, then this is why the gun crowd walks away from discussion.

I have covered this many times in the past and don't feel the undying need to cover it again. The AR was designed to kill people fast, efficient and not one ounce of design or build was used for cosmetics unless they could figure out how to get a Lip Gloss to launch 40mm Grenades.

When the 2nd amendment and the 1934 Firearms Act were written, there was nothing like the AR family in existence and wouldn't be in the civilian world for the next almost 40 years. Stoner made quite a breakthrough that all Military Rifles of War are judged by today and will be even for the next 50 years. The AR is designed as a Weapon of War, plain and simple. And it doesn't matter which model you are firing.

So what?

 

[iceberg]

i did. you chose to hit rather than answer. but hey - if you look back 2 posts you'll see i plainly asked:

"do you or do you not see forced gun control and red flags as a huge opening to losing "due process"?"

so there. your question.

Are you referring to #484 where I clearly answered your question dumb ass?
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and exactly how does:

"Nope. I'm simply pointing out how you are wrong. I'm laughing at the absurd things you post."

answer the question on how you feel about losing due process for a singular gain?

The first word. NOPE.

so you don't see red flag laws as bypassing due process? then as a follow up it would stand to reason you don't see them bypassing due process for "other" issues as they come along.

am i correct in comprehending your overly verbose response?

A Family member nor a LAW can just take your guns. It must be done by court order. And even though your guns are temporarily removed (they can be removed to a relatives or the cop arsenal) you have the right to face your accuser. And then if it ends up that you are NOT a threat to society your guns will be returned. And woh is the poor smuck that stood in front of that Judge and lied his ass off in the first place. Judges don't have much of a sense of humor at that point.

{insert more apathy here}

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I’m building a drone like the ones the Iranians used to bomb the Saudi oil fields. And I’m selling them. No background checks.

And like employers take fake ids from illegals, I can’t help it that the person had a fake Id. Not their fault, not my fault when I accidentally sell one to al quida.

Th us government has them so why can’t I?

So, you are building/selling bomb-capable drones? How can I get one?

So you get my point then? The US Military has them and you want to be just as armed as they are? You people are insane.

the US military doesn't use the AR15.

Oh, stop this nonsense. They use the AR-15 Model 604. But they are stamped with M-16A-4 before it's delivered to comply with the Military identifying program.

The M-16a-4 is an ADAPTION of the AR-15. It is NOT an AR-15.

Think about what you just typed. Now replace the word ADAPTATION with the world MODIFICATION and that fits a whole hell of a lot of AR family types including those that you can buy all the parts over the internet and assemble yourself. And you can assemble an AR Civilian that will outperform in a combat situation the M-16 or even the M-4. Remember, in a real combat situation, both the M-16 and the M-4 are normally fired in the semi auto setting to conserve ammo and be more accurate. In real Combat, it ain't like a video game. You can't just click off the screen to reload and have unlimited ammo. You have to carry your ammo. If you didn't bring it with you you don't have it. Battle Rule #17, the biggest sin is to run out of ammo before the battle is concluded.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Are you referring to #484 where I clearly answered your question dumb ass?
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and exactly how does:

"Nope. I'm simply pointing out how you are wrong. I'm laughing at the absurd things you post."

answer the question on how you feel about losing due process for a singular gain?

The first word. NOPE.

so you don't see red flag laws as bypassing due process? then as a follow up it would stand to reason you don't see them bypassing due process for "other" issues as they come along.

am i correct in comprehending your overly verbose response?

A Family member nor a LAW can just take your guns. It must be done by court order. And even though your guns are temporarily removed (they can be removed to a relatives or the cop arsenal) you have the right to face your accuser. And then if it ends up that you are NOT a threat to society your guns will be returned. And woh is the poor smuck that stood in front of that Judge and lied his ass off in the first place. Judges don't have much of a sense of humor at that point.

{insert more apathy here}

Sorry, only one fruitcake award per day per recipient.

 

[ph3iron]

Alex Jones Warns Beto: Keep Your Filthy Hands Off Our 2nd Amendment!
Establishment puppet Beto O’Rourke has become the mouthpiece of the victim disarmament lobby and has pledged, quote “Hell yes, we’re going to take your AR-15, your AK-47!”





LMFAO!! you losers don't even know the half of reality..

Such brave cowards.
No idea of hand to hand
Can't wait to cower when the Chinese attack

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Why wait? We can get some good out of doing it now.

great. implement it AND take steps to fix the process as well. i've already said if you're at a gun show you're around dozens of dealers who can and must do an FFL check on every sale. waive the fee and do it. you're arguing with me now on a point we agree on.

What about sales that aren't at a gun show. Some stranger sells another stranger a gun with no background check. Hell, they don't even have to know each other's names.

hit the local pawn shop and do the same.

again, you keep coming at me on a point in which we agree.

I'm surprised, but glad to hear that.

now - how are red flag laws NOT violating "due process"

we come and take your guns cause a neighbor said you were dangerous.

that doesn't compare to being arrested for erratic driving, having a day in court, and allowing "due process" to determine what to do from there.

You left out that the Law Enforcement also agrees as well as a Judge issued the Court Order. And you leave out your constitutional right to go in front of the judge and say your neighbor is doing this because he's pissed because you lawn is clover and his lawn is something else.

 

[Leo123]

If the military wants to take us they can come take us. We don't have nearly enough semi autos out there to stop them if they wanted to systematically come in and "take us" one city/town at a time.

So that "in balance" you refer to already exists.

Do we have tanks? Drones with bombs strapped to them? RPG's? Nukes? So stop worrying. You're already fucked if they want to **** you. But once it becomes gorilla war then you have your 45 or 357 or glock.

Good thing our forefathers didn't think that way.

 

[ph3iron]

I wonder who the hell told Beto he was leadership material? I cringe to think of him negotiating with Putin or Xi. WTF?

I'd rather have our 5 deferment fat boy

 

[Daryl Hunt]

great. implement it AND take steps to fix the process as well. i've already said if you're at a gun show you're around dozens of dealers who can and must do an FFL check on every sale. waive the fee and do it. you're arguing with me now on a point we agree on.

What about sales that aren't at a gun show. Some stranger sells another stranger a gun with no background check. Hell, they don't even have to know each other's names.

---------------------------------- funny comment but also illegal to do that Bulldog .

It's perfectly legal. Individual sales require no paperwork or record keeping. of any kind. If you have the money, you can buy a gun.

--------------------------------------- its illegal to sell a gun to an unknown stranger in a 'face to face' sale Bulldog .

How do you enforce that without some type of registration and background check requirement?

Your gun ends up in the hands of a criminal, you need to be held responsible

I do have a problem with having to register a gun every time it is sold even in a private sale. But I do support the universal background checks with consequences.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

OK

If you want characteristics to define an assault weapon, how about rate of fire and magazine capacity?

That doesn't make it an assault weapon

trying to take it 1 step at a time. many choose to jump from topic to topic vs trying to come to a consensus on 1 THEN moving on. so i'm going to keep it at firing rate for now but i'm sure he will get frustrated, snark-off and call me the idiot.

The firing rate doesn't make it an assault weapon. It would be dishonest to even make it worth discussing.

How else would you define an assault weapon without looking at firing rate?

You want to go on looks?

that's what it comes down to.

a 6 shooter revolver can fire just as fast as you can pull the trigger.
an AR15 will fire just as fast as you can pull the trigger.

so your "method" now applies to all but bolt action guns.

Get back to what makes an AR a weapon of war. And the fact it fires every time you do a trigger pull isn't part of that equation. You keep circling back to the same old tired crap.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The Puckle gun could fire 9 shots per minute. I'm not seeing much comparison to the rate of fire for modern guns.

Like always, you missed the ******* point--that the founders contemplated advancements in technology and still we have the 2nd.

Next.

.

And that brings us back to fully automatic weapons. They are severely regulated yet nothing in the constitution prevents that. Why would it be perfectly legal to regulate fully automatic weapons, but not AR 15s

Because AR-15s are NOT fully automatic weapons. They are simi-automatic (one shot per trigger pull) exactly the same as probably half the firearms in existence. They are quite common and in general use. Infringement on the Right to keep and bear arms. UnConstitutional. End of story.

The constitution doesn't seem to care how many times you have to pull the trigger. If I'm wrong, perhaps you could point out which clause mentions that.

The Constitution doesn't; the law of the land does.

And what determines the "Law of the Land"? Could it be the best armed and the willingness to use it to express your point of view whether it be with your fist or a gun?

 

[Leo123]

We need background checks on ALL gun purchases including private transactions

Hear that MS13? Now we got ya!! Leftardwingers will no longer allow you to buy guns because you ain't a gonna pass the background check!

 

[iceberg]

That doesn't make it an assault weapon

trying to take it 1 step at a time. many choose to jump from topic to topic vs trying to come to a consensus on 1 THEN moving on. so i'm going to keep it at firing rate for now but i'm sure he will get frustrated, snark-off and call me the idiot.

The firing rate doesn't make it an assault weapon. It would be dishonest to even make it worth discussing.

How else would you define an assault weapon without looking at firing rate?

You want to go on looks?

that's what it comes down to.

a 6 shooter revolver can fire just as fast as you can pull the trigger.
an AR15 will fire just as fast as you can pull the trigger.

so your "method" now applies to all but bolt action guns.

Get back to what makes an AR a weapon of war. And the fact it fires every time you do a trigger pull isn't part of that equation. You keep circling back to the same old tired crap.

Cause gun grabbers and asswhipes like rightwinger keep trying to use that as a basis of regulation.

Make them stop being stupid asswhipes I'll stop repeating myself.

Do I need to tell you that again?

Night John boy.

 

[Leo123]

And what determines the "Law of the Land"? Could it be the best armed and the willingness to use it to express your point of view whether it be with your fist or a gun?

The power to keep your land for one.

 

[Leo123]

So, you are building/selling bomb-capable drones? How can I get one?

So you get my point then? The US Military has them and you want to be just as armed as they are? You people are insane.

the US military doesn't use the AR15.

Oh, stop this nonsense. They use the AR-15 Model 604. But they are stamped with M-16A-4 before it's delivered to comply with the Military identifying program.

The M-16a-4 is an ADAPTION of the AR-15. It is NOT an AR-15.

Everyone knows this.
Everyone.

Everyone except Daryl the 'rump' guy.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

trying to take it 1 step at a time. many choose to jump from topic to topic vs trying to come to a consensus on 1 THEN moving on. so i'm going to keep it at firing rate for now but i'm sure he will get frustrated, snark-off and call me the idiot.

The firing rate doesn't make it an assault weapon. It would be dishonest to even make it worth discussing.

How else would you define an assault weapon without looking at firing rate?

You want to go on looks?

that's what it comes down to.

a 6 shooter revolver can fire just as fast as you can pull the trigger.
an AR15 will fire just as fast as you can pull the trigger.

so your "method" now applies to all but bolt action guns.

Firing rate is dependent on trigger resistance and reset as well as how quickly the next round enters the chamber

Now, stop trolling or you will be reported

report away son.



look at how fast that bullet enters the chamber...wait...it was ALWAYS in the chamber. once again your own "rules" fall short of reality.

now again - please report me.

You are talking about a SUPERMAN of shooters using a very modified weapon in a controlled condition. Not some young kid right out of school that is just wanting to set a new record on how many people he can kill in once sitting. His weapon was much harder to obtain that record he was going for. The targets were stationary. And at no time did he even come close to one 30 round mag, much less, 4 mags of 30 rounds or one 50 round mag available to the AR. What the AR does, it's so good at what it does (it kills people) that it takes a novice shooter and moves them into world class because that is what it's designed to do.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

If the military wants to take us they can come take us. We don't have nearly enough semi autos out there to stop them if they wanted to systematically come in and "take us" one city/town at a time.

So that "in balance" you refer to already exists.

Do we have tanks? Drones with bombs strapped to them? RPG's? Nukes? So stop worrying. You're already fucked if they want to **** you. But once it becomes gorilla war then you have your 45 or 357 or glock.

Good thing our forefathers didn't think that way.

Hey, good idea. Let's dig them up and ask them. Or have a seance.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

So you get my point then? The US Military has them and you want to be just as armed as they are? You people are insane.

the US military doesn't use the AR15.

Oh, stop this nonsense. They use the AR-15 Model 604. But they are stamped with M-16A-4 before it's delivered to comply with the Military identifying program.

The M-16a-4 is an ADAPTION of the AR-15. It is NOT an AR-15.

Everyone knows this.
Everyone.

Everyone except Daryl the 'rump' guy.

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