“Hell yes we are going to take your AR-15”

Despite only accounting for five percent of the global population, an astounding 31 percent of the world's mass shootings occur in the U.S. This year, there have been more mass shootings — defined as incidents in which four or more victims are shot — than days in the calendar year. According to ShootingTracker.com, which tracks deaths by guns in America, the U.S. has seen 355 mass shootings so far in 2015.

More rubbish fake news of yours? You'd think if true you'd be HAPPY because cutting down on people is cutting down on global pollution! Saving the environment! :laughing0301: Odd that your map shows most of the shootings occurring in mainly liberal big city domains! And yet still no proof that disarming law-abiding people would change any of this. And still no proof that banning all military style looking rifles would make a dent.

Oddly enough, the very people who want to take all our guns surround themselves with guns in locked, gated communities!

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The NRA is broke. I'm surprised they give anything now.
 
Your own ******* article explains why the ban didn't work. LOOPHOLES!!! Close the mother ******* loopholes
How, exactly, do you plan to do that?
What specific language would you use?

The lawmakers will do it. And the gun lobbyists will not have a seat at the table.
Gun grabbers shouldn't either.

NO ONE should be at the table until they exhibit in depth knowledge on guns and history of them COUPLED WITH research into the violence itself.

Guns are nt the problem in as much as the violent society we are creating.
True but we should close all loopholes, do background checks, and maybe even limit these AR15's to 10 round magazines.

Just saying.

And remember, I love my guns too. I don't want anyone taking my guns either. But I was happy when I went to Dunhams and tried to buy my Ruger 450 Bushmaster and they said I was not able to take the gun home that day. It would take 3-30 days. Why? I don't know. Could it be the violence in my history that came up when they did a search on me? I was never convicted of anything but maybe they saw I was arrested for assault 10 years ago. I was justified and was standing my ground/defending myself and got off but maybe they saw that. Could it be the time I beat the shit out of my neighbor but he never pressed charges? I'm sure that incident is on my record even though I was never charged. Could it be because 4 years ago I had a medical marijuana card? Even though it's legal in Michigan it's still a federal crime.

I was really worried they would not let me buy a gun because I smoke pot.

Anyways, about 15 days later Dunhams called and said I could pick up my gun. They must have done a good background check on me. I didn't mind. I hope they do that for everyone from now on.
i don't think ANYTHING should be done without it directly coordinating to stopping ANY KNOWN PAST MASS SHOOTING.

outlawing the AR15 - won't help. far too many out there and you'll never close that door again.

we have more than enough laws to say what those people do is illegal, but laws seldom change behavior. so until we can figure out what to do i am NOT for doing something for a false sense of security.

10 round mags. great, they just go get the millions of 30 round mags out there. but lets say those are gone, now they just tape 3 mags together and it takes just another second or 2 to swap over. in the end, doing this may make you feel good but it simply won't stop anyone from doing this.

why can we not spend our time trying to understand WHY these people keep doing these things and working it from that angle?

are we out to stop the violence, or control guns?

they are far from the same thing.
 
You act like guns can't be shipped into these cities from your safe white neighborhoods. The same way white people ship drugs into the ghettos of America. Don't get me started.

Thanks for admitting that a gun law has no effect on criminals. Also, thanks for your idiot racist views. It explains a lot about you.
 
My ruger 450 bushmaster only holds 3 in the mag and one in the chamber.
So?
So you want to allow wmd's...
There you go with the "WMD" lie again.
...that are killing American citizens on a daily basis...
If by "daily basis" you mean an average of 10 per year, sure.
Why do you need to lie to make a point?

I guess you are right. AR15's are not killing people on a daily basis. Guns in general are. Not specifically AR15's. So I did misspeak. My bad.

Excuse me. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Maybe we should ban people.
 
Despite only accounting for five percent of the global population, an astounding 31 percent of the world's mass shootings occur in the U.S. This year, there have been more mass shootings — defined as incidents in which four or more victims are shot — than days in the calendar year. According to ShootingTracker.com, which tracks deaths by guns in America, the U.S. has seen 355 mass shootings so far in 2015.

More rubbish fake news of yours? You'd think if true you'd be HAPPY because cutting down on people is cutting down on global pollution! Saving the environment! :laughing0301: Odd that your map shows most of the shootings occurring in mainly liberal big city domains! And yet still no proof that disarming law-abiding people would change any of this. And still no proof that banning all military style looking rifles would make a dent.

Oddly enough, the very people who want to take all our guns surround themselves with guns in locked, gated communities!

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The NRA is broke. I'm surprised they give anything now.

They had a couple people who stole from them. The NRA is fine. They are 8 million members strong. You should join. You might actually learn a thing or two about guns.
 
Despite only accounting for five percent of the global population, an astounding 31 percent of the world's mass shootings occur in the U.S. This year, there have been more mass shootings — defined as incidents in which four or more victims are shot — than days in the calendar year. According to ShootingTracker.com, which tracks deaths by guns in America, the U.S. has seen 355 mass shootings so far in 2015.

More rubbish fake news of yours? You'd think if true you'd be HAPPY because cutting down on people is cutting down on global pollution! Saving the environment! :laughing0301:


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Actually, there is some truth to this. I do think we are overpopulated.

Think about it like the violence in the ghettos. You don't give a **** about it because it's not happening in your neighborhood. You would care more if it were.

This seems to be a white middle class male problem. I'm a white middle class male. So I tend to care more about these shootings than the shootings I hear about every day in Detroit.
 
My ruger 450 bushmaster only holds 3 in the mag and one in the chamber.
So?
So you want to allow wmd's...
There you go with the "WMD" lie again.
...that are killing American citizens on a daily basis...
If by "daily basis" you mean an average of 10 per year, sure.
Why do you need to lie to make a point?

I guess you are right. AR15's are not killing people on a daily basis. Guns in general are. Not specifically AR15's. So I did misspeak. My bad.

Excuse me. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Maybe we should ban people.
Maybe we should go for the source of the problem, not the tools used to express rage.
 
Despite only accounting for five percent of the global population, an astounding 31 percent of the world's mass shootings occur in the U.S. This year, there have been more mass shootings — defined as incidents in which four or more victims are shot — than days in the calendar year. According to ShootingTracker.com, which tracks deaths by guns in America, the U.S. has seen 355 mass shootings so far in 2015.

More rubbish fake news of yours? You'd think if true you'd be HAPPY because cutting down on people is cutting down on global pollution! Saving the environment! :laughing0301: Odd that your map shows most of the shootings occurring in mainly liberal big city domains! And yet still no proof that disarming law-abiding people would change any of this. And still no proof that banning all military style looking rifles would make a dent.

Oddly enough, the very people who want to take all our guns surround themselves with guns in locked, gated communities!

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The NRA is broke. I'm surprised they give anything now.

They had a couple people who stole from them. The NRA is fine. They are 8 million members strong. You should join. You might actually learn a thing or two about guns.

Those members already paid. They never have to pay again.

I bet they are struggling to find new members.

The NRA Says It Has 5 Million Members. Its Magazines Tell Another Story.
Its magazines lost more than 10 percent of their readers last year.

The National Rifle Association likes to boast that it represents 5 million gun owners. Or maybe it’s “nearly” 5 million—or perhaps “more than” 5 million. The NRA has never provided solid numbers on how many members it has, yet a look at what data is out there suggests that its claims may be wide of the mark—and the real figure could have dropped by more than 10 percent in the year after Donald Trump was elected president.

The NRA’s membership figures have always been a moving target. In 2013, Mother Jones reported that its public membership claims had fluctuated wildly over the past two decades, suggesting both volatility and and plenty of soundbite-friendly vagueness.

As my colleague Josh Harkinson reported a few years ago, the NRA is thought to use a few tricks to pad its numbers, such as keeping dead lifetime members on its rolls. It also gives away free memberships to buyers of select gun brands. (Taurus, a major NRA backer, offers one-year memberships to its customers.) As a result, the organization’s core of committed members is likely much smaller than the overall number claimed. In 2011, Bloomberg News found a NRA pitch to prospective sponsors in which it said that about half of its then-4 million members were the “most active and interested.”

Another mystery of NRA membership is its readership gap. Every NRA member receives a subscription to one of its flagship magazines, American Rifleman, American Hunter, or America’s First Freedom. (Shooting Illustrated was added to the lineup in 2016.) Yet there is a considerable difference between these publications’ circulation numbers and the NRA’s membership claims.

NRA’s three main magazines had a combined print circulation of 3.4 million in December 2017. Add the NRA’s estimate of Shooting Illustrated‘s circulation, and the figure comes to 3.7 million—a far cry from 5 million. So why aren’t a quarter of the NRA’s members getting their free magazines?


 
My ruger 450 bushmaster only holds 3 in the mag and one in the chamber.
So?
So you want to allow wmd's...
There you go with the "WMD" lie again.
...that are killing American citizens on a daily basis...
If by "daily basis" you mean an average of 10 per year, sure.
Why do you need to lie to make a point?

I guess you are right. AR15's are not killing people on a daily basis. Guns in general are. Not specifically AR15's. So I did misspeak. My bad.

Excuse me. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Maybe we should ban people.
Maybe we should go for the source of the problem, not the tools used to express rage.

We should. What are you suggesting?
 
Despite only accounting for five percent of the global population, an astounding 31 percent of the world's mass shootings occur in the U.S. This year, there have been more mass shootings — defined as incidents in which four or more victims are shot — than days in the calendar year. According to ShootingTracker.com, which tracks deaths by guns in America, the U.S. has seen 355 mass shootings so far in 2015.

More rubbish fake news of yours? You'd think if true you'd be HAPPY because cutting down on people is cutting down on global pollution! Saving the environment! :laughing0301: Odd that your map shows most of the shootings occurring in mainly liberal big city domains! And yet still no proof that disarming law-abiding people would change any of this. And still no proof that banning all military style looking rifles would make a dent.

Oddly enough, the very people who want to take all our guns surround themselves with guns in locked, gated communities!

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So do you want every person in the crowd holding an AR15?


Typical black and white idiot leftist all or nothing extremist lunacy thinking. Too funny.
So you don't want everyone carrying an AR15. Got it.
 
My ruger 450 bushmaster only holds 3 in the mag and one in the chamber.
So?
So you want to allow wmd's...
There you go with the "WMD" lie again.
...that are killing American citizens on a daily basis...
If by "daily basis" you mean an average of 10 per year, sure.
Why do you need to lie to make a point?

I guess you are right. AR15's are not killing people on a daily basis. Guns in general are. Not specifically AR15's. So I did misspeak. My bad.

Excuse me. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Maybe we should ban people.
Maybe we should go for the source of the problem, not the tools used to express rage.

We should. What are you suggesting?
suggesting we stop wasting time going after guns when guns are simply how anger is being shown.

lets figure out what got people so angry. maybe, just maybe, it's the culture we create with hate and division on a minute by minute basis. maybe WE ARE responsible for this in as much as the guns.
 
My ruger 450 bushmaster only holds 3 in the mag and one in the chamber.
So?
So you want to allow wmd's...
There you go with the "WMD" lie again.
...that are killing American citizens on a daily basis...
If by "daily basis" you mean an average of 10 per year, sure.
Why do you need to lie to make a point?
I guess you are right. AR15's are not killing people on a daily basis.
So tell us - why did you lie?
 
Despite only accounting for five percent of the global population, an astounding 31 percent of the world's mass shootings occur in the U.S. This year, there have been more mass shootings — defined as incidents in which four or more victims are shot — than days in the calendar year. According to ShootingTracker.com, which tracks deaths by guns in America, the U.S. has seen 355 mass shootings so far in 2015.

More rubbish fake news of yours? You'd think if true you'd be HAPPY because cutting down on people is cutting down on global pollution! Saving the environment! :laughing0301: Odd that your map shows most of the shootings occurring in mainly liberal big city domains! And yet still no proof that disarming law-abiding people would change any of this. And still no proof that banning all military style looking rifles would make a dent.

Oddly enough, the very people who want to take all our guns surround themselves with guns in locked, gated communities!

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The NRA is broke. I'm surprised they give anything now.

They had a couple people who stole from them. The NRA is fine. They are 8 million members strong. You should join. You might actually learn a thing or two about guns.

Those members already paid. They never have to pay again.

I bet they are struggling to find new members.

The NRA Says It Has 5 Million Members. Its Magazines Tell Another Story.
Its magazines lost more than 10 percent of their readers last year.

The National Rifle Association likes to boast that it represents 5 million gun owners. Or maybe it’s “nearly” 5 million—or perhaps “more than” 5 million. The NRA has never provided solid numbers on how many members it has, yet a look at what data is out there suggests that its claims may be wide of the mark—and the real figure could have dropped by more than 10 percent in the year after Donald Trump was elected president.

The NRA’s membership figures have always been a moving target. In 2013, Mother Jones reported that its public membership claims had fluctuated wildly over the past two decades, suggesting both volatility and and plenty of soundbite-friendly vagueness.

As my colleague Josh Harkinson reported a few years ago, the NRA is thought to use a few tricks to pad its numbers, such as keeping dead lifetime members on its rolls. It also gives away free memberships to buyers of select gun brands. (Taurus, a major NRA backer, offers one-year memberships to its customers.) As a result, the organization’s core of committed members is likely much smaller than the overall number claimed. In 2011, Bloomberg News found a NRA pitch to prospective sponsors in which it said that about half of its then-4 million members were the “most active and interested.”

Another mystery of NRA membership is its readership gap. Every NRA member receives a subscription to one of its flagship magazines, American Rifleman, American Hunter, or America’s First Freedom. (Shooting Illustrated was added to the lineup in 2016.) Yet there is a considerable difference between these publications’ circulation numbers and the NRA’s membership claims.

NRA’s three main magazines had a combined print circulation of 3.4 million in December 2017. Add the NRA’s estimate of Shooting Illustrated‘s circulation, and the figure comes to 3.7 million—a far cry from 5 million. So why aren’t a quarter of the NRA’s members getting their free magazines?

are we referring to physical magazines? if so, they are ALL on the brink of the dinosaur. if we're talking online, every "subscription" online portal is begging for money.

you're applying a cultural problem to a singular entity and coming to a pre-determined conclusion. this article is a hackjob and if i were the editor, i'd have 3 choices. let it ride as propaganda, kill it all together, make the reporter re-do it with facts, not speculation.
 
why can we not spend our time trying to understand WHY these people keep doing these things and working it from that angle?
I already know why people are doing these things and have stated it several times over the years since joining. You are reaping the results of years of progressivism, years of immorality from taking religion out of society, you have cheapened life, people no longer value it, combined with overpopulation, lack of real opportunity and the realization that their life no longer matters and will never have a piece of the American Dream. People are sick and tired of being regulated, controlled, and told how to think, act, drive, shit, blow their nose, while heavily taxed with no voice in their government as change is FORCED upon them they neither like, want, but are made to accept and even pay for.

And all the restrictions and laws in the world will not change the violent and angry proclivities of the befouled masses. Guns, cars, knives, bombs, broken glass, rope, sticks, hands---- trying to suppress their anger at how the world is failing them will only make people more angry not less.
 
why can we not spend our time trying to understand WHY these people keep doing these things and working it from that angle?
I already know why people are doing these things and have stated it several times over the years since joining. You are reaping the results of years of progressivism, years of immorality from taking religion out of society, you have cheapened life, people no longer value it, combined with overpopulation, lack of real opportunity and the realization that their life no longer matters and will never have a piece of the American Dream. People are sick and tired of being regulated, controlled, and told how to think, act, drive, shit, blow their nose, while heavily taxed with no voice in their government as change is FORCED upon them they neither like, want, but are made to accept and even pay for.

And all the restrictions and laws in the world will not change the violent and angry proclivities of the befouled masses. Guns, cars, knives, bombs, broken glass, rope, sticks, hands, trying to suppress their anger at how the world is failing them will only make people more angry not less.
i am not a religious person and took it out of my own life.

living a good and proper life does not require someone to be religious.
 
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"What’s the purpose for an AR15?"
Exactly like any other firearm it's purpose is make holes in things that are out of reach. It is used for target shooting/competition, hunting to feed families, defense of home family livestock and self, emergency preparedness, collection, and investment. The reasons a person might want one are none of your business.

"Like a machine gun we might deem ar15s too dangerous for the general public to possess."
You do not have the right or the authority to do. UnConstitutional. Nor is the AR-15 any more dangerous than any other gun car or jet aircraft.

"We can’t stop nuts from taking a semi auto pistol that carries ten rounds. But at least most of the people hav a chance to get away."
Really? Exactly how do you intend to do that? High capacity magazines are common and long-lasting and easily fabricated? Also almost all weapons that use any sort of magazine can be converted to handle high capacity magazines. And even if could make such a ban effective I doubt if the police and military will appreciate the handicap.

"Your right is taking the rights away from all the people who die because even dumb Americans can buy wmds."
Untrue. Obviously you are the one advocating taking people's rights away. Does the word "tyranny" ring any bells with you.?

That's a good point. A semi auto handgun is just as powerful or can be but it's not as good from far away. So if you take one into a crowd and people start running you'll kill much fewer people with the handgun. And a CCW holder in the room might have a chance against you. I say ban assault rifles. I have a pretty powerful Ruger 450 Bushmaster. It only holds 4 rounds. That should be legal. It's a hunting gun. I like the person who said the purpose of a AR15 is to put holes in things. What things? Is it used to hunt deer or bear? Ok, how many bullets do you need? We should only allow 4 round magazines. If you can't hit the bear in 4 shots you suck and should be eaten by the bear.

If you are shooting paper plates then you just have to reload after 4 shots. Apparently you guys say that won't slow you down one bit so don't cry about nuthin.

AR-15s are not assault rifles. Nor are they especially powerful. What do you really want banned? They are indeed used to hunt all manner of things. They are especially favored by women and other smallish people who have difficulty handling more powerful rounds. They are indeed used to hunt deer and bear. They are also used to hunt wild hogs which can be quite dangerous and may show up in groups of two doz. or more and in many places there is no limit on how many you can or should kill due to the damage they do to the land and other species. View attachment 280039 View attachment 280039 View attachment 280039 View attachment 280039 View attachment 280044

My ruger 450 bushmaster only holds 3 in the mag and one in the chamber.

So you want to allow wmd's that are killing American citizens on a daily basis for the rare time that DOZENS of wild dogs will attack someone? What a crock of bullshit.

Show me the last time a person was attacked by DOZENS of wild dogs and used an AR15 to save their lives.

You can have a AR15 as long as you pass the background check.

And as all of you have said, limiting the number of rounds you can have in your magazine isn't going to slow you up one bit. So now PLEASE make the argument that you NEED 10 rounds in the mag because any less will slow you up. I want to see you guys contradict yourselves on this one.
So you want to allow wmd's that are killing American citizens on a daily basis for the rare time that DOZENS of wild dogs will attack someone? What a crock of bullshit.

Show me the last time a person was attacked by DOZENS of wild dogs and used an AR15 to save their lives.

You can have a AR15 as long as you pass the background check.
1. **** your ridiculous hyperbole.

2. Can I have a real assault rifle if I pass a background check? If not, why? The same logic applies.

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"What’s the purpose for an AR15?"
Exactly like any other firearm it's purpose is make holes in things that are out of reach. It is used for target shooting/competition, hunting to feed families, defense of home family livestock and self, emergency preparedness, collection, and investment. The reasons a person might want one are none of your business.

"Like a machine gun we might deem ar15s too dangerous for the general public to possess."
You do not have the right or the authority to do. UnConstitutional. Nor is the AR-15 any more dangerous than any other gun car or jet aircraft.

"We can’t stop nuts from taking a semi auto pistol that carries ten rounds. But at least most of the people hav a chance to get away."
Really? Exactly how do you intend to do that? High capacity magazines are common and long-lasting and easily fabricated? Also almost all weapons that use any sort of magazine can be converted to handle high capacity magazines. And even if could make such a ban effective I doubt if the police and military will appreciate the handicap.

"Your right is taking the rights away from all the people who die because even dumb Americans can buy wmds."
Untrue. Obviously you are the one advocating taking people's rights away. Does the word "tyranny" ring any bells with you.?

That's a good point. A semi auto handgun is just as powerful or can be but it's not as good from far away. So if you take one into a crowd and people start running you'll kill much fewer people with the handgun. And a CCW holder in the room might have a chance against you. I say ban assault rifles. I have a pretty powerful Ruger 450 Bushmaster. It only holds 4 rounds. That should be legal. It's a hunting gun. I like the person who said the purpose of a AR15 is to put holes in things. What things? Is it used to hunt deer or bear? Ok, how many bullets do you need? We should only allow 4 round magazines. If you can't hit the bear in 4 shots you suck and should be eaten by the bear.

If you are shooting paper plates then you just have to reload after 4 shots. Apparently you guys say that won't slow you down one bit so don't cry about nuthin.

AR-15s are not assault rifles. Nor are they especially powerful. What do you really want banned? They are indeed used to hunt all manner of things. They are especially favored by women and other smallish people who have difficulty handling more powerful rounds. They are indeed used to hunt deer and bear. They are also used to hunt wild hogs which can be quite dangerous and may show up in groups of two doz. or more and in many places there is no limit on how many you can or should kill due to the damage they do to the land and other species. View attachment 280039 View attachment 280039 View attachment 280039 View attachment 280039 View attachment 280044

My ruger 450 bushmaster only holds 3 in the mag and one in the chamber.

So you want to allow wmd's that are killing American citizens on a daily basis for the rare time that DOZENS of wild dogs will attack someone? What a crock of bullshit.

Show me the last time a person was attacked by DOZENS of wild dogs and used an AR15 to save their lives.

You can have a AR15 as long as you pass the background check.

And as all of you have said, limiting the number of rounds you can have in your magazine isn't going to slow you up one bit. So now PLEASE make the argument that you NEED 10 rounds in the mag because any less will slow you up. I want to see you guys contradict yourselves on this one.
So you want to allow wmd's that are killing American citizens on a daily basis for the rare time that DOZENS of wild dogs will attack someone? What a crock of bullshit.

Show me the last time a person was attacked by DOZENS of wild dogs and used an AR15 to save their lives.

You can have a AR15 as long as you pass the background check.
1. **** your ridiculous hyperbole.

2. Can I have a real assault rifle if I pass a background check? If not, why? The same logic applies.

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i don't get that point. you have to pass a background check to get a bolt action 22.
 
Despite only accounting for five percent of the global population, an astounding 31 percent of the world's mass shootings occur in the U.S. This year, there have been more mass shootings — defined as incidents in which four or more victims are shot — than days in the calendar year. According to ShootingTracker.com, which tracks deaths by guns in America, the U.S. has seen 355 mass shootings so far in 2015.

More rubbish fake news of yours? You'd think if true you'd be HAPPY because cutting down on people is cutting down on global pollution! Saving the environment! :laughing0301: Odd that your map shows most of the shootings occurring in mainly liberal big city domains! And yet still no proof that disarming law-abiding people would change any of this. And still no proof that banning all military style looking rifles would make a dent.

Oddly enough, the very people who want to take all our guns surround themselves with guns in locked, gated communities!

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Typical black and white idiot leftist all or nothing extremist lunacy thinking. Too funny.
So you don't want everyone carrying an AR15. Got it.
It doesn't matter either way. I guarantee you there will be much politeness in said crowed, but why do you assume a crowd of armed people will instinctively start shooting each other? That is ******* retarded.

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If you sell a gun to a criminal, you are a criminal
If you take a gun from a non-violent citizen who is lawfully in possession by whatever means (including government force), you are a ******* criminal and you deserved to be executed.

Don't be a criminal. You'll live longer.

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If a weapon is declared unlawful possession of one is against the law

If you use that weapon you belong in jail
we are not in said fantasy land just yet, now are we? so you're calling people criminals for breaking laws that don't exist at this time.

btw - have you reported me yet?


The thread is about what if AR 15s are banned?

Your trolling has gotten out of hand. You have been reported to the Internet Police
great. now go back and look at your own snark post after snark post that has zero to do with "what if" OF WHICH is not the topic of said thread, just what you trolled it into. the topic was beto saying HELL YES WE ARE COMING FOR THEM.

you reported yourself too, i should hope.
More trolling on your part

My posts are thorough and incisive
 
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