Hegseth defends returning Confederate monument to Arlington National Cemetery

[Correll]

It wasn't a monument to slavery or even to 5he confederacy. It was a monument to reconciliation.

They know that. THey are playing dumb so they have an excuse to have a hissy fit and call people names.

 

[Nostra]

The shrine glorifies the sin, it doesn’t provide forgiveness.

I’m fine with forgiveness, but this shrine does not demonstrate contrition.

Keep trying to erase your racist history.

 

[Rawley]

Sadly far too many see no reason why the KKK would need forgiven for anything.

Your party's legacy.

 

[Nostra]

People did the same for the KKK at the time too.

Another Dimwinger creation.

 

[Correll]

The shrine glorifies the sin, it doesn’t provide forgiveness.

I’m fine with forgiveness, but this shrine does not demonstrate contrition.

And you ignored my point to just reassert your own.


Typical leftard. YOu know on some level that your argument is retarded so, playing stupid debating games is all you have.


IN the real world, the war ended and the people at the time, worked to put the bloodshed behind them and rebuild the nation.


And they did.

Modern assholes have no moral standing to try undo their decisions on that.

 

[pknopp]

Bullshit. Lincoln was no friend to blacks.

Irrelevant. If the south had won, slavery would have remained legal.

 

[Marener]

The KKK came after, when some of the losers decided they didn't want to hold to the terms, kind of like what you are doing now.

Who cares?

You have no say in that, that's between the people that fought at the time.

**** man, the entire white supremacy structure of the south and a lot of the rest of the country didn’t want to hold to the terms. That’s how you get monuments like this put up in 1912.

Forgiveness should only be given to the contrite. The monument doesn’t ask for forgiveness. It brags about their supremacy.

 

[Nostra]

Irrelevant. If the south had won, slavery would have remained legal.

Sad?

 

[pknopp]

Your party's legacy.

My party? Lol

 

[pknopp]

Sad?

It would have been, yes.

 

[Correll]

**** man, the entire white supremacy structure of the south and a lot of the rest of the country didn’t want to hold to the terms. That’s how you get monuments like this put up in 1912.

You think in 1912, the South wanted to reinstute slavery and leave the union and to do that they put up some statues on the park?


HAHAHAHAHA. That is the most retarded thing I have seen today, and the competition for that prize has been fierce.

 

[Marener]

IN the real world, the war ended and the people at the time, worked to put the bloodshed behind them and rebuild the nation.

They clearly didn’t work to put the bloodshed behind them. They worked to reestablish the system of white supremacy in whatever way possible.

The shrine embodies that effort.

Do you forgive people who aren’t sorry?

 

[Marener]

You think in 1912, the South wanted to reinstute slavery and leave the union and to do that they put up some statues on the park?


HAHAHAHAHA. That is the most retarded thing I have seen today, and the competition for that prize has been fierce.

They couldnt reinstate slavery but they could institute white supremacy.

It’s the next best thing.

 

[Care4all]

Why weren’t the KKK forgiven? Is it because you’re applying 2025 morality to 1915?

If the confederate memorial was there to forgive the confederate soldiers, that would be so much more palatable.

It’s not about forgiveness, because the shrine justifies their actions.

The Confederate Burial Ground in Arlington held all the confederate soldiers killed in battle there in the DC region and prisoners of war that died in prison, both were already buried and disbursed among the union soldier dead in Arlington.... PLUS all the Confederate bones found on battlefields that have no names, and Confederate buried in DC in a specific cemetery for them, who were moved to this new section Confederates were all gathered to and reinterred in Arlington.

This Confederate section was not taken care of, the families visiting were not even permitted to leave flowers...they were treated with great animosity and disrespect for about 4 decades....

Until President McKinley and the Spanish American war where citizens from our South and our North fought the enemy TOGETHER, side by side.

The 1898 McKinley speech​

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The federal government's policy toward Confederate graves at Arlington National Cemetery changed at the end of the 19th century.

The 10-week Spanish–American War of 1898 marked the first time since prior to the Civil War that Americans from all states, North and South, were involved in a military conflict with a foreign power.<a href="Confederate Memorial (Arlington National Cemetery) - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>12<span>]</span></a> After the Spanish–American War ended in August, a series of celebrations ("peace jubilees") were held in major cities in the United States from October through December. Many Southerners were lukewarm in their support for the war and for President William McKinley's territorial expansion in Cuba and the Philippines,<a href="Confederate Memorial (Arlington National Cemetery) - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a><span title="Page / location: 179">: 179 </span> and it was not clear that the Treaty of Paris (the agreement ending the Spanish–American War) would win the approval of the United States Senate.<a href="Confederate Memorial (Arlington National Cemetery) - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></a>

President McKinley made a 2,000-mile (3,200 km) trip across the Deep South by train in December 1898 to promote Senate ratification of the Treaty of Paris and racial harmony.<a href="Confederate Memorial (Arlington National Cemetery) - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a><span title="Page / location: 179–180">: 179–180 </span><a href="Confederate Memorial (Arlington National Cemetery) - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>a<span>]</span></a> McKinley saw untended Confederate graves in Fredericksburg, Virginia, during his campaign for the presidency in 1896, and the sight bothered him.<a href="Confederate Memorial (Arlington National Cemetery) - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a><span title="Page / location: 181">: 181 </span> In his speech at the Atlanta Peace Jubilee on December 14, 1898, McKinley not only celebrated the end of sectionalism but also announced that the federal government would now begin tending Confederate graves since these dead represented "a tribute to American valor".<a href="Confederate Memorial (Arlington National Cemetery) - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a><span title="Page / location: 181">: 181 </span> The speech impressed many Southerners, who saw it as a grand gesture of reconciliation and a symbol of national unification.

 

[Nostra]

My party? Lol

Yep, your racist party.

Nobody buys your independence claim, moron.

 

[Nostra]

It would have been, yes.

Glad you admit you think the end of slavery is sad.

You still have some brown slaves….at least for a while.

 

[BlindBoo]

The KKK wasn't forgiven like the confederates were.

In reality the KKK and like minded groups were the original insurgents of the south, fighting federal reconstruction and occupation forces. They finally won back control in all the South around the turn of the Century. That's when they started erecting the Statues and promoting the revisionist history of the Lost Cause.

 

[Nostra]

They clearly didn’t work to put the bloodshed behind them. They worked to reestablish the system of white supremacy in whatever way possible.

The shrine embodies that effort.

Do you forgive people who aren’t sorry?

Why did your racist party work so hard for that?

 

[Nostra]

In reality the KKK and like minded groups were the original insurgents of the south, fighting federal reconstruction and occupation forces. They finally won back control in all the South around the turn of the Century. That's when they started erecting the Statues and promoting the revisionist history of the Lost Cause.

You sure know the history of your racist party.

 

[Correll]

They clearly didn’t work to put the bloodshed behind them.

Clearly they did. As you can see by the fact that the South has long been reintegrated into the national fabric.

They worked to reestablish the system of white supremacy in whatever way possible.

The establishment of Jim Crow was a regional thing only enpowered by the Dem party providing political cover. That was not part of the post civil war forgiveness, but a seperate political issue.

It is one thing for you to be unhappy about history, it is another for you to pretend to be too retarded to tell two seperate things apart.

The shrine embodies that effort.

NO, it really doesn't. It clearly is about remembering fallen soldiers and their sacrifice.

The Jim Crow dem machine, had guns and ropes to enforce their will. THey didn't need statues in the park to scare black people.

Do you forgive people who aren’t sorry?

Not my call. That was the decision of the people that fought and won the civil war.


I have no moral standing to disagree with them.