Hegseth defends returning Confederate monument to Arlington National Cemetery

[Marener]

The "lost "cause"

Yep. They key part is, they lost.

Of course they lost. Everyone knows they lost.

But it holds their cause up to be the moral and righteous one.

Do you forgive people who don’t ask for forgiveness and believe they were right to cause harm? Of course not.

 

[martybegan]

Of course they lost. Everyone knows they lost.

But it holds their cause up to be the moral and righteous one.

Do you forgive people who don’t ask for forgiveness and believe they were right to cause harm? Of course not.

They were allowed to do so by the people that beat them. All they had to do was pledge loyalty to the federal government, which they did.

How they memorialized losing was left up to them.

 

[Rawley]

My party? Lol

Yup. Your party

 

[Marener]

They were allowed to do so by the people that beat them. All they had to do was pledge loyalty to the federal government, which they did.

How they memorialized losing was left up to them.

And 60 years later, this shrine shows that it was all meaningless.

The idea that we have no say in the presence of this statute is just ******* dumb. Some racists put up a racist statute and so we can’t ever take it down. Idiotic.

 

[Marener]

Can visitors stop and take a dump on it?

Maybe someone will put a statute up about all the Nazi heroes who died defending Normandy on D Day.

******* dumb.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Because the 1860's-1870's KKK were a bunch of actual criminals?

Change that to 1860's - current.

 

[Correll]

Very relevant, you just don’t want to admit it.

Suppressing blacks was the goal. They’d do it as part of America if they could.

The Confederacy was willing to fight and die to keep SLAVERY, not to settle for just "suppressing" freed blacks.

That you...lie abou this, is you being a liar.

I have the benefit of retrospect, and can tell this statue isn’t about reconciliation but about keeping alive the sentiment that caused the civil war.

Except the sentiment of both the Confederacy and Jim Crow are long dead, and yet, the desire to celebrate their history and their lost dead, si still there...

So, again, the shit you say, just is not true.

We aren’t asking for submission. We are asking that the south recognize their error, which they clearly don’t. How can there be reconciliation if the fundamental issue isn’t resolved?

You clearly are asking fof submission and mindless conformity. And the fundamental issue was resolved.

your hysterical about race, is not shared, not by the Americians of the time, nor me today. So... get over yourself, lefty.

Pretending it isn’t about race is ignorant.

Who's pretending? I pointed out that when these statues were erected, that Jim Crow was in full effect. The power of the dem party and it's racism had guns and nooses to enforce their will.

I've read accounts of the civil rights struggles of those time periods. Not once did I read any discussion of, or fear of some statues in the park.

It was more like lynchings and fire hoses, and shootings, not... memorial statues.


you are a fool.

The statute isn’t about forgiveness. Not one iota.

You go build a time machine and go back and time and sell your line of jive to the American voters of the post war era.

Because this is long settled shit. Today, you people are just being assholes.

This statute doesn’t admit they were wrong. It boasts they were right. They just happened to lose anyway.

Most people want to put a positive spin on their losses.

YOur desire to turn everything into a struggle session is denied. You marxist are not in charge and hopefully you never will be.


We are UNDOING, your cancel culture shit.

 

[drudge X]

And 60 years later, this shrine shows that it was all meaningless.

The idea that we have no say in the presence of this statute is just ******* dumb. Some racists put up a racist statute and so we can’t ever take it down. Idiotic.

It's historical. Taking it down means you are denying the dark days of this country. What are you, a revisionist? How about stop looking at everything blacks are complaining about because of racism? Why is it that Democrats never want to talk with blacks about personal responsibility or the cultural problem but instead, any obstacle, it's white guy did it?

 

[martybegan]

And 60 years later, this shrine shows that it was all meaningless.

The idea that we have no say in the presence of this statute is just ******* dumb. Some racists put up a racist statute and so we can’t ever take it down. Idiotic.

The failure of Reconstruction showed that. Blame JWB for killing Lincoln before he could set it up properly.

Being butthurt so much that you have to have it removed is far worse.

 

[BlindBoo]

they didn't need it then.

Blame Booth for why reconstruction failed.

They needed control to pass the Jim Crow laws.

The occupation of the South failed because the North got tied of fighting and seeing their men come home in caskets.

 

[Zincwarrior]

You say that like martybegan has not repeatedly made the point that the rebels lost and were forgiven and welcomed back into the fold.

Pardoned. Not forgiven. Not welcomed back.

 

[martybegan]

Change that to 1860's - current.

The 1920's KKK was more of a fraternal organization than the criminal ones before and after.

And the 1960's one died out really in the 1980's. The WP Prison Gangs took over.

The current KKK is pathetic and only has any agency due to the left trying to use it as a smear on anyone to the right of Mitt Romney.

 

[Marener]

The failure of Reconstruction showed that. Blame JWB for killing Lincoln before he could set it up properly.

Being butthurt so much that you have to have it removed is far worse.

I’ll blame Hegseth for feeling the need to put the monument to white supremacy back.

Removing it is the least bad option. It should have never been placed in the first place. It definitely shouldn’t be replaced in 2025.

 

[martybegan]

Pardoned. Not forgiven. Not welcomed back.

They were given back full rights as Citizens. They were forgiven and welcomed back to the United States, as was the Union's purpose in the war.

Don't try revisionist history on me, buddy.

 

[martybegan]

I’ll blame Hegseth for feeling the need to put the monument to white supremacy back.

Removing it is the least bad option. It should have never been placed in the first place. It definitely shouldn’t be replaced in 2025.

It's not a monument to White Supremacy, stop lying.

 

[Marener]

It's not a monument to White Supremacy, stop lying.

That’s what the inscription implies.

Those that fought to keep white’s supremacy over black people were called heroes. Their cause was just and righteous.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I simply don't see the problem.

They died because they were drafted by the slave owners who didn't have to go themselves.

 

[martybegan]

They needed control to pass the Jim Crow laws.

The occupation of the South failed because the North got tied of fighting and seeing their men come home in caskets.

The cost and the time spent was far more a reason. The actual violence was overstated as a reason,.

The initial punitive nature of it due to the Radical Republicans, once they neutralized Andrew Johnston via impeachment also had a role to play.

 

[Correll]

Pardoned. Not forgiven. Not welcomed back.

A hundred and fifty years of American history since then, says otherwise.

 

[martybegan]

They died because they were drafted by the slave owners who didn't have to go themselves.

Most of the slave owners of proper age and their sons fought, but as officers. Again with the revisionist history.