Zone1 Hebrews 1:8 says Jesus is God

[hobelim]

Republicans are capable of free thought and will. They debate amongst themselves without fear of retribution.

Republicans are capable of free thought and will? They debate amongst themselves without fear of retribution? You must be joking. If they are capable then they surely have failed to demonstrate any faith or courage. Damn.

All of them with their phony Christian family values and pretentious "faith in Jesus" have bent over for trump, the epitome of a talking serpent, OPENLY IN PUBLIC and they don't even have enough sense, self respect or loyalty to their constituents to be humiliated for their disgusting obscene display of subservience. Any who stray from trumps openly fascist agenda are attacked and threatened and then they bend over too, live and in living color.

What blindness!

 

[BreezeWood]

The Bible did not say any of your gibberish. Where in the Bible does it say Paul faked anything? Why do you get to choose what is truth and no one else does? Are you God?

c-bear just prefers how the crucifiers wrote the 4th century christian bible than heavenly truth and adorns their lifestyle of servitude and denial over that of the exemplars liberation theology, self determination - who c-bear the jew persecutes and victimizes the same as they do jesus.

 

[HaShev]

The Father himself is speaking in Hebrews 1 and says in verse 8 that Jesus, His Son, is to be called God as well. Now, Colossians 2:9 makes sense. "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Verse 8 then says not to follow the philosophy and vain deceit after the traditions of men. This means to only follow prophets and apostles who teach through the spirit of God and not the secular non-prophets of the Unitarians like Jehovah Witnesses and their non-prophet so called scholars.

Just so you know, I am not a JW,
I am a JEW saying this:
Hebrews 1:8 says the Son,
"Yourthrone, O God, will last for ever and ever, andrighteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy."
That is not about God, that is about his anointed mediator.
Now since the scrolls 4Q471 XVII says the Kingdom is Michael's Kingdom and the bible and people know Michael as the angel of Righteousness then Hebrews 1:8 is obviously calling Michael the SON. Now to back this up also in chapter one:the son is placed higher then the angels (top Main)=arch. YET Jesus is made lower then angels and Michael in the rest of the book of Hebrews, thus the son can't be Jesus and must be Michael.
(Heb 2:7,9) You made him a little lower than angels; with glory and honoryou crowned him, and appointed him over the works of your hands. 9 but webehold Jesus, who has been made a little lower than angels,Hebrews 5:6, 5:10, & 6:20 say Jesus is after the Order of Melchizedek(another name for Archangel Michael)Undeniably means Michael is called his son. But wait there's more verses outside Hebrews that reveal this:The Bible calls the angels God's "sons." (Job 1:6)Who is God's main or arch son then?ACCORDING TO TRADITIONS BEFORE THE BABYLONIAN CAPTIVITY1QM v, 1-2) States: "God himself is a supreme agent of salvation and afterhim in importance is Michael."(IQ28b Blessings) V.....20)"The Blessings of the Prince of the Congregation"states he will establish the Kingdom for his people forever...*(more proof for Hebrews chapter one being about Michael as the son).In JOHN 5:22 "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto THE SON."Then this verse is calling Michael the son , because Michael is mentioned to be the Judge in scripture and tradition.

1 John 3:08 clearly describes Michael as the Son who removes the devil otherwise they have to admit they place Jesus in Michael roles as a "thief in the NIGHT" because Michael was the remover of the devil and his works inGenesis, Ezekiel and Rev.example:Account of the Genesis which Enotes composed, to set against the Genesis ofMoses, when it says [2] that the Devil (diabolos) was cast out ofheaven(future Perfected earth) because of the evil (kakia) which he hadbrought forth and that Michael was set (kathistanai) in his place, that hemight be associated with (synistanai) the just judge (krites), and might bethe ambassador (presbeuein) for all creation; for he is good (agathos).(meaning the Devil was the rule of this world and Michael was sent in hisPlace to cast out the evil he caused.)This means 1 John 3:8 is also calling Michael the Son.which means John 3:16 is about having faith in Michael to bring abouteternal life.

 

[Donald H]

There can be more than just one god. The Christian's god himself is on record as acknowledging the existance of several other gods.

It's all superstition and manmade hocus-pocus.

 

[irosie91]

I agree. Just look at the liberal commie media against Trump. TDS. The media and Democrats again are calling the LA riots peaceful while buildings and cars are being burned down and up. When it comes to knowing wrong and right, good and evil, God has given us two tools to know: the light of Christ (our conscience) and the influence or gift of The Holy Ghost. Some choose to shut off that line of communication to justify their choice of evil and doing wrong. Others can recognize them.

"others" recognize your specific interpretations of those writings----according to their
specific brain function

 

[irosie91]

There can be more than just one god. The Christian's god himself is on record as acknowledging the existance of several other gods.

It's all superstition and manmade hocus-pocus.

mistranslation

 

[HaShev]

There can be more than just one god. The Christian's god himself is on record as acknowledging the existance of several other gods.

It's all superstition and manmade hocus-pocus.

They were worshiping the rival Canaanite god to the God of the Hebrews named in the holy city.
CANAAN had 2 rival gods Baal who's son was the Morning Star (Jesus in Rev 22:16) and Shalem (the Evening Star) Who the Hebrews coming from Ancient Chaldee(pre Chaldean empire) reinterpreted as Michael who was the god of that region of Chaldee but now interpreted as the mediator reflection manifeststion of that "Essence" they now called GOD ( Who was not a man nor form= not to be anthropromorphized).
IT'S EASY TO SPOT THIS:
From the Baal sun circle crosses,
Baal Dec 25 birthdate, Fishead had mitre of Baal's father Dagon the fishman god, fish scale robes, fishman god ring the pope wears, saying baals son the morning star Jesus is the only begotten son when Psalms says David was God's begotten son, so Jesus can't be the only begotten therefore his god is not the same which explains why they need to convert Jews away from their God to the Roman god through the intercessor which was the son of perdition Lucifer in the Bible.
If you didn't have the Michael vs Lucifer Bible story you would see it in symbolism in the traditions of how the holy city becomes the city of peace. SHALEM becomes Shalom when the Night (evening star) overturns the Day (morning star).
The holy city held the secret all the time, thus the focus for that reason.

 

[hobelim]

God has given us two tools to know: the light of Christ (our conscience) and the influence or gift of The Holy Ghost.

Isn't against Divine Law to seek the guidance of spirits that make you squeak and gibber?






Isn't this child abuse? A slaughter of the innocents? Sacrificing your children to Moloch? An abomination to the Lord? Aborting the natural development of the mind effectively murdering their souls and crippling them for life?

And if what you profess to believe is the Holy Spirit, some invisible disembodied entity, how is it that your Holy Spirit hasn't done even one single thing that Jesus said he would be sent by God to do when he came?


How do you explain this? Is he sleeping? Out to lunch? On vacation? When is your Holy Spirit going to get around doing what Jesus said he would be sent by God do when he came? Seriously its been over 2000 years.

All you pretentious fuckers who claim to be "filled with the Holy Spirit" are filled with something but it ain't holy.

¡Culiao!​

 

[Cougarbear]

Republicans are capable of free thought and will? They debate amongst themselves without fear of retribution? You must be joking. If they are capable then they surely have failed to demonstrate any faith or courage. Damn.

All of them with their phony Christian family values and pretentious "faith in Jesus" have bent over for trump, the epitome of a talking serpent, OPENLY IN PUBLIC and they don't even have enough sense, self respect or loyalty to their constituents to be humiliated for their disgusting obscene display of subservience. Any who stray from trumps openly fascist agenda are attacked and threatened and then they bend over too, live and in living color.

What blindness!

Just look at the great big beautiful bill. Republicans are going back and forth because they are debating their points out in the open and not completely agreeing. Back and forth from the House to the Senate and back. The Democrats, they never have real descent. They vote lockstep with whoever is leading the Democrat Party.

You simply have nothing to justify your false opinions of Paul and the Apostles. Typical JW cult thinking.

 

[Cougarbear]

c-bear just prefers how the crucifiers wrote the 4th century christian bible than heavenly truth and adorns their lifestyle of servitude and denial over that of the exemplars liberation theology, self determination - who c-bear the jew persecutes and victimizes the same as they do jesus.

You still have nothing to support your delusions. It's why no one takes you seriously.

 

[hobelim]

ust look at the great big beautiful bill. Republicans are going back and forth because they are debating their points out in the open and not completely agreeing. Back and forth from the House to the Senate and back

They're debating a crock of stir fried shit. Back and forth, whatever. The bill is a treasonous affront to the people, an open desecration of the constitution, whether republican democrat liberal or conservative on either side.

Look at what Benedict Donald has already done and tell me he's not guilty of treason, openly embracing Putin and every dictator despot and tyrant worldwide, trying to dismantle democracy and take over sovereign nations with his fascist bullshit.

Damn. You must have never lived in a big city. I suppose if you swallow the lie that one god is three persons, a trinity that became a human sacrifice so you can sin with impunity for life, you'll pretend to believe anything.

The border emergency is pure bullshit. Trump has pardoned some of the most despicable criminals out there. Traitors. Rapists. Con artists. Sex traffickers. Corrupt government officials. Nazis. Joe Arapio for Christ's sake!

Rube.

 

[Cougarbear]

Just so you know, I am not a JW,
I am a JEW saying this:
Hebrews 1:8 says the Son,
"Yourthrone, O God, will last for ever and ever, andrighteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy."
That is not about God, that is about his anointed mediator.
Now since the scrolls 4Q471 XVII says the Kingdom is Michael's Kingdom and the bible and people know Michael as the angel of Righteousness then Hebrews 1:8 is obviously calling Michael the SON. Now to back this up also in chapter one:the son is placed higher then the angels (top Main)=arch. YET Jesus is made lower then angels and Michael in the rest of the book of Hebrews, thus the son can't be Jesus and must be Michael.
(Heb 2:7,9) You made him a little lower than angels; with glory and honoryou crowned him, and appointed him over the works of your hands. 9 but webehold Jesus, who has been made a little lower than angels,Hebrews 5:6, 5:10, & 6:20 say Jesus is after the Order of Melchizedek(another name for Archangel Michael)Undeniably means Michael is called his son. But wait there's more verses outside Hebrews that reveal this:The Bible calls the angels God's "sons." (Job 1:6)Who is God's main or arch son then?ACCORDING TO TRADITIONS BEFORE THE BABYLONIAN CAPTIVITY1QM v, 1-2) States: "God himself is a supreme agent of salvation and afterhim in importance is Michael."(IQ28b Blessings) V.....20)"The Blessings of the Prince of the Congregation"states he will establish the Kingdom for his people forever...*(more proof for Hebrews chapter one being about Michael as the son).In JOHN 5:22 "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto THE SON."Then this verse is calling Michael the son , because Michael is mentioned to be the Judge in scripture and tradition.

1 John 3:08 clearly describes Michael as the Son who removes the devil otherwise they have to admit they place Jesus in Michael roles as a "thief in the NIGHT" because Michael was the remover of the devil and his works inGenesis, Ezekiel and Rev.example:Account of the Genesis which Enotes composed, to set against the Genesis ofMoses, when it says [2] that the Devil (diabolos) was cast out ofheaven(future Perfected earth) because of the evil (kakia) which he hadbrought forth and that Michael was set (kathistanai) in his place, that hemight be associated with (synistanai) the just judge (krites), and might bethe ambassador (presbeuein) for all creation; for he is good (agathos).(meaning the Devil was the rule of this world and Michael was sent in hisPlace to cast out the evil he caused.)This means 1 John 3:8 is also calling Michael the Son.which means John 3:16 is about having faith in Michael to bring abouteternal life.

I agree that Michael and his force in heaven were charged with removing Lucifer and the third of the hosts of heaven. They lined them up and sent them to the earth to be part of our tests of faith as they lie in wait to deceive. Lucifer threatened his army and because of that, I believe that Father in Heaven has protected them by taking them from the earth before they are at the age of accountability to sin at age of approximately 8.

Your interpretation as a Jew is false. You are taking information from the JW's which are in error. I'm a convert from Judaism and born a Jew. Jesus is the Messiah, Son of Father in Heaven. You take things out of context all over the place. Just like JW's do. The words in Heb. 2:9, is saying he became lower than the angels because he came as the Son of God and became man (verse 6). He's not lower than angels before he came to the earth and after he was resurrected. Paul was simply explaining that he became human and subject to physical death. Good grief.

 

[HaShev]

I agree that Michael and his force in heaven were charged with removing Lucifer and the third of the hosts of heaven. They lined them up and sent them to the earth to be part of our tests of faith as they lie in wait to deceive. Lucifer threatened his army and because of that, I believe that Father in Heaven has protected them by taking them from the earth before they are at the age of accountability to sin at age of approximately 8.

Your interpretation as a Jew is false. You are taking information from the JW's which are in error. I'm a convert from Judaism and born a Jew. Jesus is the Messiah, Son of Father in Heaven. You take things out of context all over the place. Just like JW's do. The words in Heb. 2:9, is saying he became lower than the angels because he came as the Son of God and became man (verse 6). He's not lower than angels before he came to the earth and after he was resurrected. Paul was simply explaining that he became human and subject to physical death. Good grief.

You are wrong, they (JW's) came to the same conclusion as I did because they know Michael is the Moshiach of the Bible, not that I use their material, hence why I stated I was a Jew Not a JW. They however are deceived by Rome creating his (Jesus) image by plagiarising characters in the Bible and Roles such of the Arch Malakh aka head Rabbi.

Re-read what you said: (the first fallen messiah)lucifer takes the third of the hosts (priests) of heaven (olam habah means world to come aka future) and a third of the hosts in this future are indeed Christian preaching Jesus and Baal his father worship, not God. JESUS FATHER IS BAAL hence the Borrowed baal sun circle cross, borrowed Dec 25th birthday, plagiarised passion play death scene found in predated ancient tablets, David is God's begotten in Psalms therefore Jesus can't be David's God's only begotten, he has to have another father and since father and son are 1
(1 in the same myth) BAAL JESUS =666 AS THE NUMBER OF HIS NAME (ASCll numerology used to secret #'s from names). ROME LEFT THIS PUNCHLINE AT THE END OF THEIR MOCKERY JOKE.
Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify these things in the churches.
· I am the bright and Morning Star (lucifer)

[See Lucifer here etymology of "": "[ the morning star, a fallen rebel archangel, THE Devil, fr. OE. fr. Latin, the morning star, fr. Lucifer light-bearing, fr. luc light + -fer -ferous--more at LIGHT]" (Webster's, p.677)

 

[irosie91]

You are wrong, they (JW's) came to the same conclusion as I did because they know Michael is the Moshiach of the Bible, not that I use their material, hence why I stated I was a Jew Not a JW. They however are deceived by Rome creating his (Jesus) image by plagiarising characters in the Bible and Roles such of the Arch Malakh aka head Rabbi.

Re-read what you said: (the first fallen messiah)lucifer takes the third of the hosts (priests) of heaven (olam habah means world to come aka future) and a third of the hosts in this future are indeed Christian preaching Jesus and Baal his father worship, not God. JESUS FATHER IS BAAL hence the Borrowed baal sun circle cross, borrowed Dec 25th birthday, plagiarised passion play death scene found in predated ancient tablets, David is God's begotten in Psalms therefore Jesus can't be David's God's only begotten, he has to have another father and since father and son are 1
(1 in the same myth) BAAL JESUS =666 AS THE NUMBER OF HIS NAME (ASCll numerology used to secret #'s from names). ROME LEFT THIS PUNCHLINE AT THE END OF THEIR MOCKERY JOKE.
Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify these things in the churches.
· I am the bright and Morning Star (lucifer)

[See Lucifer here etymology of "": "[ the morning star, a fallen rebel archangel, THE Devil, fr. OE. fr. Latin, the morning star, fr. Lucifer light-bearing, fr. luc light + -fer -ferous--more at LIGHT]" (Webster's, p.677)

why did they shove this atrocity on the head of an innocent crucified Pharisee?

 

[hobelim]

why did they shove this atrocity on the head of an innocent crucified Pharisee?

Think about it.

The real Jesus must have really pissed Rome off to no end for them to have gone through the monumental trouble of abolishing all other religions to replace them with just one "universal church" dedicated to defying the Hebrew God, by worshipping a trinity, and desecrating the WORDS of Jesus, by teaching that one can receive eternal life by celebrating his torture and death, hmm, and worshipping Jesus as a mangod (idolatry) and eating him in the form of a lifeless piece of bread made by human hands for spiritual life every now and then on Sunday.

Derp.

Since 325ce Rome has used "the power of death" consequent to defying Divine Law to beguile and subjugate the nations making entire populations easy prey for every sort of foul and loathsome beast and bird on earth.

To be fleeced to the bone, for money, used and abused daily, sent to fight endless wars and discarded like so much trash on a regular basis so a few crafty devils can maintain their bloated wealth year after year after year.


That's why.

 

[BreezeWood]

You still have nothing to support your delusions. It's why no one takes you seriously.

no less than any of the desert religions and their works of fiction bibles.

and their use of a 4th century christian bible written by the crucifiers as a fools gold they are unable to comprehend as by their own accord - the true events of the 1st century.

a false book without an appendix for a single document they used to write their book as a work of fiction for a period of just under 100 years. without a single word included written by jesus or any other contemporary inclusion during the events being described.

 

[irosie91]

Think about it.

The real Jesus must have really pissed Rome off to no end for them to have gone through the monumental trouble of abolishing all other religions to replace them with just one "universal church" dedicated to defying the Hebrew God, by worshipping a trinity, and desecrating the WORDS of Jesus, by teaching that one can receive eternal life by celebrating his torture and death, hmm, and worshipping Jesus as a mangod (idolatry) and eating him in the form of a lifeless piece of bread made by human hands for spiritual life every now and then on Sunday.

Derp.

Since 325ce Rome has used "the power of death" consequent to defying Divine Law to beguile and subjugate the nations making entire populations easy prey for every sort of foul and loathsome beast and bird on earth.

To be fleeced to the bone, for money, used and abused and discarded like so much trash on a regular basis.


That's why.

the issue for Constantine and Christianity was----IT WAS ALREADY THERE. I do not believe that the
early christians were as depraved as the NT makes them out to be-----Constantine did some SELECTIVE
development of the religion to suit his own agenda and to make things palatable to Roman tastes.
What does a true Roman like more than a GRISLY DEATH to cheer them up.

 

[hobelim]

the issue for Constantine and Christianity was----IT WAS ALREADY THERE. I do not believe that the
early christians were as depraved as the NT makes them out to be-----Constantine did some SELECTIVE
development of the religion to suit his own agenda and to make things palatable to Roman tastes.
What does a true Roman like more than a GRISLY DEATH to cheer them up.

Yeah,

I'm sure there have always been sadists around who get off on seeing desperate people devour one another.

 

[irosie91]

Yeah,

I'm sure there have always been sadists around who get off on seeing desperate people devour one another.

not so UNIVERSAL----the sadism of Romans and ultimately, unfortunately---the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE
was definitely and specifically CULTURAL----institutionalized socially, inculcated in its children.-----
CELEBRATED. -------passionately

 

[BreezeWood]

not so UNIVERSAL----the sadism of Romans and ultimately, unfortunately---the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE
was definitely and specifically CULTURAL----institutionalized socially, inculcated in its children.-----
CELEBRATED. -------passionately

rome had nothing to do w/ the 1st century events and the repudiation of judaism by those events and jesus who became their victim as those described above who persist to this day -

their false commandments hereditary idolatry religion of apartheid et al as is its present state remains the same as then as for their crime they will forever be indebted till justice may relieve their inner misery having persecuted an honest and sinless individual.