Headline: How red-state politics are shaving years off American lives

[sealybobo]

Been to Los Angeles lately?

Exactly. Lots of pollutors in blue states. That's because those corporations don't want to live/operate in red states. Even if there is cheaper labor. They'd have to hire uneducated goobers.

And those corporations exploit our poor. Shit hole Democraticly run states have to deal with corporations. And those corporations don't want to pay taxes or go green. And you agree with them.

Love you bro.

 

[Dante]

Obesity is one of the top killers of Americans. It causes diabetes, heart disease, and a slew of other problems. Blacks have the highest rate of obesity (over 40%), followed by Hispanics, Inuits, whites, and the lowest is among Asians and I'll guarantee you the vast majority of that group are Filipinos.

Blacks, Hispanics, and southern whites consume a shit ton of sugar and highly caloric fried foods. Asians consume almost none of that on a daily basis. There are just as many fat blacks and Hispanics in Maryland as there are in Mississippi. This is not a "red state" problem; it's a cultural problem. I spent a month down in Mexico two years ago and they have a large rate of obesity there too. I had the most challenging time trying to find energy drinks and just bottles of iced tea that weren't loaded with sugar.

This has nothing to do with "investing in public health" whatever the hell that is supposed to mean. It has to do with people being too damn lazy to take care of themselves and then blaming the government as an excuse instead of accepting personal responsibility. Poor people can eat healthy too. It's just easier to throw a box of Mac N Cheese on the stove instead of taking the time to get off your fat ass and actually cook for your family.

This guy Sietz, would be comfortable with many here @ usmb


[ Like other hard-hit Midwestern counties, Ashtabula has seen a rise in what are known as “deaths of despair” — drug overdoses, alcoholism and suicides — prompting federal and state attention in recent years. But here, as well as in most counties across the United States, those types of deaths are far outnumbered by deaths caused by cardiovascular disease, diabetes, smoking-related cancers and other health issues for residents between 35 and 64 years old, The Post found. Between 2015 and 2019, nearly five times as many Ashtabula residents in their prime died of chronic medical conditions as died of overdoses, suicide and all other external causes combined, according to The Post analysis of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s death records.

Public health officials say Ohio could save lives by adopting measures such as a higher tobacco tax or stricter seat-belt rules, initiatives supported by Gov. Mike DeWine, a Republican generally friendly to their cause.

“I told the legislature, ‘I’m going to ask you to invest in things where you’re not going to see the results during your term in office and I’m not going to see it during my term in office,’” DeWine said in an interview in the governor’s mansion.

But those proposals have repeatedly stalled in a state legislature controlled by Republicans for 27 of the past 29 years and whose leaders show little inclination to move aggressively now.

DeWine has a “nanny state” mentality, said Ohio state Rep. Bill Seitz, the state House majority floor leader and fellow Republican who has helped block tobacco tax increases amid aggressive lobbying by industry interests. The 68-year-old Seitz, who smoked for 50 years before developing kidney cancer and having a kidney removed this summer, said he’s unmoved by his own brush with the health system — even if it led him to finally kick the habit.

“I’m not going to turn into a smoke Nazi just because I used to smoke and I don’t anymore,” Seitz said. ]

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Dying Early AMERICA’S LIFE EXPECTANCY CRISIS


Whether we admit it or not, it's true that actions have consequences.



What is being investigated and written about is that any states policies, driven by their politics, are shaving years off American lives. We should pay heed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/interactive/2023/republican-politics-south-midwest-life-expectancy/

Conservatism is bad for your health.

 

[sealybobo]

Nothing. Nothing at all. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. Carry on, red states.

Red states banning abortion have made abortion a big industry in our blue states. We take women from red states too. We don't discriminate against women from red states. And they're flooding across the border faster than people from Venesuela.

 

[Dante]

Conservatism is bad for your health.

A case can be made for that premise. But I reserve that kind of claim for 'Libertarianism'

 

[TNHarley]

Refute a claim:


from OP link:

[ when Ashtabula residents died of covid at far higher rates than people in Chautauqua and Erie.

The differences around Lake Erie reflect a steady national shift in how public health decisions are being made and who’s making them.

State lawmakers gained autonomy over how to spend federal safety net dollars following Republican President Ronald Reagan’s push to empower the states in the 1980s. Those investments began to diverge sharply along red and blue lines, with conservative lawmakers often balking at public health initiatives they said cost too much or overstepped. Today, people in the South and Midwest, regions largely controlled by Republican state legislators, have increasingly higher chances of dying prematurely compared with those in the more Democratic Northeast and West, according to The Post’s analysis of death rates. ] --

go ahead. I'm a rootin and a tootin fer ya -- refute a claim.

You have yet to prove anything. You are just regurgitating assumptions.

 

[Michelle420]

The article clearly states:

"Many of those early deaths can be traced to decisions made years ago by local and state lawmakers over whether to implement cigarette taxes, invest in public health or tighten seat-belt regulations, among other policies, an examination by The Washington Post found. States’ politics — and their resulting policies — are shaving years off American lives."

and

"Americans are more likely to die before age 65 than residents of similar nations, despite living in a country that spends substantially more per person on health care than its peers."

Okay, so bad decisions that were made years ago proved they were bad decisions. You can't change the past. I wonder how many years ago these decisions were made. If it was in older years Ohio was blue.

Party hacks suck. Be an individual, not a red or blue box.

Presidential voting trends in Ohio

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

ballotpedia.org

 

[Dante]

You have yet to prove anything. You are just regurgitating assumptions.

Hmm... You cannot refute a claim made in the article.

It's okay.

About this story​

The Washington Post spent the past year examining the nation’s crisis of premature death by analyzing county-level death records from the past five decades, along with U.S. and international life expectancy data, demographic and voting pattern figures and excess death projections for the United States and other countries. Learn more about how we did our analysis here.

Credits​

Reporting by Lauren Weber, Dan Diamond and Dan Keating. Photos by Salwan Georges and Da’Shaunae Marisa. Graphics by Dylan Moriarty. Illustration by Charlotte Gomez.
Design and development by Stephanie Hays and Agnes Lee. Design editing by Christian Font. Photo editing by Sandra M. Stevenson. Graphics editing by Emily Eng.
Editing by Tracy Jan, Stephen Smith, Meghan Hoyer and Wendy Galietta. Additional editing by Allison Cho.
Additional support by Matt Clough, Kyley Schultz, Brandon Carter, Jordan Melendrez and Claudia Hernández.

The Washington Post spent the past year examining the nation’s crisis of premature death by analyzing county-level death records from the past five decades, along with U.S. and international life expectancy data, demographic and voting pattern figures, and excess death projections for the United States and other countries.

Throughout the work, the analysis concentrated on people in the prime of life — 35 to 64 years old, because U.S. deaths among people that age are vastly greater than in peer nations. We focused mainly on data before 2020 to reflect long-term trends, which were exacerbated by the coronavirus pandemic.

We worked on four separate analyses:

 

[sealybobo]

A case can be made for that premise. But I reserve that kind of claim for 'Libertarianism'

I hope in red states guys who aren't married can't get laid. Although there is a down side to that too. Those are usually the guys who go on rampages.

Young people are already having way fewer kids than ever before. It's because the economy is not encouraging to have kids. Not if first you have to go to college and pay that off. Then you have to buy an overpriced house. And save for retirement? I don't see how people can afford kids too. Not with what Republicans are payin.

 

[TNHarley]

Hmm... You cannot refute a claim made in the article.

It's okay.

About this story​

The Washington Post spent the past year examining the nation’s crisis of premature death by analyzing county-level death records from the past five decades, along with U.S. and international life expectancy data, demographic and voting pattern figures and excess death projections for the United States and other countries. Learn more about how we did our analysis here.

Credits​

Reporting by Lauren Weber, Dan Diamond and Dan Keating. Photos by Salwan Georges and Da’Shaunae Marisa. Graphics by Dylan Moriarty. Illustration by Charlotte Gomez.
Design and development by Stephanie Hays and Agnes Lee. Design editing by Christian Font. Photo editing by Sandra M. Stevenson. Graphics editing by Emily Eng.
Editing by Tracy Jan, Stephen Smith, Meghan Hoyer and Wendy Galietta. Additional editing by Allison Cho.
Additional support by Matt Clough, Kyley Schultz, Brandon Carter, Jordan Melendrez and Claudia Hernández.

The Washington Post spent the past year examining the nation’s crisis of premature death by analyzing county-level death records from the past five decades, along with U.S. and international life expectancy data, demographic and voting pattern figures, and excess death projections for the United States and other countries.

Throughout the work, the analysis concentrated on people in the prime of life — 35 to 64 years old, because U.S. deaths among people that age are vastly greater than in peer nations. We focused mainly on data before 2020 to reflect long-term trends, which were exacerbated by the coronavirus pandemic.

We worked on four separate analyses:

You cant prove anything to refute, DERP.
This is a hack piece that is based on nothing that actually matters. Besides how blue states, according to you, control the people more than red states. And we both know there is no refuting that.

 

[TNHarley]

We must consider diet.
Like how white males in the south enjoy sweet tea, fried chicken and burgers. White males in the north enjoy semen.
Semen has a low calorie count per serving. Fried chicken does not.

 

[Dante]

Hmm... You cannot refute a claim made in the article.

It's okay.

About this story​

The Washington Post spent the past year examining the nation’s crisis of premature death by analyzing county-level death records from the past five decades, along with U.S. and international life expectancy data, demographic and voting pattern figures and excess death projections for the United States and other countries. Learn more about how we did our analysis here.

Credits​

Reporting by Lauren Weber, Dan Diamond and Dan Keating. Photos by Salwan Georges and Da’Shaunae Marisa. Graphics by Dylan Moriarty. Illustration by Charlotte Gomez.
Design and development by Stephanie Hays and Agnes Lee. Design editing by Christian Font. Photo editing by Sandra M. Stevenson. Graphics editing by Emily Eng.
Editing by Tracy Jan, Stephen Smith, Meghan Hoyer and Wendy Galietta. Additional editing by Allison Cho.
Additional support by Matt Clough, Kyley Schultz, Brandon Carter, Jordan Melendrez and Claudia Hernández.

You cant prove anything to refute, DERP.
This is a hack piece that is based on nothing that actually matters. Besides how blue states, according to you, control the people more than red states. And we both know there is no refuting that.

Huh?

you lose

 

[Dante]

You cant prove anything to refute, DERP.
This is a hack piece that is based on nothing that actually matters. Besides how blue states, according to you, control the people more than red states. And we both know there is no refuting that.

link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2023/10/03/life-expectancy-investigation-analysis-methodology/



We worked on four separate analyses:

• The Post assembled county-level death rates over time from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s National Center for Health Statistics. The Post extracted county-level death rates in five-year periods spanning 1979-1983 through 2015-2019 to get a 40-year view of trends.
  • Reporters analyzed this data by age group, race, region, state and urban/rural classification. Urban classification and demographic profiles have changed over the years, and the data appropriate for any given time was used throughout the analysis.
  • Reporters used median household income and family poverty rates at the county level from the decennial censuses through 2000 and the American Community Survey after that to examine income for each entire county and by race and ethnicity. The Post divided counties into deciles of income in each five-year period. Age-adjusted death rates and median income levels were calculated for each decile in each period.
  • Reporters used presidential election results from 1980 to 2020 to look at the political leaning of each county, comparing that against death rates.
  • To compare death rates between countries during the pandemic, The Post used the World Health Organization’s estimate of excess deaths, modeled and adjusted for wars and other events. For each country, The Post used the midpoints of WHO’s combined 2020 and 2021 population-weighted excess death rate estimates.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Before I click on your link I want to say that I just saw a study that says uneducated white males are dying at an alarming rate. Too young. And it has to do with economic despair. They're turning to drugs, fentynol, alchohol, crime, suicide, early death. This is particularly white uneducated men. No other group.

I hope these white uneducated men aren't blaming us liberals, or blacks, or immigrants. They need to join a union. Or form a union. And they should probably stop blaming blacks in ghettos for their woes. Now uneducated white men are starting to see what life is like without economic opportunities. Now maybe white uneducated men should have empathy to their brown brothers. But instead they'll blame them for it.

They don't want obamacare, unions, social security, medicare, even if it's shaving years off their lives. That's the cost of freedom.

Don't forget gun violence is shaving years off lots of people's lives. And it's usually uneducated white men doing that too.

.




"I just saw a study" has as much validity as "I heard it from my next door neighbor's podiatrist's mailman's cousin".

But no, we no longer have a glimmer of hope that you will ever grasp the concept of "PROOF".




.

 

[TNHarley]

link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2023/10/03/life-expectancy-investigation-analysis-methodology/



We worked on four separate analyses:

• The Post assembled county-level death rates over time from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s National Center for Health Statistics. The Post extracted county-level death rates in five-year periods spanning 1979-1983 through 2015-2019 to get a 40-year view of trends.
  • Reporters analyzed this data by age group, race, region, state and urban/rural classification. Urban classification and demographic profiles have changed over the years, and the data appropriate for any given time was used throughout the analysis.
  • Reporters used median household income and family poverty rates at the county level from the decennial censuses through 2000 and the American Community Survey after that to examine income for each entire county and by race and ethnicity. The Post divided counties into deciles of income in each five-year period. Age-adjusted death rates and median income levels were calculated for each decile in each period.
  • Reporters used presidential election results from 1980 to 2020 to look at the political leaning of each county, comparing that against death rates.
  • To compare death rates between countries during the pandemic, The Post used the World Health Organization’s estimate of excess deaths, modeled and adjusted for wars and other events. For each country, The Post used the midpoints of WHO’s combined 2020 and 2021 population-weighted excess death rate estimates.

And thats fine. And then they apply assumptions to the results. Apparently.
Im not sure because I cant read that link.
You probably posted a pay to read link on purpose. Just to "own the cons"

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

States have widely varying demographics.
So, comparing states is very problematic.

 

[Dante]

And thats fine. And then they apply assumptions to the results. Apparently.
Im not sure because I cant read that link.
You probably posted a pay to read link on purpose. Just to "own the cons"

really?

https://archive.ph/w9xnS

 

[Dante]

You probably posted a pay to read link on purpose. Just to "own the cons"

Dante doesn't play those Trollish Lame Games

 

[Dante]

States have widely varying demographics.
So, comparing states is very problematic.

What nonsense are you spouting now? The study was done comparing the health in states, based on policies. Again, you make comments that make absolutely no sense here.

more than a few posts Dante put up come straight from the article. If your read those posts you'd know -- or maybe not -- never mind.

https://archive.ph/w9xnS

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

What nonsense are you spouting now? The study was done comparing the health in states, based on policies. Again, you make comments that make absolutely no sense here.

more than a few posts Dante put up come straight from the article. If your read those posts you'd know -- or maybe not -- never mind.

https://archive.ph/w9xnS

well left wingers are not very bright people, so they are unable to understand basic statistics