Has Trump ever taken responsibility?

[Mac1958]

They have sold their soul, 100%, to this guy. There is zero (0) space between them now. They're all one.

As the absolutely insane and hypocritical nature of the hatred against him amps ever upward, so does the defense of him. You cannot really consider one without considering the other.

I have long known you to be rather more independent than this, Mac. Your "they're all one" comment can just as easily be applied to those you are agreeing with, here.

I've never seen anything like this. Not the man, not the devotion. That's just me.

Hilarious!
How many 10s of millions were gushing over Obama day and night...
You render yourself as a moron with this content you post.

Well, not all of us can be as smart and obedient as Trumpsters 'n stuff.

No, no, my friend...
As Rachel Maddow and Laurence O’Donnel, et al preached for 8 years on MSNBC, there is not one person on planet Earth nearly as brilliant as Barack Obama.

They did? When?

I realize you folks aren't worried about intellectual honesty - look at your adored role model - so I just wanted to check.

 

[Coyote]

Not credit for - he does that all the time, but RESPONSIBILITY for something?

Ronald Reagan:
Ronald Reagan’s acceptance of responsibility in the Iran-Contra Affair in April 1987 when Trump was about to turn 40. Reagan took to the airwaves and revealed his role in the deal that used Nicaragua as the conduit for U.S. arms that were traded for Iranian-held hostages, something Reagan previously had denied. “There are reasons why it happened, but no excuses,” Reagan said. “It was a mistake. I undertook the original Iran initiative in order to develop relations with those who might assume leadership in a post-Khomeini government.” As with Kennedy, the public who genuinely liked Reagan accepted his apology and a potential impeachment was averted. His popularity also returned, scoring him a 64% approval by the time he left office two years later.

John F Kennedy:
John Kennedy’s acceptance of his role in the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion in April 1961 when Donald was nearly 15. The CIA-run operation, begun under the Eisenhower Administration, resulted in the capture of over 1,200 insurgents and ultimately the strengthening of the nascent Castro regime. Kennedy blamed himself for approving the operation and in public held himself solely accountable. "There's an old saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan ... Further statements, detailed discussions, are not to conceal responsibility because I'm the responsible officer of the Government.” The public liked what they saw from the young president and gave him a pass. Later Kennedy joked that if he had known how his poll numbers would have soared – into the 80s – he might have called for the invasion to occur sooner.

Barak Obama:
President Obama, by his own admission, failed badly during the rollout of Obamacare in fall 2013, more grievously due to the failures of HealthCare.gov. But he took responsibility and fixed it, launching an unprecedented number of outside programmers and tech specialists to overhaul the site and get it in working order. "I take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed ASAP,” Obama said at the time. And so he did.

Here are a few other things Obama took responsibility for while in office:

• The failed Tom Daschle and Bill Richardson Cabinet nominations in 2009
• The BP oil spill in 2010
• Democrats’ loss of the House of Representatives in 2010
• The attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012
• The VA scandal in 2014
• Democratic losses in the 2014 midterms
• The death of two hostages in an operation against al-Qaeda in 2015
• The Syrian government’s atrocities in Aleppo in 2016

Donald Trump:
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Can anyone provide some examples?

Trump took responsibility of a thriving economy, but we repeatedly informed it was Obama.s success.

He took credit for it. Big difference. He always does for good things (which is a presidents prerogative).

 

[progressive hunter]

We are in the middle of the biggest crisis our nation has faced in decades...

And yet the only ones spouting conspiracy theories about coronavirus only being the 'flu' and a 'hoax' to the person - TO THE PERSON - are Trump supporters. Every single one of them. Why do you think that is? A coincidence? Blind luck? Or maybe, just maybe, you have an incompetent leader, who even when found to be patently, provably lying, calls "Fake News!". What sort of responsible, normal politician (hell human being) fosters that kind of reaction? Every piece of venom, hatred and negative statement against Trump has been richly earned and deserved. And I make no apology for it. He is scum.

One of the things really really disturbs me about Trump is the degree to which he believes and disseminates conspiracy theories, including some that are dangerously malicious. When it comes from the President it carries far more weight and the presumption of credibility.

and yet you fail to name even one of them,,,

 

[Coyote]

Not credit for - he does that all the time, but RESPONSIBILITY for something?

Ronald Reagan:
Ronald Reagan’s acceptance of responsibility in the Iran-Contra Affair in April 1987 when Trump was about to turn 40. Reagan took to the airwaves and revealed his role in the deal that used Nicaragua as the conduit for U.S. arms that were traded for Iranian-held hostages, something Reagan previously had denied. “There are reasons why it happened, but no excuses,” Reagan said. “It was a mistake. I undertook the original Iran initiative in order to develop relations with those who might assume leadership in a post-Khomeini government.” As with Kennedy, the public who genuinely liked Reagan accepted his apology and a potential impeachment was averted. His popularity also returned, scoring him a 64% approval by the time he left office two years later.

John F Kennedy:
John Kennedy’s acceptance of his role in the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion in April 1961 when Donald was nearly 15. The CIA-run operation, begun under the Eisenhower Administration, resulted in the capture of over 1,200 insurgents and ultimately the strengthening of the nascent Castro regime. Kennedy blamed himself for approving the operation and in public held himself solely accountable. "There's an old saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan ... Further statements, detailed discussions, are not to conceal responsibility because I'm the responsible officer of the Government.” The public liked what they saw from the young president and gave him a pass. Later Kennedy joked that if he had known how his poll numbers would have soared – into the 80s – he might have called for the invasion to occur sooner.

Barak Obama:
President Obama, by his own admission, failed badly during the rollout of Obamacare in fall 2013, more grievously due to the failures of HealthCare.gov. But he took responsibility and fixed it, launching an unprecedented number of outside programmers and tech specialists to overhaul the site and get it in working order. "I take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed ASAP,” Obama said at the time. And so he did.

Here are a few other things Obama took responsibility for while in office:

• The failed Tom Daschle and Bill Richardson Cabinet nominations in 2009
• The BP oil spill in 2010
• Democrats’ loss of the House of Representatives in 2010
• The attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012
• The VA scandal in 2014
• Democratic losses in the 2014 midterms
• The death of two hostages in an operation against al-Qaeda in 2015
• The Syrian government’s atrocities in Aleppo in 2016

Donald Trump:
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Can anyone provide some examples?

They have sold their soul, 100%, to this guy. There is zero (0) space between them now. They're all one.

It's not Trump, it's pushback against the left. It's tired of the radical CHANGE EVERYTHINGthe left was doing.

IE... Just this one flag removed. All we want. That set off domino's of NOW CHANGE THIS.

it's getting into arguments on where people pee
It's globalization vs nationalism.


People seem to focus on Trump maybe because they are incapable of seeing the bigger picture.

Part of a bigger picture is a president who is able to take responsibility for what happens under his watch. For policy failures, especially those that have led to real harm to people. Part of taking responsibility is also growing as a leader. Obama is one example of a president who initially blamed others, but eventually took responsibility for his mistakes and changed throughout his presidency. He is certainly not unique in that, just conveniently recent. Nor is Trump unique in not taking responsinility. But here is where I think he is unique. Unless there are some examples posted here I have not yet read, Trump has never taken responsibility for bad policy decisions or poorly implemented policies.

Two more exames;
The so-called Muslim ban, who's rollout caught airports, security people and travelers flat footed and left thousands of people stranded around the world and in airports.

Another example, the 100% family seperation policy that led to thousands of children separated from parents, parents who were promised reunion and deportation together if they gave up seeking asylum only to find they were deported and the kids left behind. Now we have children who's parents can not be found and parents who can not find their children. The system was implemented with little forewarning or preparation for shelter and tracking and has been a disaster.

Those two examples are not on the merits of the policies themselves but on the way they were implemented.

Accepting responsibility means learning from mistakes and implies a capacity for introspection and growth that I am not seeing in Trump.

and all that is fine. in a perfect world.

we are so far from it nothing makes sense. we impeach over phone calls with made up evidence. we take a potential SCOTUS to trial for 30 year old "Crimes" that were never proven to be a crime.

my commentary is more outsider looking in not taking a side to bolster against the other. both sides are so riddled with flaws i simply do not understand how either side has a "blind faith" in 1 side over the other.

both sides have a whole lot of positive stuff to offer. they do. we all do.

trump doesn't have shit to do with that no matter how people try to make him OR obama the poster child for everything wrong in the world today.

the problem is. the problem is we repeat news we want to hear and tear into anyone who may say "wait a minute". trump? obama? nope. the problem is we react and don't listen. obama? trump? this is human nature. been saying 90% of the people only think 10% of the time since 1986. again nothing new. but we project everything wrong onto a few for the most part because not many can, or want to, separate emotionally from who we are. we *do* react 99% of the time.

but what gets us out of defense mode and simply into thinking?

i don't think we've found that yet because trump, as with obama, has become the whipping post for the other sides extreme frustrations. as long as we do that, this is the world we get from it.

Good points (though I agree with you on Kavanaugh, I don’t on the substance of the impeachment).

Whipping boys...yes, to a degree, but I think focusing on that distracts from thinking.

If I were to simplify it to it’s lowest common denominators it is these:

1. We no longer share a common set of facts or even agree on what a fact is.

2. Our values and ethics have been completely subsumed by our partisanship. We are willing to elect leaders who will do almost anything to advance an agenda and we are willing to accept almost anything.

3. We are no longer willing to hold them accountable as long as they are advancing our partisan agendas.

4. This is unique to Trump, and the Trump era, but I fear polarized Democrats will follow the precedent: there is no longer any respect for a win win solution. There must be a winner, and there must be a loser, even if it results in a scorched earth policy. And the loser can not just be seen to lose, he must be obliterated.

These are all things that make it increasingly hard to find common ground and increasingly easy to believe the lies that flow our chosen social media feeds.

I can understand the defensiveness of one’s chosen candidate in the face of constant and sometimes fraudulent attack...you want to defend him against what seems unfair. Obama was the first President I voted for that I both genuinely liked and who held many of my same positions. Time has given me the distance to reflect on his presidency. While overall, I rate him as extremely good, there are things not so good such as the drone attacks on sovereign nations, or his attempts to curtail freedom of the press.

Your point about constantly being on the defense, and reacting from that is because we then circle the wagons and defend anything and everything is right on point (mea culpa).

A fact is an in-context video or something that is consistent over time.

Not anymore...https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jan/13/what-are-deepfakes-and-how-can-you-spot-them

 

[Coyote]

We are in the middle of the biggest crisis our nation has faced in decades...

And yet the only ones spouting conspiracy theories about coronavirus only being the 'flu' and a 'hoax' to the person - TO THE PERSON - are Trump supporters. Every single one of them. Why do you think that is? A coincidence? Blind luck? Or maybe, just maybe, you have an incompetent leader, who even when found to be patently, provably lying, calls "Fake News!". What sort of responsible, normal politician (hell human being) fosters that kind of reaction? Every piece of venom, hatred and negative statement against Trump has been richly earned and deserved. And I make no apology for it. He is scum.

One of the things really really disturbs me about Trump is the degree to which he believes and disseminates conspiracy theories, including some that are dangerously malicious. When it comes from the President it carries far more weight and the presumption of credibility.

and yet you fail to name even one of them,,,

You haven’t asked me to.

 

[Indeependent]

They have sold their soul, 100%, to this guy. There is zero (0) space between them now. They're all one.

As the absolutely insane and hypocritical nature of the hatred against him amps ever upward, so does the defense of him. You cannot really consider one without considering the other.

I have long known you to be rather more independent than this, Mac. Your "they're all one" comment can just as easily be applied to those you are agreeing with, here.

I've never seen anything like this. Not the man, not the devotion. That's just me.

Hilarious!
How many 10s of millions were gushing over Obama day and night...
You render yourself as a moron with this content you post.

Well, not all of us can be as smart and obedient as Trumpsters 'n stuff.

No, no, my friend...
As Rachel Maddow and Laurence O’Donnel, et al preached for 8 years on MSNBC, there is not one person on planet Earth nearly as brilliant as Barack Obama.

They did? When?

I realize you folks aren't worried about intellectual honesty - look at your adored role model - so I just wanted to check.

I'm actually happy that you didn't watch MSNBC during Obama's entire 8 years.
I did because I hated, and still hate, GW.
But thanks for admitting that you didn't or that you filter out, perhaps due to emotional and mental issues, what is inconvenient to recall.
Not to mention Randi Rhodes.

 

[progressive hunter]

We are in the middle of the biggest crisis our nation has faced in decades...

And yet the only ones spouting conspiracy theories about coronavirus only being the 'flu' and a 'hoax' to the person - TO THE PERSON - are Trump supporters. Every single one of them. Why do you think that is? A coincidence? Blind luck? Or maybe, just maybe, you have an incompetent leader, who even when found to be patently, provably lying, calls "Fake News!". What sort of responsible, normal politician (hell human being) fosters that kind of reaction? Every piece of venom, hatred and negative statement against Trump has been richly earned and deserved. And I make no apology for it. He is scum.

One of the things really really disturbs me about Trump is the degree to which he believes and disseminates conspiracy theories, including some that are dangerously malicious. When it comes from the President it carries far more weight and the presumption of credibility.

and yet you fail to name even one of them,,,

You haven’t asked me to.

i just did,,,

 

[Indeependent]

Not credit for - he does that all the time, but RESPONSIBILITY for something?

Ronald Reagan:
Ronald Reagan’s acceptance of responsibility in the Iran-Contra Affair in April 1987 when Trump was about to turn 40. Reagan took to the airwaves and revealed his role in the deal that used Nicaragua as the conduit for U.S. arms that were traded for Iranian-held hostages, something Reagan previously had denied. “There are reasons why it happened, but no excuses,” Reagan said. “It was a mistake. I undertook the original Iran initiative in order to develop relations with those who might assume leadership in a post-Khomeini government.” As with Kennedy, the public who genuinely liked Reagan accepted his apology and a potential impeachment was averted. His popularity also returned, scoring him a 64% approval by the time he left office two years later.

John F Kennedy:
John Kennedy’s acceptance of his role in the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion in April 1961 when Donald was nearly 15. The CIA-run operation, begun under the Eisenhower Administration, resulted in the capture of over 1,200 insurgents and ultimately the strengthening of the nascent Castro regime. Kennedy blamed himself for approving the operation and in public held himself solely accountable. "There's an old saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan ... Further statements, detailed discussions, are not to conceal responsibility because I'm the responsible officer of the Government.” The public liked what they saw from the young president and gave him a pass. Later Kennedy joked that if he had known how his poll numbers would have soared – into the 80s – he might have called for the invasion to occur sooner.

Barak Obama:
President Obama, by his own admission, failed badly during the rollout of Obamacare in fall 2013, more grievously due to the failures of HealthCare.gov. But he took responsibility and fixed it, launching an unprecedented number of outside programmers and tech specialists to overhaul the site and get it in working order. "I take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed ASAP,” Obama said at the time. And so he did.

Here are a few other things Obama took responsibility for while in office:

• The failed Tom Daschle and Bill Richardson Cabinet nominations in 2009
• The BP oil spill in 2010
• Democrats’ loss of the House of Representatives in 2010
• The attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012
• The VA scandal in 2014
• Democratic losses in the 2014 midterms
• The death of two hostages in an operation against al-Qaeda in 2015
• The Syrian government’s atrocities in Aleppo in 2016

Donald Trump:
..........................................
..........................................
..........................................
..........................................



Can anyone provide some examples?

They have sold their soul, 100%, to this guy. There is zero (0) space between them now. They're all one.

It's not Trump, it's pushback against the left. It's tired of the radical CHANGE EVERYTHINGthe left was doing.

IE... Just this one flag removed. All we want. That set off domino's of NOW CHANGE THIS.

it's getting into arguments on where people pee
It's globalization vs nationalism.


People seem to focus on Trump maybe because they are incapable of seeing the bigger picture.

Part of a bigger picture is a president who is able to take responsibility for what happens under his watch. For policy failures, especially those that have led to real harm to people. Part of taking responsibility is also growing as a leader. Obama is one example of a president who initially blamed others, but eventually took responsibility for his mistakes and changed throughout his presidency. He is certainly not unique in that, just conveniently recent. Nor is Trump unique in not taking responsinility. But here is where I think he is unique. Unless there are some examples posted here I have not yet read, Trump has never taken responsibility for bad policy decisions or poorly implemented policies.

Two more exames;
The so-called Muslim ban, who's rollout caught airports, security people and travelers flat footed and left thousands of people stranded around the world and in airports.

Another example, the 100% family seperation policy that led to thousands of children separated from parents, parents who were promised reunion and deportation together if they gave up seeking asylum only to find they were deported and the kids left behind. Now we have children who's parents can not be found and parents who can not find their children. The system was implemented with little forewarning or preparation for shelter and tracking and has been a disaster.

Those two examples are not on the merits of the policies themselves but on the way they were implemented.

Accepting responsibility means learning from mistakes and implies a capacity for introspection and growth that I am not seeing in Trump.

and all that is fine. in a perfect world.

we are so far from it nothing makes sense. we impeach over phone calls with made up evidence. we take a potential SCOTUS to trial for 30 year old "Crimes" that were never proven to be a crime.

my commentary is more outsider looking in not taking a side to bolster against the other. both sides are so riddled with flaws i simply do not understand how either side has a "blind faith" in 1 side over the other.

both sides have a whole lot of positive stuff to offer. they do. we all do.

trump doesn't have shit to do with that no matter how people try to make him OR obama the poster child for everything wrong in the world today.

the problem is. the problem is we repeat news we want to hear and tear into anyone who may say "wait a minute". trump? obama? nope. the problem is we react and don't listen. obama? trump? this is human nature. been saying 90% of the people only think 10% of the time since 1986. again nothing new. but we project everything wrong onto a few for the most part because not many can, or want to, separate emotionally from who we are. we *do* react 99% of the time.

but what gets us out of defense mode and simply into thinking?

i don't think we've found that yet because trump, as with obama, has become the whipping post for the other sides extreme frustrations. as long as we do that, this is the world we get from it.

Good points (though I agree with you on Kavanaugh, I don’t on the substance of the impeachment).

Whipping boys...yes, to a degree, but I think focusing on that distracts from thinking.

If I were to simplify it to it’s lowest common denominators it is these:

1. We no longer share a common set of facts or even agree on what a fact is.

2. Our values and ethics have been completely subsumed by our partisanship. We are willing to elect leaders who will do almost anything to advance an agenda and we are willing to accept almost anything.

3. We are no longer willing to hold them accountable as long as they are advancing our partisan agendas.

4. This is unique to Trump, and the Trump era, but I fear polarized Democrats will follow the precedent: there is no longer any respect for a win win solution. There must be a winner, and there must be a loser, even if it results in a scorched earth policy. And the loser can not just be seen to lose, he must be obliterated.

These are all things that make it increasingly hard to find common ground and increasingly easy to believe the lies that flow our chosen social media feeds.

I can understand the defensiveness of one’s chosen candidate in the face of constant and sometimes fraudulent attack...you want to defend him against what seems unfair. Obama was the first President I voted for that I both genuinely liked and who held many of my same positions. Time has given me the distance to reflect on his presidency. While overall, I rate him as extremely good, there are things not so good such as the drone attacks on sovereign nations, or his attempts to curtail freedom of the press.

Your point about constantly being on the defense, and reacting from that is because we then circle the wagons and defend anything and everything is right on point (mea culpa).

A fact is an in-context video or something that is consistent over time.

Not anymore...https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jan/13/what-are-deepfakes-and-how-can-you-spot-them

I disregard Slave Labor scumbags on both sides of the aisle.

 

[Mac1958]

They have sold their soul, 100%, to this guy. There is zero (0) space between them now. They're all one.

As the absolutely insane and hypocritical nature of the hatred against him amps ever upward, so does the defense of him. You cannot really consider one without considering the other.

I have long known you to be rather more independent than this, Mac. Your "they're all one" comment can just as easily be applied to those you are agreeing with, here.

I've never seen anything like this. Not the man, not the devotion. That's just me.

Hilarious!
How many 10s of millions were gushing over Obama day and night...
You render yourself as a moron with this content you post.

Well, not all of us can be as smart and obedient as Trumpsters 'n stuff.

No, no, my friend...
As Rachel Maddow and Laurence O’Donnel, et al preached for 8 years on MSNBC, there is not one person on planet Earth nearly as brilliant as Barack Obama.

They did? When?

I realize you folks aren't worried about intellectual honesty - look at your adored role model - so I just wanted to check.

I'm actually happy that you didn't watch MSNBC during Obama's entire 8 years.
I did because I hated, and still hate, GW.
But thanks for admitting that you didn't or that you filter out, perhaps due to emotional and mental issues, what is inconvenient to recall.
Not to mention Randi Rhodes.

I don't know or care what you're taking about, but Deep State MAGA dittos, dude.

 

[MaryL]

Not credit for - he does that all the time, but RESPONSIBILITY for something?

Ronald Reagan:
Ronald Reagan’s acceptance of responsibility in the Iran-Contra Affair in April 1987 when Trump was about to turn 40. Reagan took to the airwaves and revealed his role in the deal that used Nicaragua as the conduit for U.S. arms that were traded for Iranian-held hostages, something Reagan previously had denied. “There are reasons why it happened, but no excuses,” Reagan said. “It was a mistake. I undertook the original Iran initiative in order to develop relations with those who might assume leadership in a post-Khomeini government.” As with Kennedy, the public who genuinely liked Reagan accepted his apology and a potential impeachment was averted. His popularity also returned, scoring him a 64% approval by the time he left office two years later.

John F Kennedy:
John Kennedy’s acceptance of his role in the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion in April 1961 when Donald was nearly 15. The CIA-run operation, begun under the Eisenhower Administration, resulted in the capture of over 1,200 insurgents and ultimately the strengthening of the nascent Castro regime. Kennedy blamed himself for approving the operation and in public held himself solely accountable. "There's an old saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan ... Further statements, detailed discussions, are not to conceal responsibility because I'm the responsible officer of the Government.” The public liked what they saw from the young president and gave him a pass. Later Kennedy joked that if he had known how his poll numbers would have soared – into the 80s – he might have called for the invasion to occur sooner.

Barak Obama:
President Obama, by his own admission, failed badly during the rollout of Obamacare in fall 2013, more grievously due to the failures of HealthCare.gov. But he took responsibility and fixed it, launching an unprecedented number of outside programmers and tech specialists to overhaul the site and get it in working order. "I take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed ASAP,” Obama said at the time. And so he did.

Here are a few other things Obama took responsibility for while in office:

• The failed Tom Daschle and Bill Richardson Cabinet nominations in 2009
• The BP oil spill in 2010
• Democrats’ loss of the House of Representatives in 2010
• The attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012
• The VA scandal in 2014
• Democratic losses in the 2014 midterms
• The death of two hostages in an operation against al-Qaeda in 2015
• The Syrian government’s atrocities in Aleppo in 2016

Donald Trump:
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Can anyone provide some examples?

And? After say, 1952 and Harry Truman or Eisenhower , these politicians ALWAYS pass the buck. It's more Democrat liberal thing, as well. Its time to hold politicians accountable for their actions. Take them to court, examine their connections and their records, put them under a spotlight. So, they want to create a precedent for, say sanctuary for illegal aliens (no working class American asked for this), Find out WHY, WHO funded It and scrutinize every detail and we see where it leads. Because this is STILL a Democracy.

 

[lantern2814]

hes up there taking responsibility for the whole country you stupid twit,,,

The fuck he is you twat..show us. C'mon mouthpiece..show us or STFU

He is out there every day dealing with the asshole “reporters”. Now YOU can STFU.

 

[Indeependent]

They have sold their soul, 100%, to this guy. There is zero (0) space between them now. They're all one.

As the absolutely insane and hypocritical nature of the hatred against him amps ever upward, so does the defense of him. You cannot really consider one without considering the other.

I have long known you to be rather more independent than this, Mac. Your "they're all one" comment can just as easily be applied to those you are agreeing with, here.

I've never seen anything like this. Not the man, not the devotion. That's just me.

Hilarious!
How many 10s of millions were gushing over Obama day and night...
You render yourself as a moron with this content you post.

Well, not all of us can be as smart and obedient as Trumpsters 'n stuff.

No, no, my friend...
As Rachel Maddow and Laurence O’Donnel, et al preached for 8 years on MSNBC, there is not one person on planet Earth nearly as brilliant as Barack Obama.

They did? When?

I realize you folks aren't worried about intellectual honesty - look at your adored role model - so I just wanted to check.

I'm actually happy that you didn't watch MSNBC during Obama's entire 8 years.
I did because I hated, and still hate, GW.
But thanks for admitting that you didn't or that you filter out, perhaps due to emotional and mental issues, what is inconvenient to recall.
Not to mention Randi Rhodes.

I don't know or care what you're taking about, but Deep State MAGA dittos, dude.

Translation...
You know you're full of shit.
Go on YouTube and search for Maddow or anyone on MSNBC during Obama's presidency and you will see them kissing O's ass 24/7.

 

[Mac1958]

They have sold their soul, 100%, to this guy. There is zero (0) space between them now. They're all one.

As the absolutely insane and hypocritical nature of the hatred against him amps ever upward, so does the defense of him. You cannot really consider one without considering the other.

I have long known you to be rather more independent than this, Mac. Your "they're all one" comment can just as easily be applied to those you are agreeing with, here.

I've never seen anything like this. Not the man, not the devotion. That's just me.

Hilarious!
How many 10s of millions were gushing over Obama day and night...
You render yourself as a moron with this content you post.

Well, not all of us can be as smart and obedient as Trumpsters 'n stuff.

No, no, my friend...
As Rachel Maddow and Laurence O’Donnel, et al preached for 8 years on MSNBC, there is not one person on planet Earth nearly as brilliant as Barack Obama.

They did? When?

I realize you folks aren't worried about intellectual honesty - look at your adored role model - so I just wanted to check.

I'm actually happy that you didn't watch MSNBC during Obama's entire 8 years.
I did because I hated, and still hate, GW.
But thanks for admitting that you didn't or that you filter out, perhaps due to emotional and mental issues, what is inconvenient to recall.
Not to mention Randi Rhodes.

I don't know or care what you're taking about, but Deep State MAGA dittos, dude.

Translation...
You know you're full of shit.
Go on YouTube and search for Maddow or anyone on MSNBC during Obama's presidency and you will see them kissing O's ass 24/7.

Yes, whenever a nutter begins a sentence with "translation", here comes the bullshit.

You're boring. I'm not interested.

 

[Indeependent]

They have sold their soul, 100%, to this guy. There is zero (0) space between them now. They're all one.

As the absolutely insane and hypocritical nature of the hatred against him amps ever upward, so does the defense of him. You cannot really consider one without considering the other.

I have long known you to be rather more independent than this, Mac. Your "they're all one" comment can just as easily be applied to those you are agreeing with, here.

I've never seen anything like this. Not the man, not the devotion. That's just me.

Hilarious!
How many 10s of millions were gushing over Obama day and night...
You render yourself as a moron with this content you post.

Well, not all of us can be as smart and obedient as Trumpsters 'n stuff.

No, no, my friend...
As Rachel Maddow and Laurence O’Donnel, et al preached for 8 years on MSNBC, there is not one person on planet Earth nearly as brilliant as Barack Obama.

They did? When?

I realize you folks aren't worried about intellectual honesty - look at your adored role model - so I just wanted to check.

I'm actually happy that you didn't watch MSNBC during Obama's entire 8 years.
I did because I hated, and still hate, GW.
But thanks for admitting that you didn't or that you filter out, perhaps due to emotional and mental issues, what is inconvenient to recall.
Not to mention Randi Rhodes.

I don't know or care what you're taking about, but Deep State MAGA dittos, dude.

Translation...
You know you're full of shit.
Go on YouTube and search for Maddow or anyone on MSNBC during Obama's presidency and you will see them kissing O's ass 24/7.

Yes, whenever a nutter begins a sentence with "translation", here comes the bullshit.

You're boring. I'm not interested.

You're boring...24/7 TDS.
And a liar to boot.
Go ahead and Ignore me; almost everybody here knows 99% of your posts are bullshit.

 

[whitehall]

You almost gotta laugh that a hundred years of democrat politicians have counted on full support from the mainstream media to avoid "taking credit" for mistakes. How many people remember JFK's blunder in the Bay of Pigs? Obama bragged about the mess he created in Obamacare. Democrats tried to impeach Reagan about protecting American interests in Central America. Why not ask NY Governor Cuomo why he threatened New Yorkers with the stigma of racism if they didn't renounce their own Country and pledge allegiance to the Chinese Republic?

 

[lantern2814]

Not credit for - he does that all the time, but RESPONSIBILITY for something?

Ronald Reagan:
Ronald Reagan’s acceptance of responsibility in the Iran-Contra Affair in April 1987 when Trump was about to turn 40. Reagan took to the airwaves and revealed his role in the deal that used Nicaragua as the conduit for U.S. arms that were traded for Iranian-held hostages, something Reagan previously had denied. “There are reasons why it happened, but no excuses,” Reagan said. “It was a mistake. I undertook the original Iran initiative in order to develop relations with those who might assume leadership in a post-Khomeini government.” As with Kennedy, the public who genuinely liked Reagan accepted his apology and a potential impeachment was averted. His popularity also returned, scoring him a 64% approval by the time he left office two years later.

John F Kennedy:
John Kennedy’s acceptance of his role in the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion in April 1961 when Donald was nearly 15. The CIA-run operation, begun under the Eisenhower Administration, resulted in the capture of over 1,200 insurgents and ultimately the strengthening of the nascent Castro regime. Kennedy blamed himself for approving the operation and in public held himself solely accountable. "There's an old saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan ... Further statements, detailed discussions, are not to conceal responsibility because I'm the responsible officer of the Government.” The public liked what they saw from the young president and gave him a pass. Later Kennedy joked that if he had known how his poll numbers would have soared – into the 80s – he might have called for the invasion to occur sooner.

Barak Obama:
President Obama, by his own admission, failed badly during the rollout of Obamacare in fall 2013, more grievously due to the failures of HealthCare.gov. But he took responsibility and fixed it, launching an unprecedented number of outside programmers and tech specialists to overhaul the site and get it in working order. "I take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed ASAP,” Obama said at the time. And so he did.

Here are a few other things Obama took responsibility for while in office:

• The failed Tom Daschle and Bill Richardson Cabinet nominations in 2009
• The BP oil spill in 2010
• Democrats’ loss of the House of Representatives in 2010
• The attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012
• The VA scandal in 2014
• Democratic losses in the 2014 midterms
• The death of two hostages in an operation against al-Qaeda in 2015
• The Syrian government’s atrocities in Aleppo in 2016

Donald Trump:
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Can anyone provide some examples?

When he raised his right hand with his left hand on the Bible on January 20, 2017, he accepted responsibility, for better or for worse. So far he's done a great job.

Has Trump accepted responsibility for anything since then?

yeah pretty much everything including things that are not his responsibility,,,

Then I am sure you can provide some examples for us, yes?

you should try paying attention instead of ranting like some crazy bitch suffering from TDS,,,

hes up there everyday all day being responsible for the country,,,

So you still can’t provide an example of him taking personal responsibility? He is up there doing his job. Has he taken responsibility for the lack of tests? Not restocking?

Amazing how you continue to ignorantly put Obozo’s failures onto Trump. Don’t you even try to cry about mentioning the incompetent Obozo. It’s called a baseline comparison. Though I doubt anybody expects any leftist to understand that......

 

[Rambunctious]

Take responsibility for what?....he is doing a fine job under extreme circumstances....just because you don't like the man does not mean he has failed at anything....you have to tell us what you think he failed at.....

 

[Indeependent]

You almost gotta laugh that a hundred years of democrat politicians have counted on full support from the mainstream media to avoid "taking credit" for mistakes. How many people remember JFK's blunder in the Bay of Pigs? Obama bragged about the mess he created in Obamacare. Democrats tried to impeach Reagan about protecting American interests in Central America. Why not ask NY Governor Cuomo why he threatened New Yorkers with the stigma of racism if they didn't renounce their own Country and pledge allegiance to the Chinese Republic?

And FoxNews wasn't complete bullshit during GW?

 

[Olde Europe]

One of the things really really disturbs me about Trump is the degree to which he believes and disseminates conspiracy theories, including some that are dangerously malicious. When it comes from the President it carries far more weight and the presumption of credibility.

That's just a special case of "alternate facts", and it is a troubling one, indeed. And yes, abandoning facts has consequences, ranging from the rather scurrilous ("crowd size") to invitations to murder ("enemy of the people"), and this administration excels at these. As you previously noted:

"1. We no longer share a common set of facts or even agree on what a fact is."

Of course, if one side gleefully follows the Dear Leader into the fact-free continent of UpIsDownistan, there are no shared sets of facts to be had, and also no responsibility - which would have to be related to facts, such as performed acts, and ensuing consequences. Then kids at the border become an "invasion", and a botched disaster response killing a projected 100,000 is the same as "millions of lives saved" (compared to doing nothing at all), and there goes responsibility as well. Rightly so, says Trump's "base". So, if I may, let's not conceal why there no longer is a common set of facts, and no longer a shared respect for science, for that matter, our most promising way to establish what a fact is, and what is not.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Trump says 'Democrats now own the shutdown' just 10 days after declaring he was 'proud to shut down the government'

President Donald Trump now wants to blame Democrats for the looming shutdown, just 10 days after declaring he was "proud to shut down the government."

www.businessinsider.com