Has Trump ever taken responsibility?

[progressive hunter]

Better yet let me hear about what you think were his big mistakes.

Feel free to start a thread on that. I'm interested in the concept of leaders taking responsibility.

This is where the divide is coyote. People here drone on about how bad orange man is, the apocalypse is just around the corner, he lies ten of thousands of times, we will never recover from the harm he has done. I am asking you who started a thread on trump not taking credit for what he did wrong, what has trump done wrong that is harmful to the American people?. People here promote a narrative that is not fact based following the old strategy of if you say it enough times people will believe it is true. Trump has not done a perfect job, no one can, but he has done a good job in the face of the most concerted effort to destabilize an American president in our history. What is trumps Iran contra, what is trumps aca, what is it trump has done that is so bad? Everything claimed about trump when he got elected has not come true. No ww3, no economic collapse, no societal upheaval, no downward spiral of our country. You all cannot believe he hasn’t crashed and burned so you just turn up the heat with artificial constructs trying to will a giant fail for our country. There are actually people on here hoping more people will die and trump will be blamed for it. I don’t include you in that bunch of sickos.

so in closing, you have claimed trump doesn’t take responsibility for his failures, yet you document none of them, mostly because they will be subjective conclusions, which can be debated by people like me. What you really want him to do is apologize for being the heartless, egomaniaca, course, politically incorrect cad that you and others claim he is. You all have been wrong for 4 years. When are you going to take responsibility and admit your mistakes?

None so blind...

So your take is he has had no fails? By your vague criteria no president has.

More f

Two distinct examples of things that Trump, as president, could have taken responsibility for:

Healthcare - the chaotic way he has dismantled it, without replacing it with anything, leaving people, providers, insurance confused and uncertain about where this is all going or whether they'll have insurance at all. Like the chaotic roll out of ACA (Obama's fault) this chaotic retreat has also been bad.

A botched Navy Seals raid in Yemen which left a Seal and several civilians (Trump blamed the Generals).

the country and its future,,,

now shut the fuck up before your TDS gets worse you baby killing twit,,,

your to stuipd to know healthcare isnt the job of the feds or POTUS,,,

dont think you realize it but in war things go wrong and people die,,,like all those seals that dies in that helicopter crash,,,and he did take responsibility,,


now go play with your dolls little girl,,,

You are too stupid, apparently to know that it should be "too" and "you're" in your barely coherent rant about how stupid other people are.

This clearly hit a sore point with Trumpists.

when did anyone say he hasnt failed,,,
and your switching to grammar police says a lot about you and your severe case of TDS,,,


how you got to a place of authority boggles the mind,,,it must have come from the handicap act,,,

 

[Pogo]

They have sold their soul, 100%, to this guy. There is zero (0) space between them now. They're all one.

As the absolutely insane and hypocritical nature of the hatred against him amps ever upward, so does the defense of him. You cannot really consider one without considering the other.

I have long known you to be rather more independent than this, Mac. Your "they're all one" comment can just as easily be applied to those you are agreeing with, here.

I've never seen anything like this. Not the man, not the devotion. That's just me.

I have never seen anything like the insane level of hatred against him.

Cause and effect.

We see different things. He brings much of this on himself, and he always has, with his behaviors and his temperament.

I don't know how that isn't screamingly obvious.

I just find it odd how you are now siding with the very ultra-orthodox leftist hacks you have long opposed.

I don't care for Trump. Do you think that means that I agree with the ultra-orthodox leftist hacks on everything? Really?

He's playing this lame tribe game of pretending disdain of Rump has something --- anything --- to do with "left/right" or with "parties" or with "politics" at all, rather than what it actually IS about: personal character. They desperately want that not to be recognized, so they'll hide behind "partisanship" and "parties" and all manner of mendacity.

 

[Olde Europe]

Well, I do remember him saying he was sorry for the way he talked on the bus when the Access Hollywood tape got leaked.

Yes he did issue an apology for that. But even then, he tried to suggest it wasn't his voice on the tape. Even though the whole thing was on video as well as audio. Just like everything else, tried to weasel out of it. Just like mocking Serge Kovaleski when the reporter wouldn't lie for him, and then when that wouldn't play tried to deny he was mocking his arthrogryposis.

Yeah... at first he denied he said it and even said the tape was doctored. Taking responsibility after LYING about it is not exactly worthy.

That's correct. Moreover, saying he's sorry about the way he talked is akin to saying he's sorry he's been caught. That's also not "worthy".

It's even less worthy if you consider he should have taken responsibility for numerous sexual assaults. Of course, he's lying about these to this very day.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Funny how no one will address my post. Amazing.

 

[Coyote]

Not credit for - he does that all the time, but RESPONSIBILITY for something?

Ronald Reagan:
Ronald Reagan’s acceptance of responsibility in the Iran-Contra Affair in April 1987 when Trump was about to turn 40. Reagan took to the airwaves and revealed his role in the deal that used Nicaragua as the conduit for U.S. arms that were traded for Iranian-held hostages, something Reagan previously had denied. “There are reasons why it happened, but no excuses,” Reagan said. “It was a mistake. I undertook the original Iran initiative in order to develop relations with those who might assume leadership in a post-Khomeini government.” As with Kennedy, the public who genuinely liked Reagan accepted his apology and a potential impeachment was averted. His popularity also returned, scoring him a 64% approval by the time he left office two years later.

John F Kennedy:
John Kennedy’s acceptance of his role in the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion in April 1961 when Donald was nearly 15. The CIA-run operation, begun under the Eisenhower Administration, resulted in the capture of over 1,200 insurgents and ultimately the strengthening of the nascent Castro regime. Kennedy blamed himself for approving the operation and in public held himself solely accountable. "There's an old saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan ... Further statements, detailed discussions, are not to conceal responsibility because I'm the responsible officer of the Government.” The public liked what they saw from the young president and gave him a pass. Later Kennedy joked that if he had known how his poll numbers would have soared – into the 80s – he might have called for the invasion to occur sooner.

Barak Obama:
President Obama, by his own admission, failed badly during the rollout of Obamacare in fall 2013, more grievously due to the failures of HealthCare.gov. But he took responsibility and fixed it, launching an unprecedented number of outside programmers and tech specialists to overhaul the site and get it in working order. "I take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed ASAP,” Obama said at the time. And so he did.

Here are a few other things Obama took responsibility for while in office:

• The failed Tom Daschle and Bill Richardson Cabinet nominations in 2009
• The BP oil spill in 2010
• Democrats’ loss of the House of Representatives in 2010
• The attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012
• The VA scandal in 2014
• Democratic losses in the 2014 midterms
• The death of two hostages in an operation against al-Qaeda in 2015
• The Syrian government’s atrocities in Aleppo in 2016

Donald Trump:
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Can anyone provide some examples?

They have sold their soul, 100%, to this guy. There is zero (0) space between them now. They're all one.

It's not Trump, it's pushback against the left. It's tired of the radical CHANGE EVERYTHINGthe left was doing.

IE... Just this one flag removed. All we want. That set off domino's of NOW CHANGE THIS.

it's getting into arguments on where people pee
It's globalization vs nationalism.


People seem to focus on Trump maybe because they are incapable of seeing the bigger picture.

Part of a bigger picture is a president who is able to take responsibility for what happens under his watch. For policy failures, especially those that have led to real harm to people. Part of taking responsibility is also growing as a leader. Obama is one example of a president who initially blamed others, but eventually took responsibility for his mistakes and changed throughout his presidency. He is certainly not unique in that, just conveniently recent. Nor is Trump unique in not taking responsinility. But here is where I think he is unique. Unless there are some examples posted here I have not yet read, Trump has never taken responsibility for bad policy decisions or poorly implemented policies.

Two more exames;
The so-called Muslim ban, who's rollout caught airports, security people and travelers flat footed and left thousands of people stranded around the world and in airports.

Another example, the 100% family seperation policy that led to thousands of children separated from parents, parents who were promised reunion and deportation together if they gave up seeking asylum only to find they were deported and the kids left behind. Now we have children who's parents can not be found and parents who can not find their children. The system was implemented with little forewarning or preparation for shelter and tracking and has been a disaster.

Those two examples are not on the merits of the policies themselves but on the way they were implemented.

Accepting responsibility means learning from mistakes and implies a capacity for introspection and growth that I am not seeing in Trump.

 

[Mac1958]

Not credit for - he does that all the time, but RESPONSIBILITY for something?

Ronald Reagan:
Ronald Reagan’s acceptance of responsibility in the Iran-Contra Affair in April 1987 when Trump was about to turn 40. Reagan took to the airwaves and revealed his role in the deal that used Nicaragua as the conduit for U.S. arms that were traded for Iranian-held hostages, something Reagan previously had denied. “There are reasons why it happened, but no excuses,” Reagan said. “It was a mistake. I undertook the original Iran initiative in order to develop relations with those who might assume leadership in a post-Khomeini government.” As with Kennedy, the public who genuinely liked Reagan accepted his apology and a potential impeachment was averted. His popularity also returned, scoring him a 64% approval by the time he left office two years later.

John F Kennedy:
John Kennedy’s acceptance of his role in the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion in April 1961 when Donald was nearly 15. The CIA-run operation, begun under the Eisenhower Administration, resulted in the capture of over 1,200 insurgents and ultimately the strengthening of the nascent Castro regime. Kennedy blamed himself for approving the operation and in public held himself solely accountable. "There's an old saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan ... Further statements, detailed discussions, are not to conceal responsibility because I'm the responsible officer of the Government.” The public liked what they saw from the young president and gave him a pass. Later Kennedy joked that if he had known how his poll numbers would have soared – into the 80s – he might have called for the invasion to occur sooner.

Barak Obama:
President Obama, by his own admission, failed badly during the rollout of Obamacare in fall 2013, more grievously due to the failures of HealthCare.gov. But he took responsibility and fixed it, launching an unprecedented number of outside programmers and tech specialists to overhaul the site and get it in working order. "I take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed ASAP,” Obama said at the time. And so he did.

Here are a few other things Obama took responsibility for while in office:

• The failed Tom Daschle and Bill Richardson Cabinet nominations in 2009
• The BP oil spill in 2010
• Democrats’ loss of the House of Representatives in 2010
• The attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012
• The VA scandal in 2014
• Democratic losses in the 2014 midterms
• The death of two hostages in an operation against al-Qaeda in 2015
• The Syrian government’s atrocities in Aleppo in 2016

Donald Trump:
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Can anyone provide some examples?

They have sold their soul, 100%, to this guy. There is zero (0) space between them now. They're all one.

It's not Trump, it's pushback against the left. It's tired of the radical CHANGE EVERYTHINGthe left was doing.

IE... Just this one flag removed. All we want. That set off domino's of NOW CHANGE THIS.

it's getting into arguments on where people pee
It's globalization vs nationalism.


People seem to focus on Trump maybe because they are incapable of seeing the bigger picture.

Part of a bigger picture is a president who is able to take responsibility for what happens under his watch. For policy failures, especially those that have led to real harm to people. Part of taking responsibility is also growing as a leader. Obama is one example of a president who initially blamed others, but eventually took responsibility for his mistakes and changed throughout his presidency. He is certainly not unique in that, just conveniently recent. Nor is Trump unique in not taking responsinility. But here is where I think he is unique. Unless there are some examples posted here I have not yet read, Trump has never taken responsibility for bad policy decisions or poorly implemented policies.

Two more exames;
The so-called Muslim ban, who's rollout caught airports, security people and travelers flat footed and left thousands of people stranded around the world and in airports.

Another example, the 100% family seperation policy that led to thousands of children separated from parents, parents who were promised reunion and deportation together if they gave up seeking asylum only to find they were deported and the kids left behind. Now we have children who's parents can not be found and parents who can not find their children. The system was implemented with little forewarning or preparation for shelter and tracking and has been a disaster.

Those two examples are not on the merits of the policies themselves but on the way they were implemented.

Accepting responsibility means learning from mistakes and implies a capacity for introspection and growth that I am not seeing in Trump.

The problem here is that he knows his base won't expect him to. They're happy to enable his worst impulses, and they'll always drop their standards for him.

All that will get us is more of the same.

 

[progressive hunter]

Not credit for - he does that all the time, but RESPONSIBILITY for something?

Ronald Reagan:
Ronald Reagan’s acceptance of responsibility in the Iran-Contra Affair in April 1987 when Trump was about to turn 40. Reagan took to the airwaves and revealed his role in the deal that used Nicaragua as the conduit for U.S. arms that were traded for Iranian-held hostages, something Reagan previously had denied. “There are reasons why it happened, but no excuses,” Reagan said. “It was a mistake. I undertook the original Iran initiative in order to develop relations with those who might assume leadership in a post-Khomeini government.” As with Kennedy, the public who genuinely liked Reagan accepted his apology and a potential impeachment was averted. His popularity also returned, scoring him a 64% approval by the time he left office two years later.

John F Kennedy:
John Kennedy’s acceptance of his role in the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion in April 1961 when Donald was nearly 15. The CIA-run operation, begun under the Eisenhower Administration, resulted in the capture of over 1,200 insurgents and ultimately the strengthening of the nascent Castro regime. Kennedy blamed himself for approving the operation and in public held himself solely accountable. "There's an old saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan ... Further statements, detailed discussions, are not to conceal responsibility because I'm the responsible officer of the Government.” The public liked what they saw from the young president and gave him a pass. Later Kennedy joked that if he had known how his poll numbers would have soared – into the 80s – he might have called for the invasion to occur sooner.

Barak Obama:
President Obama, by his own admission, failed badly during the rollout of Obamacare in fall 2013, more grievously due to the failures of HealthCare.gov. But he took responsibility and fixed it, launching an unprecedented number of outside programmers and tech specialists to overhaul the site and get it in working order. "I take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed ASAP,” Obama said at the time. And so he did.

Here are a few other things Obama took responsibility for while in office:

• The failed Tom Daschle and Bill Richardson Cabinet nominations in 2009
• The BP oil spill in 2010
• Democrats’ loss of the House of Representatives in 2010
• The attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012
• The VA scandal in 2014
• Democratic losses in the 2014 midterms
• The death of two hostages in an operation against al-Qaeda in 2015
• The Syrian government’s atrocities in Aleppo in 2016

Donald Trump:
..........................................
..........................................
..........................................
..........................................



Can anyone provide some examples?

They have sold their soul, 100%, to this guy. There is zero (0) space between them now. They're all one.

It's not Trump, it's pushback against the left. It's tired of the radical CHANGE EVERYTHINGthe left was doing.

IE... Just this one flag removed. All we want. That set off domino's of NOW CHANGE THIS.

it's getting into arguments on where people pee
It's globalization vs nationalism.


People seem to focus on Trump maybe because they are incapable of seeing the bigger picture.

Part of a bigger picture is a president who is able to take responsibility for what happens under his watch. For policy failures, especially those that have led to real harm to people. Part of taking responsibility is also growing as a leader. Obama is one example of a president who initially blamed others, but eventually took responsibility for his mistakes and changed throughout his presidency. He is certainly not unique in that, just conveniently recent. Nor is Trump unique in not taking responsinility. But here is where I think he is unique. Unless there are some examples posted here I have not yet read, Trump has never taken responsibility for bad policy decisions or poorly implemented policies.

Two more exames;
The so-called Muslim ban, who's rollout caught airports, security people and travelers flat footed and left thousands of people stranded around the world and in airports.

Another example, the 100% family seperation policy that led to thousands of children separated from parents, parents who were promised reunion and deportation together if they gave up seeking asylum only to find they were deported and the kids left behind. Now we have children who's parents can not be found and parents who can not find their children. The system was implemented with little forewarning or preparation for shelter and tracking and has been a disaster.

Those two examples are not on the merits of the policies themselves but on the way they were implemented.

Accepting responsibility means learning from mistakes and implies a capacity for introspection and growth that I am not seeing in Trump.

blah blah blah blah trump,,,blah blah blah,,trump,,, blah blah blah trump,,,

 

[iceberg]

Not credit for - he does that all the time, but RESPONSIBILITY for something?

Ronald Reagan:
Ronald Reagan’s acceptance of responsibility in the Iran-Contra Affair in April 1987 when Trump was about to turn 40. Reagan took to the airwaves and revealed his role in the deal that used Nicaragua as the conduit for U.S. arms that were traded for Iranian-held hostages, something Reagan previously had denied. “There are reasons why it happened, but no excuses,” Reagan said. “It was a mistake. I undertook the original Iran initiative in order to develop relations with those who might assume leadership in a post-Khomeini government.” As with Kennedy, the public who genuinely liked Reagan accepted his apology and a potential impeachment was averted. His popularity also returned, scoring him a 64% approval by the time he left office two years later.

John F Kennedy:
John Kennedy’s acceptance of his role in the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion in April 1961 when Donald was nearly 15. The CIA-run operation, begun under the Eisenhower Administration, resulted in the capture of over 1,200 insurgents and ultimately the strengthening of the nascent Castro regime. Kennedy blamed himself for approving the operation and in public held himself solely accountable. "There's an old saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan ... Further statements, detailed discussions, are not to conceal responsibility because I'm the responsible officer of the Government.” The public liked what they saw from the young president and gave him a pass. Later Kennedy joked that if he had known how his poll numbers would have soared – into the 80s – he might have called for the invasion to occur sooner.

Barak Obama:
President Obama, by his own admission, failed badly during the rollout of Obamacare in fall 2013, more grievously due to the failures of HealthCare.gov. But he took responsibility and fixed it, launching an unprecedented number of outside programmers and tech specialists to overhaul the site and get it in working order. "I take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed ASAP,” Obama said at the time. And so he did.

Here are a few other things Obama took responsibility for while in office:

• The failed Tom Daschle and Bill Richardson Cabinet nominations in 2009
• The BP oil spill in 2010
• Democrats’ loss of the House of Representatives in 2010
• The attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012
• The VA scandal in 2014
• Democratic losses in the 2014 midterms
• The death of two hostages in an operation against al-Qaeda in 2015
• The Syrian government’s atrocities in Aleppo in 2016

Donald Trump:
..........................................
..........................................
..........................................
..........................................



Can anyone provide some examples?

They have sold their soul, 100%, to this guy. There is zero (0) space between them now. They're all one.

It's not Trump, it's pushback against the left. It's tired of the radical CHANGE EVERYTHINGthe left was doing.

IE... Just this one flag removed. All we want. That set off domino's of NOW CHANGE THIS.

it's getting into arguments on where people pee
It's globalization vs nationalism.


People seem to focus on Trump maybe because they are incapable of seeing the bigger picture.

Part of a bigger picture is a president who is able to take responsibility for what happens under his watch. For policy failures, especially those that have led to real harm to people. Part of taking responsibility is also growing as a leader. Obama is one example of a president who initially blamed others, but eventually took responsibility for his mistakes and changed throughout his presidency. He is certainly not unique in that, just conveniently recent. Nor is Trump unique in not taking responsinility. But here is where I think he is unique. Unless there are some examples posted here I have not yet read, Trump has never taken responsibility for bad policy decisions or poorly implemented policies.

Two more exames;
The so-called Muslim ban, who's rollout caught airports, security people and travelers flat footed and left thousands of people stranded around the world and in airports.

Another example, the 100% family seperation policy that led to thousands of children separated from parents, parents who were promised reunion and deportation together if they gave up seeking asylum only to find they were deported and the kids left behind. Now we have children who's parents can not be found and parents who can not find their children. The system was implemented with little forewarning or preparation for shelter and tracking and has been a disaster.

Those two examples are not on the merits of the policies themselves but on the way they were implemented.

Accepting responsibility means learning from mistakes and implies a capacity for introspection and growth that I am not seeing in Trump.

and all that is fine. in a perfect world.

we are so far from it nothing makes sense. we impeach over phone calls with made up evidence. we take a potential SCOTUS to trial for 30 year old "Crimes" that were never proven to be a crime.

my commentary is more outsider looking in not taking a side to bolster against the other. both sides are so riddled with flaws i simply do not understand how either side has a "blind faith" in 1 side over the other.

both sides have a whole lot of positive stuff to offer. they do. we all do.

trump doesn't have shit to do with that no matter how people try to make him OR obama the poster child for everything wrong in the world today.

the problem is. the problem is we repeat news we want to hear and tear into anyone who may say "wait a minute". trump? obama? nope. the problem is we react and don't listen. obama? trump? this is human nature. been saying 90% of the people only think 10% of the time since 1986. again nothing new. but we project everything wrong onto a few for the most part because not many can, or want to, separate emotionally from who we are. we *do* react 99% of the time.

but what gets us out of defense mode and simply into thinking?

i don't think we've found that yet because trump, as with obama, has become the whipping post for the other sides extreme frustrations. as long as we do that, this is the world we get from it.

 

[iceberg]

Not credit for - he does that all the time, but RESPONSIBILITY for something?

Ronald Reagan:
Ronald Reagan’s acceptance of responsibility in the Iran-Contra Affair in April 1987 when Trump was about to turn 40. Reagan took to the airwaves and revealed his role in the deal that used Nicaragua as the conduit for U.S. arms that were traded for Iranian-held hostages, something Reagan previously had denied. “There are reasons why it happened, but no excuses,” Reagan said. “It was a mistake. I undertook the original Iran initiative in order to develop relations with those who might assume leadership in a post-Khomeini government.” As with Kennedy, the public who genuinely liked Reagan accepted his apology and a potential impeachment was averted. His popularity also returned, scoring him a 64% approval by the time he left office two years later.

John F Kennedy:
John Kennedy’s acceptance of his role in the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion in April 1961 when Donald was nearly 15. The CIA-run operation, begun under the Eisenhower Administration, resulted in the capture of over 1,200 insurgents and ultimately the strengthening of the nascent Castro regime. Kennedy blamed himself for approving the operation and in public held himself solely accountable. "There's an old saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan ... Further statements, detailed discussions, are not to conceal responsibility because I'm the responsible officer of the Government.” The public liked what they saw from the young president and gave him a pass. Later Kennedy joked that if he had known how his poll numbers would have soared – into the 80s – he might have called for the invasion to occur sooner.

Barak Obama:
President Obama, by his own admission, failed badly during the rollout of Obamacare in fall 2013, more grievously due to the failures of HealthCare.gov. But he took responsibility and fixed it, launching an unprecedented number of outside programmers and tech specialists to overhaul the site and get it in working order. "I take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed ASAP,” Obama said at the time. And so he did.

Here are a few other things Obama took responsibility for while in office:

• The failed Tom Daschle and Bill Richardson Cabinet nominations in 2009
• The BP oil spill in 2010
• Democrats’ loss of the House of Representatives in 2010
• The attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012
• The VA scandal in 2014
• Democratic losses in the 2014 midterms
• The death of two hostages in an operation against al-Qaeda in 2015
• The Syrian government’s atrocities in Aleppo in 2016

Donald Trump:
..........................................
..........................................
..........................................
..........................................



Can anyone provide some examples?

They have sold their soul, 100%, to this guy. There is zero (0) space between them now. They're all one.

It's not Trump, it's pushback against the left. It's tired of the radical CHANGE EVERYTHINGthe left was doing.

IE... Just this one flag removed. All we want. That set off domino's of NOW CHANGE THIS.

it's getting into arguments on where people pee
It's globalization vs nationalism.


People seem to focus on Trump maybe because they are incapable of seeing the bigger picture.

Part of a bigger picture is a president who is able to take responsibility for what happens under his watch. For policy failures, especially those that have led to real harm to people. Part of taking responsibility is also growing as a leader. Obama is one example of a president who initially blamed others, but eventually took responsibility for his mistakes and changed throughout his presidency. He is certainly not unique in that, just conveniently recent. Nor is Trump unique in not taking responsinility. But here is where I think he is unique. Unless there are some examples posted here I have not yet read, Trump has never taken responsibility for bad policy decisions or poorly implemented policies.

Two more exames;
The so-called Muslim ban, who's rollout caught airports, security people and travelers flat footed and left thousands of people stranded around the world and in airports.

Another example, the 100% family seperation policy that led to thousands of children separated from parents, parents who were promised reunion and deportation together if they gave up seeking asylum only to find they were deported and the kids left behind. Now we have children who's parents can not be found and parents who can not find their children. The system was implemented with little forewarning or preparation for shelter and tracking and has been a disaster.

Those two examples are not on the merits of the policies themselves but on the way they were implemented.

Accepting responsibility means learning from mistakes and implies a capacity for introspection and growth that I am not seeing in Trump.

The problem here is that he knows his base won't expect him to. They're happy to enable his worst impulses, and they'll always drop their standards for him.

All that will get us is more of the same.

now i have to ask - which base? this fits both "side-huggers" to a T.

 

[BS Filter]

Not credit for - he does that all the time, but RESPONSIBILITY for something?

Ronald Reagan:
Ronald Reagan’s acceptance of responsibility in the Iran-Contra Affair in April 1987 when Trump was about to turn 40. Reagan took to the airwaves and revealed his role in the deal that used Nicaragua as the conduit for U.S. arms that were traded for Iranian-held hostages, something Reagan previously had denied. “There are reasons why it happened, but no excuses,” Reagan said. “It was a mistake. I undertook the original Iran initiative in order to develop relations with those who might assume leadership in a post-Khomeini government.” As with Kennedy, the public who genuinely liked Reagan accepted his apology and a potential impeachment was averted. His popularity also returned, scoring him a 64% approval by the time he left office two years later.

John F Kennedy:
John Kennedy’s acceptance of his role in the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion in April 1961 when Donald was nearly 15. The CIA-run operation, begun under the Eisenhower Administration, resulted in the capture of over 1,200 insurgents and ultimately the strengthening of the nascent Castro regime. Kennedy blamed himself for approving the operation and in public held himself solely accountable. "There's an old saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan ... Further statements, detailed discussions, are not to conceal responsibility because I'm the responsible officer of the Government.” The public liked what they saw from the young president and gave him a pass. Later Kennedy joked that if he had known how his poll numbers would have soared – into the 80s – he might have called for the invasion to occur sooner.

Barak Obama:
President Obama, by his own admission, failed badly during the rollout of Obamacare in fall 2013, more grievously due to the failures of HealthCare.gov. But he took responsibility and fixed it, launching an unprecedented number of outside programmers and tech specialists to overhaul the site and get it in working order. "I take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed ASAP,” Obama said at the time. And so he did.

Here are a few other things Obama took responsibility for while in office:

• The failed Tom Daschle and Bill Richardson Cabinet nominations in 2009
• The BP oil spill in 2010
• Democrats’ loss of the House of Representatives in 2010
• The attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012
• The VA scandal in 2014
• Democratic losses in the 2014 midterms
• The death of two hostages in an operation against al-Qaeda in 2015
• The Syrian government’s atrocities in Aleppo in 2016

Donald Trump:
..........................................
..........................................
..........................................
..........................................



Can anyone provide some examples?

Thank you for proving what a total failure Obungo was.

 

[Olde Europe]

Part of a bigger picture is a president who is able to take responsibility for what happens under his watch. For policy failures, especially those that have led to real harm to people. Part of taking responsibility is also growing as a leader. Obama is one example of a president who initially blamed others, but eventually took responsibility for his mistakes and changed throughout his presidency. He is certainly not unique in that, just conveniently recent. Nor is Trump unique in not taking responsinility. But here is where I think he is unique. Unless there are some examples posted here I have not yet read, Trump has never taken responsibility for bad policy decisions or poorly implemented policies.

Two more exames;
The so-called Muslim ban, who's rollout caught airports, security people and travelers flat footed and left thousands of people stranded around the world and in airports.

Another example, the 100% family seperation policy that led to thousands of children separated from parents, parents who were promised reunion and deportation together if they gave up seeking asylum only to find they were deported and the kids left behind. Now we have children who's parents can not be found and parents who can not find their children. The system was implemented with little forewarning or preparation for shelter and tracking and has been a disaster.

Those two examples are not on the merits of the policies themselves but on the way they were implemented.

Accepting responsibility means learning from mistakes and implies a capacity for introspection and growth that I am not seeing in Trump.

That's all very well stated, and there are numerous examples for bad to horrendous policy decisions, from environmental deregulation, lowering emission standards to violating the JCPOA and dropping the Paris Agreement on climate change, which could all be included.

The other side of the coin is, from the beginning, Trump has read his "base" better than anyone else, and he is very likely doing the "right thing", politically speaking, so as to preserve his political fortunes.

Where he to give a speech to the effect of, "I misrepresented the threat from the beginning, I was dismissing it to secure my re-election, I didn't understand what 'exponential growth' means, I sidelined my experts as long as I could, and slowed down the reaction to keep the fabulous stock market going, to keep unemployment low, and now people are dying for it, needlessly, and I offer my apologies to all Americans for that," what would happen? You might find that admirable. But think about it: His base couldn't be any more irate when President Obama, in their perception, "apologized" for America. They, I would guess, wouldn't take any speech like that lightly, and it would destroy, at least imperil, their belief in a "strong leader". That's what binds them to Trump, and that leads to scurrilous pronouncement, like, "Thank god for Trump - he saved us from the Chinese virus!"

Of course, that's all guesswork, since neither will Trump give that speech, nor will we see his "base" react to it.

 

[eddiew]

Not credit for - he does that all the time, but RESPONSIBILITY for something?

Ronald Reagan:
Ronald Reagan’s acceptance of responsibility in the Iran-Contra Affair in April 1987 when Trump was about to turn 40. Reagan took to the airwaves and revealed his role in the deal that used Nicaragua as the conduit for U.S. arms that were traded for Iranian-held hostages, something Reagan previously had denied. “There are reasons why it happened, but no excuses,” Reagan said. “It was a mistake. I undertook the original Iran initiative in order to develop relations with those who might assume leadership in a post-Khomeini government.” As with Kennedy, the public who genuinely liked Reagan accepted his apology and a potential impeachment was averted. His popularity also returned, scoring him a 64% approval by the time he left office two years later.

John F Kennedy:
John Kennedy’s acceptance of his role in the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion in April 1961 when Donald was nearly 15. The CIA-run operation, begun under the Eisenhower Administration, resulted in the capture of over 1,200 insurgents and ultimately the strengthening of the nascent Castro regime. Kennedy blamed himself for approving the operation and in public held himself solely accountable. "There's an old saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan ... Further statements, detailed discussions, are not to conceal responsibility because I'm the responsible officer of the Government.” The public liked what they saw from the young president and gave him a pass. Later Kennedy joked that if he had known how his poll numbers would have soared – into the 80s – he might have called for the invasion to occur sooner.

Barak Obama:
President Obama, by his own admission, failed badly during the rollout of Obamacare in fall 2013, more grievously due to the failures of HealthCare.gov. But he took responsibility and fixed it, launching an unprecedented number of outside programmers and tech specialists to overhaul the site and get it in working order. "I take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed ASAP,” Obama said at the time. And so he did.

Here are a few other things Obama took responsibility for while in office:

• The failed Tom Daschle and Bill Richardson Cabinet nominations in 2009
• The BP oil spill in 2010
• Democrats’ loss of the House of Representatives in 2010
• The attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012
• The VA scandal in 2014
• Democratic losses in the 2014 midterms
• The death of two hostages in an operation against al-Qaeda in 2015
• The Syrian government’s atrocities in Aleppo in 2016

Donald Trump:
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Can anyone provide some examples?

They have sold their soul, 100%, to this guy. There is zero (0) space between them now. They're all one.

It's not Trump, it's pushback against the left. It's tired of the radical CHANGE EVERYTHINGthe left was doing.

IE... Just this one flag removed. All we want. That set off domino's of NOW CHANGE THIS.

it's getting into arguments on where people pee
It's globalization vs nationalism.


People seem to focus on Trump maybe because they are incapable of seeing the bigger picture.

Part of a bigger picture is a president who is able to take responsibility for what happens under his watch. For policy failures, especially those that have led to real harm to people. Part of taking responsibility is also growing as a leader. Obama is one example of a president who initially blamed others, but eventually took responsibility for his mistakes and changed throughout his presidency. He is certainly not unique in that, just conveniently recent. Nor is Trump unique in not taking responsinility. But here is where I think he is unique. Unless there are some examples posted here I have not yet read, Trump has never taken responsibility for bad policy decisions or poorly implemented policies.

Two more exames;
The so-called Muslim ban, who's rollout caught airports, security people and travelers flat footed and left thousands of people stranded around the world and in airports.

Another example, the 100% family seperation policy that led to thousands of children separated from parents, parents who were promised reunion and deportation together if they gave up seeking asylum only to find they were deported and the kids left behind. Now we have children who's parents can not be found and parents who can not find their children. The system was implemented with little forewarning or preparation for shelter and tracking and has been a disaster.

Those two examples are not on the merits of the policies themselves but on the way they were implemented.

Accepting responsibility means learning from mistakes and implies a capacity for introspection and growth that I am not seeing in Trump.

and all that is fine. in a perfect world.

we are so far from it nothing makes sense. we impeach over phone calls with made up evidence. we take a potential SCOTUS to trial for 30 year old "Crimes" that were never proven to be a crime.

my commentary is more outsider looking in not taking a side to bolster against the other. both sides are so riddled with flaws i simply do not understand how either side has a "blind faith" in 1 side over the other.

both sides have a whole lot of positive stuff to offer. they do. we all do.

trump doesn't have shit to do with that no matter how people try to make him OR obama the poster child for everything wrong in the world today.

the problem is. the problem is we repeat news we want to hear and tear into anyone who may say "wait a minute". trump? obama? nope. the problem is we react and don't listen. obama? trump? this is human nature. been saying 90% of the people only think 10% of the time since 1986. again nothing new. but we project everything wrong onto a few for the most part because not many can, or want to, separate emotionally from who we are. we *do* react 99% of the time.

but what gets us out of defense mode and simply into thinking?

i don't think we've found that yet because trump, as with obama, has become the whipping post for the other sides extreme frustrations. as long as we do that, this is the world we get from it.

And if you elect that fraud trump again he's going to the whipping post for 4 more years And if you don't elect his lying ass he'll be in court for more than 4 years

 

[eddiew]

They have sold their soul, 100%, to this guy. There is zero (0) space between them now. They're all one.

As the absolutely insane and hypocritical nature of the hatred against him amps ever upward, so does the defense of him. You cannot really consider one without considering the other.

I have long known you to be rather more independent than this, Mac. Your "they're all one" comment can just as easily be applied to those you are agreeing with, here.

I've never seen anything like this. Not the man, not the devotion. That's just me.

I have never seen anything like the insane level of hatred against him.

Cause and effect.

Wait and see the level if you put this unqualified POS in the WH for 4 more

 

[Mac1958]

Not credit for - he does that all the time, but RESPONSIBILITY for something?

Ronald Reagan:
Ronald Reagan’s acceptance of responsibility in the Iran-Contra Affair in April 1987 when Trump was about to turn 40. Reagan took to the airwaves and revealed his role in the deal that used Nicaragua as the conduit for U.S. arms that were traded for Iranian-held hostages, something Reagan previously had denied. “There are reasons why it happened, but no excuses,” Reagan said. “It was a mistake. I undertook the original Iran initiative in order to develop relations with those who might assume leadership in a post-Khomeini government.” As with Kennedy, the public who genuinely liked Reagan accepted his apology and a potential impeachment was averted. His popularity also returned, scoring him a 64% approval by the time he left office two years later.

John F Kennedy:
John Kennedy’s acceptance of his role in the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion in April 1961 when Donald was nearly 15. The CIA-run operation, begun under the Eisenhower Administration, resulted in the capture of over 1,200 insurgents and ultimately the strengthening of the nascent Castro regime. Kennedy blamed himself for approving the operation and in public held himself solely accountable. "There's an old saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan ... Further statements, detailed discussions, are not to conceal responsibility because I'm the responsible officer of the Government.” The public liked what they saw from the young president and gave him a pass. Later Kennedy joked that if he had known how his poll numbers would have soared – into the 80s – he might have called for the invasion to occur sooner.

Barak Obama:
President Obama, by his own admission, failed badly during the rollout of Obamacare in fall 2013, more grievously due to the failures of HealthCare.gov. But he took responsibility and fixed it, launching an unprecedented number of outside programmers and tech specialists to overhaul the site and get it in working order. "I take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed ASAP,” Obama said at the time. And so he did.

Here are a few other things Obama took responsibility for while in office:

• The failed Tom Daschle and Bill Richardson Cabinet nominations in 2009
• The BP oil spill in 2010
• Democrats’ loss of the House of Representatives in 2010
• The attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012
• The VA scandal in 2014
• Democratic losses in the 2014 midterms
• The death of two hostages in an operation against al-Qaeda in 2015
• The Syrian government’s atrocities in Aleppo in 2016

Donald Trump:
..........................................
..........................................
..........................................
..........................................



Can anyone provide some examples?

They have sold their soul, 100%, to this guy. There is zero (0) space between them now. They're all one.

It's not Trump, it's pushback against the left. It's tired of the radical CHANGE EVERYTHINGthe left was doing.

IE... Just this one flag removed. All we want. That set off domino's of NOW CHANGE THIS.

it's getting into arguments on where people pee
It's globalization vs nationalism.


People seem to focus on Trump maybe because they are incapable of seeing the bigger picture.

Part of a bigger picture is a president who is able to take responsibility for what happens under his watch. For policy failures, especially those that have led to real harm to people. Part of taking responsibility is also growing as a leader. Obama is one example of a president who initially blamed others, but eventually took responsibility for his mistakes and changed throughout his presidency. He is certainly not unique in that, just conveniently recent. Nor is Trump unique in not taking responsinility. But here is where I think he is unique. Unless there are some examples posted here I have not yet read, Trump has never taken responsibility for bad policy decisions or poorly implemented policies.

Two more exames;
The so-called Muslim ban, who's rollout caught airports, security people and travelers flat footed and left thousands of people stranded around the world and in airports.

Another example, the 100% family seperation policy that led to thousands of children separated from parents, parents who were promised reunion and deportation together if they gave up seeking asylum only to find they were deported and the kids left behind. Now we have children who's parents can not be found and parents who can not find their children. The system was implemented with little forewarning or preparation for shelter and tracking and has been a disaster.

Those two examples are not on the merits of the policies themselves but on the way they were implemented.

Accepting responsibility means learning from mistakes and implies a capacity for introspection and growth that I am not seeing in Trump.

The problem here is that he knows his base won't expect him to. They're happy to enable his worst impulses, and they'll always drop their standards for him.

All that will get us is more of the same.

now i have to ask - which base? this fits both "side-huggers" to a T.

Okay.

 

[Dalia]

Yes

 

[Indeependent]

Part of a bigger picture is a president who is able to take responsibility for what happens under his watch. For policy failures, especially those that have led to real harm to people. Part of taking responsibility is also growing as a leader. Obama is one example of a president who initially blamed others, but eventually took responsibility for his mistakes and changed throughout his presidency. He is certainly not unique in that, just conveniently recent. Nor is Trump unique in not taking responsinility. But here is where I think he is unique. Unless there are some examples posted here I have not yet read, Trump has never taken responsibility for bad policy decisions or poorly implemented policies.

Two more exames;
The so-called Muslim ban, who's rollout caught airports, security people and travelers flat footed and left thousands of people stranded around the world and in airports.

Another example, the 100% family seperation policy that led to thousands of children separated from parents, parents who were promised reunion and deportation together if they gave up seeking asylum only to find they were deported and the kids left behind. Now we have children who's parents can not be found and parents who can not find their children. The system was implemented with little forewarning or preparation for shelter and tracking and has been a disaster.

Those two examples are not on the merits of the policies themselves but on the way they were implemented.

Accepting responsibility means learning from mistakes and implies a capacity for introspection and growth that I am not seeing in Trump.

That's all very well stated, and there are numerous examples for bad to horrendous policy decisions, from environmental deregulation, lowering emission standards to violating the JCPOA and dropping the Paris Agreement on climate change, which could all be included.

The other side of the coin is, from the beginning, Trump has read his "base" better than anyone else, and he is very likely doing the "right thing", politically speaking, so as to preserve his political fortunes.

Where he to give a speech to the effect of, "I misrepresented the threat from the beginning, I was dismissing it to secure my re-election, I didn't understand what 'exponential growth' means, I sidelined my experts as long as I could, and slowed down the reaction to keep the fabulous stock market going, to keep unemployment low, and now people are dying for it, needlessly, and I offer my apologies to all Americans for that," what would happen? You might find that admirable. But think about it: His base couldn't be any more irate when President Obama, in their perception, "apologized" for America. They, I would guess, wouldn't take any speech like that lightly, and it would destroy, at least imperil, their belief in a "strong leader". That's what binds them to Trump, and that leads to scurrilous pronouncement, like, "Thank god for Trump - he saved us from the Chinese virus!"

Of course, that's all guesswork, since neither will Trump give that speech, nor will we see his "base" react to it.

Isn't it horrible that a President is doing what he campaigned on?

 

[Dr Grump]

Which is worse -- Trump or Trump Derangement Syndrome?

As somebody who did not vote for Trump in 2016, I would say Trump Derangement Syndrome by a long shot. All I see are masses of disgruntled and disloyal Americans who produce nothing, stand for nothing and are worth nothing all channeling all their hatred unto a single individual. It isn't healthy.

Rational people are able to give credit as well as criticize, but those afflicted by Trump derangement syndrome are not rational people. They are just spoiled children. Until such a time as these individuals become adult enough to give credit as well as assign blame, all demands that he accept responsibility should be taken with a grain of salt -- ESPECIALLY since these demands are placed for matters beyond his control.

I find Trump to be arrogant and capricious at times, but the level of absolute hatred leveled against him by these authoritarian leftist hacks is really beyond the pale. It really says more about them than it does him.

It's his own fault. He comes across as arrogant, narcissistic, incurious, stubborn, definitely lives up to the OP as far as lack of responsibility is concerned, and comes across as a spoiled brat. l mean seriously, whining and whinging constantly on Twitter? The man has no dignity. All he has done is continue policies that Obama started. All those upward ticks - employment, economy et c (all before the coronavirus etc) - started long before he became president.
He has pissed off allies, put in tariffs that have really hurt US farmers, lies constantly (be blowed if I'm gonna post that list yet AGAIN), and at the end of the day is a disgusting human being whose only raison d'etre in life is Donald Trump. He is a psycho.
As I have said before, forget the Orange Buffoon as a president. I thought he was a piece of shit long before he was president.
Two other things:
1) He wanted the job, he gets responsibility. You talk of derangement, go read posts on this board between 2008-2016. You want to see unhealthy, go read the right's reaction to Obama's presidency.
2) You want to know the state of his administration and how bad it is? The fact it is so bad, the likes of you see it as the norm. Shall we list the number of people in his admin who have resigned or been fired? The first two-three years it was like a revolving door. THAT isn't healthy for anybody - especially the country. I'm not even going to go into the number of his ex-staffers that have been found guilty of misconduct or are under investigation.

 

[Dr Grump]

I have never seen anything like the insane level of hatred against him.
Cause and effect.

Take away the cause...

 

[Dr Grump]

Exactly. The rabid devotion to Obama and anyone critical was racist. Example 1.

He's simply a response to the crazy left crap. Now we get crazy right shit.

It's certainly... Crazy.

There certainly was a lot of racism towards Obama. Still is on these very boards. Seen him called a monkey, coon, and many other degratory remarks. And if you don't see people referring to him as a 'muslim' and calling him Barack HUSSEIN Obama as having a racist slant, then I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. Your disingenuous BS is just that....BS..
Was Obama a great president? No. Will never be in the top 20. Was he as bad as your neocon whackadoodle nimrods say he was? Again, not even close.

 

[Dr Grump]

We are in the middle of the biggest crisis our nation has faced in decades...

And yet the only ones spouting conspiracy theories about coronavirus only being the 'flu' and a 'hoax' to the person - TO THE PERSON - are Trump supporters. Every single one of them. Why do you think that is? A coincidence? Blind luck? Or maybe, just maybe, you have an incompetent leader, who even when found to be patently, provably lying, calls "Fake News!". What sort of responsible, normal politician (hell human being) fosters that kind of reaction? Every piece of venom, hatred and negative statement against Trump has been richly earned and deserved. And I make no apology for it. He is scum.