Zone1 Has the Christian Churches Changed like this table says?

[The Irish Ram]

Christianity teaches accepting jesus is a get out of hell free card.
Do what you want, and then before you die, accept jesus. Boom. Heaven it is.
Kinda silly, really.

Very silly, really, because that scheme would only work if you know the day and time of your death.
Was that their plan?

Did he have time?

That's one hell of a risk when you realize that counting on enough time to accept Christ regarding your eternity is a crap shoot. Accepting Him now before it may be too late sounds like a better plan...

 

[Meriweather]

I don’t disagree. Why so defensive?

Why take a supporting comment as being defensive? I apologize for any offense.

 

[Cougarbear]

I am smart enough to get through all the dancing you want to do. What you think you've done is framed up a clever way to condemn sinners to feel good about yourself and spend time preaching about whatever your favorite out of vogue sin is. Probably you want to rail on gays most likely, with some abortion objection in there.

One of the strongest criticisms Jesus made of religious leaders was not that they cared about morality, it was that they selectively obsessed over certain sins while ignoring the sins in themselves.

He condemned hypocrisy far more often than He condemned outsiders.

“You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.” — Matthew 23:24

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?
You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. — Matthew 7:3–5

Those verses are literally about obsessing over tiny visible “sins” while ignoring larger moral failures.

Many modern Christians act as though being against homosexuality or abortion is the entire definition of righteousness, while overlooking pride, greed, adultery, cruelty, dishonesty, hatred, materialism, gossip, lack of compassion, and the refusal to help the poor, you know, sins that scripture repeatedly condemns.

Jesus spent far more time attacking hypocrisy, self-righteousness, exploitation, and lack of mercy than policing outsiders.

The irony is that some Christians use a handful of culturally controversial sins to feel morally superior while ignoring the endless list of sins flourishing inside the church itself.

The Gospel was supposed to produce humility: “We are all sinners in need of grace.”
Not: “At least we’re better than those people.”

You are full of yourself. You are sinning and I’d advise you to get out of Satan’s trap.

 

[Cougarbear]

That may work, or if not assure them they are throwing away eternal life by practicing that sin.

Yes. There has to be tact when working with people. Citygator has no tact. He is abrasive and un-Christlike. I hope he’s not attempting to help sinners improve.

 

[citygator]

You are full of yourself. You are sinning and I’d advise you to get out of Satan’s trap.

I gave you a Bible based answer and you simply insulted me. Why would I care what you advise when you clearly have no Biblical or Faith training? Your understanding of Christianity seems to be flawed. Why would you base your faith on condemning others?

 

[jacksonlamb]

Cougarbear may be using the Holy Bible as a blind, which to sin mightily and often.

 

[Cougarbear]

I gave you a Bible based answer and you simply insulted me. Why would I care what you advise when you clearly have no Biblical or Faith training? Your understanding of Christianity seems to be flawed. Why would you base your faith on condemning others?

Your answer wasn't bible based. It was your slant on the Bible. It's your understanding of the gospel of Jesus Christ that is flawed. Most of Christianity is flawed since they came out of flawed church, the RCC.

 

[citygator]

Your answer wasn't bible based.

Oh yea? Which part? Here is my response again:

I am smart enough to get through all the dancing you want to do. What you think you've done is framed up a clever way to condemn sinners to feel good about yourself and spend time preaching about whatever your favorite out of vogue sin is. Probably you want to rail on gays most likely, with some abortion objection in there.

One of the strongest criticisms Jesus made of religious leaders was not that they cared about morality, it was that they selectively obsessed over certain sins while ignoring the sins in themselves.

He condemned hypocrisy far more often than He condemned outsiders.

“You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.” — Matthew 23:24

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?
You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. — Matthew 7:3–5

Those verses are literally about obsessing over tiny visible “sins” while ignoring larger moral failures.

Many modern Christians act as though being against homosexuality or abortion is the entire definition of righteousness, while overlooking pride, greed, adultery, cruelty, dishonesty, hatred, materialism, gossip, lack of compassion, and the refusal to help the poor, you know, sins that scripture repeatedly condemns.

Jesus spent far more time attacking hypocrisy, self-righteousness, exploitation, and lack of mercy than policing outsiders.

The irony is that some Christians use a handful of culturally controversial sins to feel morally superior while ignoring the endless list of sins flourishing inside the church itself.

The Gospel was supposed to produce humility: “We are all sinners in need of grace.”
Not: “At least we’re better than those people.”

It was your slant on the Bible.

You'll notice I supported my comments with text.

It's your understanding of the gospel of Jesus Christ that is flawed.

I doubt that.

Most of Christianity is flawed since they came out of flawed church, the RCC.

More nonsense. You dont need a Church to read Jesus' words.

 

[Parker21]

Yes. There has to be tact when working with people. Citygator has no tact. He is abrasive and un-Christlike. I hope he’s not attempting to help sinners improve.

Jesus became abrasive to the Israelite spiritual leaders after they would not listen to his kind way of teaching.

 

[Gary Seven]

It’s my opinion this chart is correct. My question is, how do we handle sinners, especially the grievous sins like living together outside the bounds of marriage?

It's not your job to "handle" sinners. In fact, I'm pretty sure that in "real" Christianity, sin is "hands off". Now go about and do good works and let the one who wrote the law "handle" the sinners, lest thou take his job in vain.

 

[Cougarbear]

Oh yea? Which part? Here is my response again:




You'll notice I supported my comments with text.

I doubt that.

More nonsense. You dont need a Church to read Jesus' words.

You think you do, but you don't. But, you have the right to interpret the bible the way you want to for the scriptures are not for private interpretations.
You also make the error thinking that small sins are not as important as big sins. The fact is, getting away with small sins always turns into big sins. Jesus is simply saying, "He who has not sinned, cast the first stone." He's not saying that it's wrong to make aware of sins to others. He's saying it's wrong to judge others of their sins. You are a typical Google person who really takes scriptures out of context to try and impress others.

 

[Cougarbear]

It's not your job to "handle" sinners. In fact, I'm pretty sure that in "real" Christianity, sin is "hands off". Now go about and do good works and let the one who wrote the law "handle" the sinners, lest thou take his job in vain.

Are you your brother's keeper? Real acts of Christ don't run to the other side of the road to not help a Samaritan. No, they help through the healing process the best they can. But first, sinners need to know they are sinning. How do you propose that they find this out?
First, the scriptures are clear that Grace comes to those who have "faith" in Christ. Also, faith without works is dead as the scripture states. The works of faith are; Belief in Christ, recognize your sins and repent, be baptized with water and the Holy Ghost, keep the Lord's commandments and endure to the end. Then and only then will you receive Grace. You can't recognize your own sins without help from others or the opposite. You can't know about repenting unless you are taught how and when to repent. You can't baptize yourself because it can only be done by one with authority directly from the Lord. And, you can't keep commandments you don't know exist unless your are taught the correct method as well. And, you can't endure to the end alone.

 

[Gary Seven]

Are you your brother's keeper? Real acts of Christ don't run to the other side of the road to not help a Samaritan. No, they help through the healing process the best they can. But first, sinners need to know they are sinning. How do you propose that they find this out?
First, the scriptures are clear that Grace comes to those who have "faith" in Christ. Also, faith without works is dead as the scripture states. The works of faith are; Belief in Christ, recognize your sins and repent, be baptized with water and the Holy Ghost, keep the Lord's commandments and endure to the end. Then and only then will you receive Grace. You can't recognize your own sins without help from others or the opposite. You can't know about repenting unless you are taught how and when to repent. You can't baptize yourself because it can only be done by one with authority directly from the Lord. And, you can't keep commandments you don't know exist unless your are taught the correct method as well. And, you can't endure to the end alone.

Blah blah blah. Refer to your own opening line. Go do good works and shut up about how to handle your sinning brother. Your own success and moral example are the tools by which you handle sinners. For thriught their defiance and their envy, sinners shall be forced to reveal their demons and offer them up for judgement without yield.

 

[citygator]

You think you do, but you don't. But, you have the right to interpret the bible the way you want to for the scriptures are not for private interpretations.
You also make the error thinking that small sins are not as important as big sins. The fact is, getting away with small sins always turns into big sins. Jesus is simply saying, "He who has not sinned, cast the first stone." He's not saying that it's wrong to make aware of sins to others. He's saying it's wrong to judge others of their sins. You are a typical Google person who really takes scriptures out of context to try and impress others.

I actually agree that all sin matters and that small sins can grow into larger ones. Pride, greed, hatred, cruelty, adultery, gossip, dishonesty, and lack of mercy are all serious sins too... which is exactly why Jesus warned so strongly about hypocrisy and self-righteousness.

My point is not that sin should never be discussed. My point is that Christians often become intensely focused on a few culturally unpopular sins while minimizing the sins flourishing inside the church itself.

And Jesus absolutely did warn against that.

“You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye…” — Matthew 7:5

The Pharisees were not condemned because they acknowledged sin existed. They were condemned because they elevated themselves morally while condemning others publicly and neglecting mercy, humility, and love.

Jesus also said:
“Woe to you… You give a tenth of your spices… but you have neglected the more important matters of the law — justice, mercy and faithfulness.” — Matthew 23:23

That sounds very relevant today.

Calling out hypocrisy or selective moral outrage is not “taking scripture out of context.” It is literally one of the central themes of Jesus’ ministry.