Has Fascism come to America?

[Coyote]

Peer review puts the fox in charge of the hen house.

No. It doesn’t.

Do you want your plumber to determine the best course of treatment for colon cancer?

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Why yes. It has. MAGA!

Seriously though, I never thought I would see this.


Source: What Is Fascism?

“Many experts agree that fascism is a mass political movement that emphasizes extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of the nation over the individual. This model of government stands in contrast to liberal democracies that support individual rights, competitive elections, and political dissent.

In many ways, fascist regimes are revolutionary in nature. They advocate for the overthrow of existing systems of government and the persecution of political enemies. However, such regimes are also highly conservative in their championing of traditional values.

And although fascist leaders typically claim to support the everyman, in reality, their regimes often align with powerful business interests.”


Sound familiar? It should.

Existing forms of government are being overthrown through the destruction of our institutions with the Executive usurping powers traditionally given to Congress and openly defying the courts when checked.

Note the last line: aligned with powerful business interests: Musk (who is raking in millions in government contracts), Bezos, Zuckerberg.


Characteristics of Facism:

Extreme Nationalism - check.

Fascist leaders believe in the supremacy of certain groups of people based on characteristics such as race, religion, ethnicity, and nationality.


Cult of personality - check.

Fascist regimes cultivate images of their leaders as great figures to be loved and admired. This cult of personality is often perpetuated through mass media and propaganda. …The Pope chalked up Il Duce’s survival of assassination attempts to divine intervention, adding to Mussolini’s mystique.


How did Fascists come to power? This is interesting, because it tracks what has actually been happening.

“It wasn’t overnight. History laid the groundwork – a pattern of liberal decay.

First, fascist parties gained a foothold in government through initially democratic means. However, over time, the party consolidated power, and ultimately secured their dictatorship.”

Note: Trump is seeking ways for a 3rd term and a Congressman is creating a bill to create a path to a 3rd term that only applies to Trump’s situation.

"Fascist", "Racist", "transphobic".. they all mean nothing, because you apply them to everything you don't like.

Nobody listens to you.

 

[Coyote]

"Fascist", "Racist", "transphobic".. they all mean nothing, because you apply them to everything you don't like.

Nobody listens to you.

Spoken like a true…er…something. I’m very careful how I use terms and I was detailed as to why I feel it fits as I’m well aware how it gets thrown around.

Have a nice day

 

[Missourian]

No. It doesn’t.

Do you want your plumber to determine the best course of treatment for colon cancer?

Do you want the the copper pipe manufacturer deciding what is the best kind of pipe to use in you new home build? Newsflash... the answer is always copper.

You let the academics that are enriched by government grants choose which ones they like ... the answer will always be as many as they can get.

 

[Coyote]

Do you want the the copper pipe manufacturer deciding what is the best kind of pipe to use in you new home build? Newsflash... the answer is always copper.

I want the experts in the field who know these products and are up to date on the latest to make that determination. Not the manager of McDonalds and certainly politicians. Actually let’s be real…I’d probably go to Lowe’s and ask the guy who works in plumbing…or Google it.

But when it comes to science, peer review is the best way. Politicizing research is dangerous.

You let the academics that are enriched by government grants choose which ones they like ... the answer will always be as many as they can get.

I don’t think you know how it really works if that is what you think.

If you decide experts in those fields should not determine what research proposals are strong enough, well thought out enough to merit a grant…then who should?

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Spoken like a true…er…something. I’m very careful how I use terms and I was detailed as to why I feel it fits as I’m well aware how it gets thrown around.

Have a nice day

Yep, nobody cares what you call people you disagree with. Your labels hold no weight. Move along.

 

[Coyote]

Yep, nobody cares what you call people you disagree with. Your labels hold no weight. Move along.

Yawn.

 

[Contumacious]

Has Fascism come to America?​

Yup, indeed it has .

The predecessors of the Socialist Demon Rats , ie, the "Progressives " are responsible for enacting two planks from the Communist Manifesto in 1913.

A) The heavy graduated income Tax

and

B) The Federal Reserve Board

the fascism was cemented by FDR who created the vehemoth known as the Regulatory State, aka, The Administrative STate, aka, the Deep State aka the Swamp.

Sad.

 

[Correll]

One feature of Fascism is it often involves a “cult of personality”. In and of itself, that isn’t fascist or necessarily bad. History is full of charismatic figures and leaders. But when it lines up with other features of fascism, it’s a concern. One aspect of a “cult of personality” is controlling the image by controlling the media, either directly with legislation or indirectly through threats, meritless investigations and other means.

Here you open by admitting that being a CHARISMATIC LEADER is not by itself bad, nor fascist.

GOOD FOR YOU.


And teh media by and large is insanely hostile to Trump. So, really that's the end of the thread right there.

Cult of Personality:
cult of personality, a deliberately created system of art, symbolism, and ritual centred on the institutionalized quasi-religious glorification of a specific individual. Since the 20th century, “cult of personality” has been most often used to refer to charismatic leader cults, a type of personality cult which is based on a political leader and designed to enforce their power, magnify their ideology, and legitimize the rule of the government associated with them.

Um, yeah, thanks. Not sure anyone was confused by this...but often helpful to go over the basics.

Trump and the media
While Trump does not exert complete control with how he is portrayed in the media, there are some signs that he is dipping his toe in that pool and adjusting the temperature. Fox News is entirely Trumps mouth piece and has been for some time.

Fox is one network. There are four other major ones, that insanely hostile to Trump to the point of being nothing but "mouth pieces" for the dems.

AND the leftards dominate entertainment, and academia and government.

So.... yeah, the danger of Trump controlling the narrative by CONTROL, is clearly nil.

Bezos, who now owns The Washington Post, has executed a sharp reversal in regards to Trump and this has been reflected in his handling of the paper in regards to political cartoons, editorial section and nixing the long time tradition of the editors endorsing a candidate. It remains to be seen if further changes occur. It is also worth noting Bezos stands to gain millions in government contracts.

Huh. Yep, That's ONE paper. ANd I don't recall ANY leftards mentioning Bezos standing to gain millions from government contracts from the dems before his sudden switch.

Trump has also cut “unfriendly” media from the White House press pool and other government press pools and taken control of how they will be selected in the future in an effort to control how he will be covered.

Much, most, all? of the legacy media, are worst than useless. I note that no leftards has any problems when Biden just STOPPED, talking to the press nor has there been any... real backlash to the way the media gaslighted the ENTIRE NATION about Biden not being in mental decline. Future generations will be amazed at how we just accepted that and moved on.

Biden won the primary. He should have been forced to stay on the ballots. Otherwise, the dems should have had an open convention. The money biden raised should have been returned to the donors. The behavior of the media was... borderline criminal.

And that is ONE example.

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In a speech at the Department of Justice (DOJ), during which Trump railed against people and entities that he claims have targeted him, said he views CNN and MSNBC as corrupt.​

“I believe that CNN and MS-DNC, who literally write 97.6 percent bad about me, are political arms of the Democrat Party and in my opinion, they’re really corrupt and they’re illegal, what do they do is illegal,” Trump said.​

Trump is clearly correct. And considering the... rabid hostility from the vast majority of the media against him, trying to accuse him of controlling the media and thus operating as a "Fascist" is insanely stupid.

 

[Coyote]

Biden won the primary. He should have been forced to stay on the ballots.

Why?

What money should have been returned and was a return demanded by the donors and refused?

A whole lot of voters were unhappy they had no choice when Biden opted to run again and made their voices heard….and there was no real primary.

Why do you even care, you aren’t a Democrat. You don’t vote in their primary.

This is party politics and parties can do what they want with their primaries. They are answerable to their voters only, not the Republicans.

Are the multiple Trump mouthpiece outlets (Fox, NewsMax) talking about his questionable mental state? Why no.

 

[Vrenn]

Here you open by admitting that being a CHARISMATIC LEADER is not by itself bad, nor fascist.

GOOD FOR YOU.


And teh media by and large is insanely hostile to Trump. So, really that's the end of the thread right there.

The orange cheeto has been hostile to anyone that disagrees with him. You want others to play nice with you, play nice with them.

The orange cheeto has filled all but one of the 14 points of Fascism but the last one has stopped him cold. And now, others that have blindly (through fear) backed him are starting to wake up. Yes, Margerate, Woke can be a good thing.

 

[Nostra]

It is. I’m a stickler for reality, hence my concerns about fascism.

 

[Correll]

Why?

Because the people spoke and their voice said, BIDEN. You don't, or SHOULDN'T just be allowed to dismiss that.

What money should have been returned and was a return demanded by the donors and refused?

Because the money was given to BIDEN, not to her. It was in effect, a bait and switch.

A whole lot of voters were unhappy they had no choice when Biden opted to run again and made their voices heard….and there was no real primary.

But there was actually. That the possible alternatives choose to not primary the sitting President was their choice. Especially the ones that knew he was in bad shape and lied about it.

Why do you even care, you aren’t a Democrat. You don’t vote in their primary.

Many reasons, ranging from you dems are part of America, and as you go down in flames, you are taking America with you, in some ways to , if Biden had stayed in the race, Trump's victory could have been even MORE total and even MORE crushing.

Which you people clearly need. You need to be slapped awake.

This is party politics and parties can do what they want with their primaries. They are answerable to their voters only, not the Republicans.

The dems lied to the nation as a whole, when they said Biden was fine. They did not just lie to dems.

Are the multiple Trump mouthpiece outlets (Fox, NewsMax) talking about his questionable mental state? Why no.

Buddy, there is no defense for what the MSM did. You need to own it, and to somehow figure out how to be a lib in a world where you admit that the lefty media is... completely and totaly broken to the point that the right answer is to destroy it.


AND, that is just the most clear cut and recent example. I could go on. Would you like some other great examples?

 

[Mac1958]

Yawn.

The question remains, and I'll probably never get it answered: Do these people not realize what they're enabling, or do they realize exactly what they're enabling?

Looking for clues, their twisted perceptions and manipulated "knowledge" of history leads me to believe they're primarily unwitting rubes. But I imagine some of them would fit right in at a dinner table with Benito.

 

[Correll]

The orange cheeto has been hostile to anyone that disagrees with him. You want others to play nice with you, play nice with them.

The orange cheeto has filled all but one of the 14 points of Fascism but the last one has stopped him cold. And now, others that have blindly (through fear) backed him are starting to wake up. Yes, Margerate, Woke can be a good thing.

The point of this thread is not that we should all play nice together.

THe point is the op's claim that Trump's relationship with the media fits one of the "14 points".

My post showed that that was not only not true, but that claiming it was ******* retarded.

Your response was to pretend to not know what the point of the discussion was.


That is YOU dismissing the OP.


So, yeah.

 

[Correll]

The question remains, and I'll probably never get it answered: Do these people not realize what they're enabling, or do they realize exactly what they're enabling?

Looking for clues, their twisted perceptions and manipulated "knowledge" of history leads me to believe they're primarily unwitting rubes. But I imagine some of them would fit right in at a dinner table with Benito.

The media is insanely hostile to Trump. The claim that he fits the "14 points" point of controlling the media is insanely stupid.

 

[Vrenn]

The media is insanely hostile to Trump. The claim that he fits the "14 points" point of controlling the media is insanely stupid.

His method of attempting to control the media is just one point in the 14 points of Fascism. Damn, can't you even keep your lie on track without sounding like a complete (not partial) idiot, MAGAt.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Why yes. It has. MAGA!

Seriously though, I never thought I would see this.


Source: What Is Fascism?

“Many experts agree that fascism is a mass political movement that emphasizes extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of the nation over the individual. This model of government stands in contrast to liberal democracies that support individual rights, competitive elections, and political dissent.

In many ways, fascist regimes are revolutionary in nature. They advocate for the overthrow of existing systems of government and the persecution of political enemies. However, such regimes are also highly conservative in their championing of traditional values.

And although fascist leaders typically claim to support the everyman, in reality, their regimes often align with powerful business interests.”


Sound familiar? It should.

Existing forms of government are being overthrown through the destruction of our institutions with the Executive usurping powers traditionally given to Congress and openly defying the courts when checked.

Note the last line: aligned with powerful business interests: Musk (who is raking in millions in government contracts), Bezos, Zuckerberg.


Characteristics of Facism:

Extreme Nationalism - check.

Fascist leaders believe in the supremacy of certain groups of people based on characteristics such as race, religion, ethnicity, and nationality.


Cult of personality - check.

Fascist regimes cultivate images of their leaders as great figures to be loved and admired. This cult of personality is often perpetuated through mass media and propaganda. …The Pope chalked up Il Duce’s survival of assassination attempts to divine intervention, adding to Mussolini’s mystique.


How did Fascists come to power? This is interesting, because it tracks what has actually been happening.

“It wasn’t overnight. History laid the groundwork – a pattern of liberal decay.

First, fascist parties gained a foothold in government through initially democratic means. However, over time, the party consolidated power, and ultimately secured their dictatorship.”

Note: Trump is seeking ways for a 3rd term and a Congressman is creating a bill to create a path to a 3rd term that only applies to Trump’s situation.

a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition

I don't know. I think the right are very nationalistic, but just in the sense of pride in their country. The individual, or the people, are the ones who matter. They just expect the rule of law and adherence to our founding documents.

As far as social regimentarion.. that could be seen as both sides, but again, i think it seems more left wing, because, while you do have a subset of right wingers who want try and control others, most just want to be left alone..and leave the kids alone. Democrats are not happy just living their own lives, they want to control how you live yours by forcing you to comply with their principles.

And then there is forcible suppression of opposition. If the left had their way, they'd use government to force people who don't agree into submission. They would cancel culture everyone, and riot and destroy people's lives until they get what they want

 

[Coyote]

The question remains, and I'll probably never get it answered: Do these people not realize what they're enabling, or do they realize exactly what they're enabling?

It confounds me…both what they are enabling and the inability to see they are setting precedents that should a similarly ruthless morally compromised Democrat…all this would be turned on them. For an ideology that is supposed to be about freedom, rights and law ….well, it isn’t anymore.

Looking for clues, their twisted perceptions and manipulated "knowledge" of history leads me to believe they're primarily unwitting rubes. But I imagine some of them would fit right in at a dinner table with Benito.

It reminds me very much of Mussolini.

 

[Coyote]

Because the people spoke and their voice said, BIDEN. You don't, or SHOULDN'T just be allowed to dismiss that.

You can’t force a candidate to run. Again, this is internal party politics and rules here, not laws.

Because the money was given to BIDEN, not to her. It was in effect, a bait and switch.

It’s perfectly legal and the money was given to the Biden/Harris ticket, not each separately.

But there was actually. That the possible alternatives choose to not primary the sitting President was their choice. Especially the ones that knew he was in bad shape and lied about it.

It wasn’t exactly the voter’s choice. When the incumbent is on the ticket, the party traditionally supports him and won’t throw their support (and massive campaign dollars) behind another candidate. You can have others on the ticket, but they are usually weak and fall away. Look at Trunp’s primary in 2020 for example.

Many reasons, ranging from you dems are part of America, and as you go down in flames, you are taking America with you, in some ways to , if Biden had stayed in the race, Trump's victory could have been even MORE total and even MORE crushing.

Meh. I’m not a member of any party. But, I now see why you guys are so upset Biden dropped out, you wanted a “crushing” “total” defeat (and therefore a mandate) and instead your guy barely won with the one of the thinnest margins of victory in 60 years and one of the lowest approval ratings fora new president. Considering Harris had only a few months to develop a campaign and sell herself to America, I’m impressed she did so well. The Dem voters seem happier with her than Biden.

Which you people clearly need. You need to be slapped awake.




The dems lied to the nation as a whole, when they said Biden was fine. They did not just lie to dems.

Parties CAN and do. There is no law against it. I don’t see the Dems complaining nor their voters. In fact, the only ones who are seem to be Republicans.

Buddy, there is no defense for what the MSM did. You need to own it, and to somehow figure out how to be a lib in a world where you admit that the lefty media is... completely and totaly broken to the point that the right answer is to destroy it.

This is just laughable given the way rightwing MSM works. So you want destroy media with opposing views and allow only media that supports your policies and president? Really?

Did you see the grotesque “dear leader” cabinet meeting? Is that how media should report stuff?