Happy Hiroshima Day!

[BackAgain]

Proving again you know nothing. The Japanese people were starving by 1945. Most of their young fighting age men were dead or overseas. They had no air or sea capabilities.

The people had no arms in which to fight, unless you fear pitchforks. You are a pussy so you likely think pitchforks would stop the world’s greatest military.

You prove in a regular basis that you “know” absolutely nothing. Gimp: face facts. You’re 52 cards short of a full deck.

The military analyses that went into the decision — back then —from actual military advisors considered the prospect of us losing men (killed in action) and non-fatal casualties of being minimally about a quarter of a million.

http://theamericanpresident.us/images/projections.pdf

It seems obvious that their views were not only better informed than yours, but also far more reliable. And that doesn’t even consider the resulting slaughter of Japanese soldiers and civilians. Gimp, you’re just another in a long line of self important but woefully ignorant gibbering chimpanzees. Fuck off, you dopey troll.

 

[AZrailwhale]

What infrastructure does the Taliban have?

Yet they beat the US and USSR, two largest military forces in the world.

Again, know your history

The Taliban didn't beat either the USA or the USSR. It simply outlasted them while losing every battle. That's something religious fanatics are good at. When death is better than living, it's easy to keep fighting an endless war.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Not really.

You have to understand what Japan's war aims were at that point. They wanted to retain some of their territorial gains, and retain the Emperor on the throne. In short, they wanted a return to the pre-war status quo.

They had hoped the USSR would broker a peace deal, but once the USSR had entered the war in the Pacific, that became impossible.

The other part of the story was that the US backed down from it's demand, in that they stopped insisting on Hirohito's abdication

Other than having a number of friends who were there preparing for the invasion and talking with my best friends dad who was an Imperial Japanese Army officer preparing the defense of the homeland and a WW2 historian (European theater more for disclosure) what am I missing?

Japan had zero intention of surrendering until the 2nd bomb.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The Taliban didn't beat either the USA or the USSR. It simply outlasted them while losing every battle. That's something religious fanatics are good at. When death is better than living, it's easy to keep fighting an endless war.

He who controls the land won the war.

 

[gipper]

the plan was to use bamboo spears and to human wave attack the invasion beaches

Yeah and you think they could have beaten the US military. Lol.

 

[gipper]

What infrastructure does the Taliban have?

Yet they beat the US and USSR, two largest military forces in the world.

Again, know your history

Silly. The Japanese were a first world nation at the time. They weren’t goat herders and living in caves. They had massive cities with first world infrastructure.

Again, we need to understand history.

 

[BothWings]

And here is your exploding birthday cake!

 

[gipper]

A lot more people of both nations would have been killed in a US invasion of the Japanese homeland, than by a couple of A-bombs.

Further, the USSR was threatening to invade and partition Japan as well. Would the world have been better off with a wholely or partially Communist Japan? I suppose that even if America hadn't dropped the A-bomb, Japan would still have surrendered in very quick order before that would have happened.

But President Truman was unwilling to take that risk.

An invasion was never necessary, unless you’re an imperialist. Japan was completely defenseless. It’s military entirely destroyed. Accept their surrender terms and go home, but imperialists don’t do the right thing.

 

[gipper]

Not really.

You have to understand what Japan's war aims were at that point. They wanted to retain some of their territorial gains, and retain the Emperor on the throne. In short, they wanted a return to the pre-war status quo.

They had hoped the USSR would broker a peace deal, but once the USSR had entered the war in the Pacific, that became impossible.

The other part of the story was that the US backed down from it's demand, in that they stopped insisting on Hirohito's abdication

Yes, the US accepted the one requirement, that we leave the emperor alone…but only after Truman incinerated thousands of defenseless women and children. WAR CRIMINAL!

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Yeah and you think they could have beaten the US military. Lol.

they didnt plan to beat us just cost us enough to make us agree to terms.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Yes, the US accepted the one requirement, that we leave the emperor alone…but only after Truman incinerated thousands of defenseless women and children. WAR CRIMINAL!

we did not ask for the Emperor ever. Our terms never said he had to leave,

 

[gipper]

they didnt plan to beat us just cost us enough to make us agree to terms.

Yeah like leave the emperor alone which Truman agreed to, only after his war crime. Somehow this means nothing to you.

 

[gipper]

we did not ask for the Emperor ever. Our terms never said he had to leave,

Yes it did. The Japanese feared the USG would hang the emperor in front of the palace.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Yes it did. The Japanese feared the USG would hang the emperor in front of the palace.

except you can not link to any such plan nor demand ever by the US or allies.

 

[gipper]

except you can not link to any such plan nor demand ever by the US or allies.

Idiot. Do you not know what unconditional surrender means?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Idiot. Do you not know what unconditional surrender means?

it means we set the conditions now provide a link to the US EVER saying they would do anything to the Emperor or admit you are a fool and liar.

 

[gipper]

it means we set the conditions now provide a link to the US EVER saying they would do anything to the Emperor or admit you are a fool and liar.

Lol.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Lol.

I see you cant do it thanks for admitting you are a retard.

 

[gipper]

I see you cant do it thanks for admitting you are a retard.

Lol

 

[Borillar]

The devious Japanese laughed like hell at the Americans about Pearl Harbor. I remember as a kid , Japanese sports heroes like Professor Tanaka and Mr. Fuji poking fun at us "stupid Americans". At Hiroshima, they got their comeuppance.

Wrestling isn't real. Wrestling heels Professor Tanaka and Mr Fuji were both Americans born in Hawaii.

That said, if you mess with a bull, you get the horns. Japan found that out the hard way.