Happy Hiroshima Day!

[fncceo]

Happy Day.
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The B-29 is a very pretty ship. It was, in fact, the most expensive development program of the war, including The Manhattan Project.

I remember reading somewhere that a member of The Japanese Royal Family wrote a poem about the beautiful, silver plane, that was raining down destruction.

 

[gipper]

America bombed the hell out of both Japanese and German cities full of women and children during WW2.

Nothing that terribly remarkable about the A-Bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki except for the fact that they were single bombs instead of waves of bombers which America deployed on other targets.

All heinous acts and all war crimes,for which no one has been prosecuted.

 

[Weatherman2020]

There were no women and children in the Japanese Imperial Military. Our military base was attacked by an enemy military. We defeated that military, as we should have. Then we put hundreds of thousands of AMERICAN CITIZENS into fdr CONCENTRATION CAMPS, and finally slaughtered hundreds of thousands of civilians in a defeated nation. America is supposed to be better than that.

Disagree if you are willing to accept that you hate America and are no better than the worst terrorist scumbag.

March 1945: every single male age 15 to 60 and every single female age 17 to 40 was now a combatant. And with no uniforms that made every civilian a legitimate target.

 

[Weatherman2020]

All heinous acts and all war crimes,for which no one has been prosecuted.

March 1945: every single male age 15 to 60 and every single female age 17 to 40 was now a combatant. And with no uniforms that made every civilian a legitimate target.

 

[gipper]

March 1945: every single male age 15 to 60 and every single female age 17 to 40 was now a combatant. And with no uniforms that made every civilian a legitimate target.

Absurd. You whackos believe in total war until it comes to your town, then it’s a war crime.

Most of them were starving and unarmed. Nearly all able bodied Japanese men were already in the military.

 

[HenryBHough]

"Back"?
I was born, raised, and have lived most of my life in Boston. What the **** are you talking about?

All liberals lie. So when are you returning to the land you hold so dear that you have wet dreams about it having won World War II?

 

[JoeB131]

A yes, the Annual Argument over Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

A few points.

1) The bombing was probably unnecessary because Japan was already looking to surrender.
2) The entry of the USSR into the Pacific War probably had a lot more to do with Japan's ultimate surrender, as it opened up the war on a couple more fronts they weren't ready for.
3) Much of the handwringing we do every year is probably more of a reflection on us. Yes, WE'VE had to live with generations of the specter of nuclear annihilation, duck and cover, Mad Max movies, and so on. To the people at the time, the war had already dragged on for six years, 70 million had died, and to them, the A-Bomb was just another weapon in a war that had seen so many new and awful weapons.
4) In many ways, we should be HAPPY that Hiroshima had happened. Imagine a world where these weapons were stockpiled, and we had no idea what they did to people.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Absurd. You whackos believe in total war until it comes to your town, then it’s a war crime.

Most of them were starving and unarmed. Nearly all able bodied Japanese men were already in the military.

No shock you call actual history absurd. Everyone with your opinion about WW2 is just as ignorant as you.

 

[Weatherman2020]

A yes, the Annual Argument over Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

A few points.

1) The bombing was probably unnecessary because Japan was already looking to surrender.
2) The entry of the USSR into the Pacific War probably had a lot more to do with Japan's ultimate surrender, as it opened up the war on a couple more fronts they weren't ready for.
3) Much of the handwringing we do every year is probably more of a reflection on us. Yes, WE'VE had to live with generations of the specter of nuclear annihilation, duck and cover, Mad Max movies, and so on. To the people at the time, the war had already dragged on for six years, 70 million had died, and to them, the A-Bomb was just another weapon in a war that had seen so many new and awful weapons.
4) In many ways, we should be HAPPY that Hiroshima had happened. Imagine a world where these weapons were stockpiled, and we had no idea what they did to people.

Again, CluelessMaximus about history.

Japanese Army attempted a coup to keep the war going even after the 2nd bomb.

 

[BackAgain]

America bombed the hell out of both Japanese and German cities full of women and children during WW2.

Nothing that terribly remarkable about the A-Bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki except for the fact that they were single bombs instead of waves of bombers which America deployed on other targets.

That’s actually true. I didn’t know for most of my life what we did to wage war against the Japanese Empire on their homeland. When I say “we” I mean mostly the American military with its amazing air power. The difference between incinerating large cities with heavy bombing raids and incendiary bombs (on highly flammable civilian population centers) and doing so with one bomb each on two such mostly civilian targets is not that much of a difference.

That said, I don’t doubt for one moment that the Japanese people were fully prepared to fight to the last man, woman and available child against their “enemy” if we had not chosen to make use of the military methods then employed. The casualties to both sides would have been vastly worse.

 

[Weatherman2020]

There were no civilians in Japan.

When 1945 began, Japanese leaders recognized their nation’s dark military situation, but they rejected any form of surrender. Instead, they devised a sequenced military and political strategy called Ketsu Go (Operation Decisive.) Its fundamental premise: Americans possessed enormous material power but their morale was brittle. The plan aimed to meet the initial invasion of Japan (which they correctly anticipated would be on southern Kyushu) with massive ground and air forces. These would either defeat the invasion attempt or at least inflict such horrific casualties—American and Japanese--that American will to continue the war would be broken. Then in the second phase of the plan, Japan would obtain a negotiated settlement of the war, far from the declared American aim of the unconditional surrender of Japan. That settlement would certainly preclude an occupation of Japan and guarantee that the old order would continue.

The Japanese armed forces burgeoned in 1945 under urgent mobilization from about 4.5 million men under arms to over 6 million by August. But in March, Japan mustered a vast additional body of combatants: every single male age 15 to 60 and every single female age 17 to 40. This inducted about a quarter or more of Japan’s total population, about 18 to 20 million people. Japan lacked uniforms or any other visible marker to distinguish this new sea of combatants from the remaining civilian population. Multiple millions of these nearly mobilized former male and female civilians now combatants, would be in the Kyushu invasion area.

 

[gipper]

That’s actually true. I didn’t know for most of my life what we did to wage war against the Japanese Empire on their homeland. When I say “we” I mean mostly the American military with its amazing air power. The difference between incinerating large cities with heavy bombing raids and incendiary bombs (on highly flammable civilian population centers) and doing so with one bomb each on two such mostly civilian targets is not that much of a difference.

That said, I don’t doubt for one moment that the Japanese people were fully prepared to fight to the last man, woman and available child against their “enemy” if we had not chosen to make use of the military methods then employed. The casualties to both sides would have been vastly worse.

Proving again you know nothing. The Japanese people were starving by 1945. Most of their young fighting age men were dead or overseas. They had no air or naval capabilities.

The people had no arms in which to fight, unless you fear pitchforks. You are a ***** so you likely think pitchforks would stop the world’s greatest military.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Proving again you know nothing. The Japanese people were starving by 1945. Most of their young fighting age men were dead or overseas. They had no air or naval capabilities.

The people had no arms in which to fight, unless you fear pitchforks. You are a ***** so you likely think pitchforks would stop the world’s greatest military.

the plan was to use bamboo spears and to human wave attack the invasion beaches

 

[Polishprince]

Proving again you know nothing. The Japanese people were starving by 1945. Most of their young fighting age men were dead or overseas. They had no air or sea capabilities.

The people had no arms in which to fight, unless you fear pitchforks. You are a ***** so you likely think pitchforks would stop the world’s greatest military.

A lot more people of both nations would have been killed in a US invasion of the Japanese homeland, than by a couple of A-bombs.

Further, the USSR was threatening to invade and partition Japan as well. Would the world have been better off with a wholely or partially Communist Japan? I suppose that even if America hadn't dropped the A-bomb, Japan would still have surrendered in very quick order before that would have happened.

But President Truman was unwilling to take that risk.

 

[JoeB131]

Japanese Army attempted a coup to keep the war going even after the 2nd bomb.

Wow, you think Coups are bad things now?

A coup that went nowhere and had more to do with the Emperor considering surrender due to the USSR entering the war than the bombs.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Wow, you think Coups are bad things now?

A coup that went nowhere and had more to do with the Emperor considering surrender due to the USSR entering the war than the bombs.

you make shit up in every new thread on this.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Proving again you know nothing. The Japanese people were starving by 1945. Most of their young fighting age men were dead or overseas. They had no air or naval capabilities.

The people had no arms in which to fight, unless you fear pitchforks. You are a ***** so you likely think pitchforks would stop the world’s greatest military.

What infrastructure does the Taliban have?

Yet they beat the US and USSR, two largest military forces in the world.

Again, know your history

 

[Weatherman2020]

Wow, you think Coups are bad things now?

A coup that went nowhere and had more to do with the Emperor considering surrender due to the USSR entering the war than the bombs.

Without the bombs the Emperor would have had the same opinion about the war he had on August 1 and August 21.

 

[JoeB131]

A lot more people of both nations would have been killed in a US invasion of the Japanese homeland, than by a couple of A-bombs.

Further, the USSR was threatening to invade and partition Japan as well. Would the world have been better off with a wholely or partially Communist Japan? I suppose that even if America hadn't dropped the A-bomb, Japan would still have surrendered in very quick order before that would have happened.

But President Truman was unwilling to take that risk.

Actually, the US had already agreed to a partition of Japan with the USSR, the UK and China.

Then we did backsies and Stalin didn't care because he ALREADY had his hands full with Eastern Europe and China.

 

[JoeB131]

Without the bombs the Emperor would have had the same opinion about the war he had on August 1 and August 21.

Not really.

You have to understand what Japan's war aims were at that point. They wanted to retain some of their territorial gains, and retain the Emperor on the throne. In short, they wanted a return to the pre-war status quo.

They had hoped the USSR would broker a peace deal, but once the USSR had entered the war in the Pacific, that became impossible.

The other part of the story was that the US backed down from it's demand, in that they stopped insisting on Hirohito's abdication