Hamas Leader Killed

[Sherlock Holmes]

I do not support the killing of all Palestinians.

Who accused you of that?

That would be genocide. Which I have already very clearly said I do not support.

What about if 40% were killed? not genocide?

 

[Shusha]

What about if 40% were killed? not genocide?

Its not about the numbers. Its about the intent. We've been over this.

 

[gipper]

I do not support the killing of all Palestinians. That would be genocide. Which I have already very clearly said I do not support.

Okay. Thank you. Now let’s say they murder 500,000 Palis. Do you still support?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Its not about the numbers. Its about the intent. We've been over this.

Ahh yes, that was the exchange in which I pointed out that the ICC has lots of evidence not (yet) public and so claiming there's no evidence of genocide is rather presumptuous.

 

[Shusha]

Okay. Thank you. Now let’s say they murder 500,000 Palis. Do you still support?

Same answer as I gave Sherlock. The numbers are irrelevant. The measure is intent.

Did you care to answer my question?

 

[Shusha]

Ahh yes, that was the exchange in which I pointed out that the ICC has lots of evidence not (yet) public and so claiming there's no evidence of genocide is rather presumptuous.

Exactly. As I've said, if new information becomes available to me, then I will consider revising my opinion.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Its not about the numbers. Its about the intent. We've been over this.

Here's more evidence of intent - like we needed more:

Israel set to pass laws Monday that will heavily restrict UNRWA in Gaza, West Bank

Similarly, writing to Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and Strategic Affairs Minister Ron Dermer last week, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin expressed concern over the bills.

The senior American officials stated that while they recognized Jerusalem’s concerns over some UNRWA members’ ties to Hamas and involvement in the October 7 onslaught, they believed that the “enactment of such restrictions would devastate the Gaza humanitarian response” as well as the provision of “vital” services in East Jerusalem.

Block UNRWA -> Kill more Palestinians, if something can be used as a weapon the Zionist will use it as a weapon.

 

[Shusha]

Here's more evidence of intent - like we needed more:

Israel set to pass laws Monday that will heavily restrict UNRWA in Gaza, West Bank



Block UNRWA -> Kill more Palestinians, if something can be used as a weapon the Zionist will use it as a weapon.

An excellent self-defense strategy applied to an organization that has not only long since outlived its usefulness, but has become corrupt and filled with terrorist ideas and literal terrorists.

 

[gipper]

Same answer as I gave Sherlock. The numbers are irrelevant. The measure is intent.

Did you care to answer my question?

No doubt you find this acceptable.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

An excellent self-defense strategy applied to an organization that has not only long since outlived its usefulness, but has become corrupt and filled with terrorist ideas and literal terrorists.

Or to put it more succinctly:

 

[Shusha]

No doubt you find this acceptable.

Obviously, it is a terrible, awful tragedy.

It would depend on what you mean by "acceptable". If Israel intentionally targeted protected people, it is a war crime. If Hamas embedded weapons or other military objectives in a protected place, it is a war crime.

The question, then, is whether Hamas or Israel committed a war crime. I have every reason to believe it was Hamas.

Also: my question, which you haven't answered, is: Are all wars genocides, or only some?

 

[gipper]

Obviously, it is a terrible, awful tragedy.

It would depend on what you mean by "acceptable". If Israel intentionally targeted protected people, it is a war crime. If Hamas embedded weapons or other military objectives in a protected place, it is a war crime.

The question, then, is whether Hamas or Israel committed a war crime. I have every reason to believe it was Hamas.

Also: my question, which you haven't answered, is: Are all wars genocides, or only some?

It’s a war crime, among thousands committed by your nation of Israel.

 

[Shusha]

It’s a war crime, among thousands committed by your nation of Israel.

It is a war crime, one committed by Hamas. So let's break this down. As clarification, are we disagreeing on points of fact, or on points of law?

IF Hamas embedded military objectives in or close to a protected place such as a hospital, would you agree that Hamas has committed a war crime?

Still question. Are all wars genocides? Just a yes or no is fine.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Hamas Leader Killed
SUBTOPIC: The Final Resolution of Territories
⁜→ Sherlock, et al,

I never used the term "Israeli supremacy" but "Jew supremacy". If you think it does not differ from other examples then what are those other examples?

(COMMENT)

The descriptive phrase "Israeli Supremacy" relates to the reality of Sovereign Power over the state's territory. There is no such thing as "Jewish Supremacy." That is a political term used by Arab Palestinians as a propaganda tool.

What's the significance of a phrase being "mentioned" during a conference?

(COMMENT)

The Principal Allied Powers (alla San Remo Conference), exercising the authority (tacit approval) recognized by the League of Nations (as the body of nations extending oversight for the Mandate and issuing directives) decided that there was a "historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine," and proceeded to present the "Mandatory for Palestine" full powers of legislation and of administration to affect the establishment of the Jewish national home.

I disagree, the Zionist understanding of the phrase "Jewish National Home" differs dramatically from the understanding and expectations of the Palestinians and most of the world's general public. The Dutch colonialists regard South Africa as their home but did so in a way that collectively disadvantaged blacks - today this inequitable form of society is called apartheid and our understanding of ideas like a "national home" are likewise more enlightened.

(COMMENT)

This makes the mistake of assuming that the "world's general public" → of a century ago → makes the same interpretation of the various phrases in many establishment documents as has been applied here. I object based on the grounds that you cannot possibly know what interpretations were being made by the "world's general public" on the matter of Israel.

When the implementation of "home" for a specific race/group begins to breach human rights laws of people outside of that race/group it must be resisted and dismantled.

(COMMENT)

Exactly, what Human Rights Laws were in place during the period of the League of Nations? The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) was adopted by the General Assembly [GA/RES/217A (10 DEC 1948) it is technically NOT Law; and furthermore it comes decades later that the San Remo Convention, the Palestine Order in Council, the Mandate for Palestine, etc.

AND

Israel is not an apartheid state as the data shows.

Ethnic groups in Israel​

Jewish 73.5% (of which Israel-born 79.7%, Europe/America/Oceania-born 14.3%, Africa-born 3.9%, Asia-born 2.1%), Arab 21.1%, other 5.4% (2022 est.)​

Religions​

Jewish 73.5%, Muslim 18.1%, Christian 1.9%, Druze 1.6%, other 4.9% (2022 est.)​

The Hostile Arab Palestinians that sling such accusations is meant to be inflammatory and emotional.

This is why there is so much hatred toward Israel by those who are disadvantaged by it, the racist state describes itself as a "Jewish National Home" as if this is just some reasonable and innocuous even admirable goal but it is nothing more than a deceptive use of language.

(COMMENT)

The establishment of the term "Jewish National Home" was a descriptive used by the Principal Allied Powers over a century ago.

Note too, how it does not object to "Jews" or to a "Jewish National Home" but to the "Zionist entity" much as we'd today object to a "Nazi entity" as in fact we have seen in recent election in Europe, a disdain for extreme nationalism.

(COMMENT)

The description "Zionist Entity" is no more damaging as a threat to the Arabs of Israel than the "Islamist Party" is to the Jewish constituency.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toomuchtime_]

No doubt you find this acceptable.
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No, it's not acceptable at all, and the Palestinian leaders who made this war necessary should be held accountable for this and all the other deaths in Gaza on both sides. As horrible as this war is, when Hamas celebrated Oct 7 by promising to continue to massacre Jews until Israel was destroyed unless Israel destroyed them first, they made this war inevitable and made Hamas' control of Gaza impossible. When the Palestinians stop trying to destroy Israel, this war will finally be over.

 

[gipper]

No, it's not acceptable at all, and the Palestinian leaders who made this war necessary should be held accountable for this and all the other deaths in Gaza on both sides. As horrible as this war is, when Hamas celebrated Oct 7 by promising to continue to massacre Jews until Israel was destroyed unless Israel destroyed them first, they made this war inevitable and made Hamas' control of Gaza impossible. When the Palestinians stop trying to destroy Israel, this war will finally be over.

Dumb as always.

 

[gipper]

It is a war crime, one committed by Hamas. So let's break this down. As clarification, are we disagreeing on points of fact, or on points of law?

IF Hamas embedded military objectives in or close to a protected place such as a hospital, would you agree that Hamas has committed a war crime?

Still question. Are all wars genocides? Just a yes or no is fine.

Compare the numbers killed and wounded by Hamas with that of your nation of Israel?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Compare the numbers killed and wounded by Hamas with that of your nation of Israel?

Are you sad because Hamas hasn't killed more Jews?

 

[gipper]

Are you sad because Hamas hasn't killed more Jews?

STFU stupid Nazi.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

STFU stupid Nazi.

Mumbling twat.