Hamas Leader Killed

[daveman]

The establishment of the Jewish National Home (the state now called Israel) was
made by the Allied Powers after the conclusion of the Great War (WW I).


adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people,


It was a decision made by the Victorious Powers

A massive data dump to convey an idea that can be summed up in 7 words:

Israel is a creation of european colonialism.

Jews have been living in Israel for 3,000 years.

 

[José]

Originally posted by daveman
Jews have been living in Israel for 3,000 years.

True.

And this is one of their arabized descendants:

not this clown from Poland:

 

[Billo_Really]

Not even in the slightest. I have always advocated for Palestinian right to self-determination. Still do.

No, they don't. Very little land was privately owned. The land system of the Ottoman Empire is not equivalent to western land systems and is complicated. To simplify it to this soundbyte is not accurate.

And again, private land ownership is not the same as sovereignty and self-determination. Sovereignty is not determined by land ownership or by residency.

So, you murdered another 150 Palestinians, most of them children.

Many Children Among Hundreds Killed, Wounded in Latest Israeli Bombings of Gaza | Common Dreams

"Our ambulances can't transfer wounded people," said one overwhelmed hospital director. "Those who can arrive by themselves to the hospital receive care, but those who don't just die in the streets."

www.commondreams.org

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Evidence of institutionalized discrimination and/or segregation based on race (ethnicity) within territory under the sovereignty of Israel (commonly called "Israel proper").

I will NOT accept:

• social racial (ethnic) discrimination of the sort which is common to all nations
• voluntary social and cultural preferences
• discrimination based on citizenship or nationality

I see no reason to not adopt the Rome Statute definition that is the law that arose from the Apartheid Convention this is the Rome Statute definition:

This is the "Paragraph 1" referred to:

Article 7
Crimes against humanity​

1. For the purpose of this Statute, “crime against humanity” means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:

• (a) Murder;
• (b) Extermination;
• (c) Enslavement;
• (d) Deportation or forcible transfer of population;
• (e) Imprisonment or other severe deprivation of physical liberty in violation offundamental rules of international law;
• (f) Torture;
• (g) Rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, enforcedsterilization, or any other form of sexual violence of comparable gravity;
• (h) Persecution against any identifiable group or collectivity on political, racial,national, ethnic, cultural, religious, gender as defined in paragraph 3, or othergrounds that are universally recognized as impermissible under internationallaw, in connection with any act referred to in this paragraph or any crimewithin the jurisdiction of the Court;
• (i) Enforced disappearance of persons;
• (j) The crime of apartheid;
• (k) Other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health.

Any of the above which are "committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime".

Do you see any good reason why this should not be used?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Jews have been living in Israel for 3,000 years.

So have numerous other groups, hardly groundbreaking news, the region shows signs of human presence as far back as at least 10,000 BC long before the first Jew existed.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

You're a chickenshit. No way around that simple fact. You kiss Hamas and Hezbollah ass because they're killing the Jews you're too cowardly to kill.

No Sir, I disagree with you, that's all that's going on here a disagreement with no need for invective or hysterical personal attacks. Let This example show you what I mean, a difference of opinion between a rational man (me) and a bigot (you) who glorifies genocide and racial prejudice - please substitute "towel head" wherever you hear the word "Ni**er" or "Jew" so that it is easier for you to understand:

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

You did.

Why do you think that? here's what I wrote:

Yes, as far as I'm concerned the state of Israel was not the outcome of a democratic process involving all of the region's inhabitants. It was imposed by foreign powers and for that reason has no legitimacy - in my view.

See? no mention of "Koran" or "Bible" so put that straitjacket back on and pipe down.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

They weren't terrorists? Even the ones in Hamas?

You're asking me? so you actually don't know how many were terrorists, do you?

Pallywood is the fake videos Arabs make showing how awful Israel is. Some are quite hilarious.

How do you establish which ones are "fake"? cross check with the IDF?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Thing is, you want a genocide.

Normal people do not. I am a normal person. I do not want a genocide of anyone.

You're fucked in the head.

Yes, you are normal, normal for a racial supremacist Zionist, very normal, very typical.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

RE: Hamas Leader Killed
SUBTOPIC: The Final Resolution of Territories
⁜→ Shusha, Sherlock, et al,

(OPENING)

There is a concept and a doctrine pertaining to judgments and judicial precedents that essentially follows the path that says: "Let the decision stand."

The establishment of the Jewish National Home (the state now called Israel) was made by the Allied Powers after the conclusion of the Great War (WW I). It was a decision made by the Victorious Powers at the Castle Devachan in San Remo over a century ago. The protocols for the decisions were not unlike those made at the conclusions of conflicts in the century prior and those made for the century afterward.




(COMMENT)

Correct!

The decisions made and the tools that were developed by the Victorious were not made by means of a "Democratic Process." The decisions were made by the leadership of the principal Democratic Nations that were responsible for the defeat of the Axis Powers and the responsibility over the administration of the Occupied Enemy Territories (all of which were former territories of the Ottoman Turkish Empire which collapsed under Allied Military pressure). With the exception of the Arab military administration over the Levant (mostly Heshimite) that was operating within the British Sector, the decisions on the land disposition pertaining to the territory west of (what is now) Iraq were made without consultation with the (what is now).

The true reality [which the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) do not deny] is recorded:



The HoAP had multiple occasions to participate in the framework for a self-governing territory that would probably look very much different than what the levant looks like today. But they declined. They simply did not want to cooperate.




(COMMENT)

Our friend "Shusha" is 100% on the money here.

If there is a question of "Israeli Supremecy" then how does that differ from the regional, political, or economic influence - or any other hegemony attempts?

I never used the term "Israeli supremacy" but "Jew supremacy". If you think it does not differ from other examples then what are those other examples?

We should remember that the Principal Allied Powers made mention in the San Remo Conference to the Council of the League of Nations that: "and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people,"

What's the significance of a phrase being "mentioned" during a conference?

Keep in mind that the HoAP campaign to take by force the territory as stated in the Document of General Principles & Policies is in direct conflict with the idea of a "Jewish National Home."

I disagree, the Zionist understanding of the phrase "Jewish National Home" differs dramatically from the understanding and expectations of the Palestinians and most of the world's general public. The Dutch colonialists regard South Africa as their home but did so in a way that collectively disadvantaged blacks - today this inequitable form of society is called apartheid and our understanding of ideas like a "national home" are likewise more enlightened.

When the implementation of "home" for a specific race/group begins to breach human rights laws of people outside of that race/group it must be resisted and dismantled. This is why there is so much hatred toward Israel by those who are disadvantaged by it, the racist state describes itself as a "Jewish National Home" as if this is just some reasonable and innocuous even admirable goal but it is nothing more than a deceptive use of language.

Israel has constructed a society that has institutionalized racism towards non-Jews and when this is objected to we get the all too typical reaction from Zionists and their apologists that Israel is simply establishing the "Jewish National Home" and that noble, harmless sounding goal is then portrayed as under threat from radical Muslims and deep seated antisemitic forces.

The reality is that "Jewish National Home" is a tepid label that masks an underlying deep seated Jew supremacy and extreme nationalism.

This is Zionist propaganda, always based on portraying Jews, especially Jews in Israel as being "victims" struggling against the dark forces of antisemitism when in fact Zionism in Palestine has systematically abused non-Jews from the time of the first world war.

The Land of Palestine:

1. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.
2. Palestine is an Arab Islamic land. It is a blessed sacred land that has a special place in the heart of every Arab and every Muslim.

Note that the document you cited was not the Hamas Charter but an Israeli document which interprets the (old) Hamas Charter, that interpretation is Zionist and relies on Zionist tropes and is again propaganda. Here is the unabridged current Hamas Charter.

Note too, how it does not object to "Jews" or to a "Jewish National Home" but to the "Zionist entity" much as we'd today object to a "Nazi entity" as in fact we have seen in recent election in Europe, a disdain for extreme nationalism.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Arabs foresaw what Israel would become, they knew very well where the Zionist implementation of a "Jewish National Home" would lead and that's why they resisted even back then. The world has all but ignored their cries and warning for over a hundred years now, hence they have and will no doubt continue, to rely on "terrorism" to seek redress for one of the greatest ongoing crimes against humanity since Roman times.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How do you establish which ones are "fake"?

Some are pretty easy. Like when the guy on the stretcher gets dropped and jumps back on.
Or the ones when you recognize the actors from other Pallywood productions.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Some are pretty easy. Like when the guy on the stretcher gets dropped and jumps back on.

That proves someone's a terrorist?

Or the ones when you recognize the actors from other Pallywood productions.

Who have you recognized so far?

Look at this though, is this fake do you think?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That proves someone's a terrorist?

Who have you recognized so far?

Look at this though, is this fake do you think?

Yes, occupied East Jerusalem is fake.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Yes, occupied East Jerusalem is fake.

and is this fake in the room with you now?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

and is this fake in the room with you now?

No, there are no Muslims in the room with me now.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

No, there are no Muslims in the room with me now.

So, your alone in your cell? no nurses or other patients around?

 

[gipper]

No, there are no Muslims in the room with me now.

You and Epstein…

 

[Shusha]

So, you murdered another 150 Palestinians, most of them children.

I don't understand why you are tying your incorrect statements and my response of facts about Ottoman land laws from the late 1800s to the October 7 war. You made a factually incorrect statement. I corrected it.

As to the article you posted, it looks like 17 people were killed in an area of heavy fighting.

 

[Shusha]

I see no reason to not adopt the Rome Statute definition that is the law that arose from the Apartheid Convention this is the Rome Statute definition:

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This is the "Paragraph 1" referred to:


Any of the above which are "committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime".

Do you see any good reason why this should not be used?

I mean, sure. I think this is a much higher standard to reach than the standard I gave you, but if you want to use this one, I have no opposition.

 

[Shusha]

What's the significance of a phrase being "mentioned" during a conference?

Um. Because it was "mentioned" in a legal document which determined the Mandates for the territories previously under the Ottoman Empire.