Hamas Leader Killed

[Sherlock Holmes]

Right, living near Muslims is always dangerous.

Which is why squatting on their land was always a stupid idea.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Which is why squatting on their land was always a stupid idea.

Yet it never happened. There is no record of Jewish immigrants stealing Arab land. Once again you show it is impossible for you to put up a post without lying.

 

[Shusha]

Indeed, as was demonstrated on Oct 7th by people living in illegal settlements right next to IDF terrorist bases.

Ah. So all of Israel is an "illegal settlement"?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Which is why squatting on their land was always a stupid idea.

I agree, we need to move all the Muslims out of and away from all the western nations.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I agree, we need to move all the Muslims out of and away from all the western nations.

You mean deport all Muslims from the United States?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You mean deport all Muslims from the United States?

From all the western nations.

Dangerous barbarians should be removed.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

From all the western nations.

Dangerous barbarians should be removed.

So how about a deal, all Muslims leave the West and settle in Palestine and all Jews in Palestine get removed and sent to your neighborhood? No need to worry about where to put them either, they're good at squatting.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

This is now large scale, collective torture, this treatment of civilians is torture.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Note:

"one Israeli woman replied: "We should kill them. Every last one of them."

Many of us predicted this on Oct 8th 2023 but the Zionist apologists strenuously denied it and called us antisemites for making such insinuations.

Israel wants to destroy the Palestinian resistance by destroying the Palestinians and then stealing all of the land of the Gaza strip and West Bank. This was predicted and now we see it was true.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Ah. So all of Israel is an "illegal settlement"?

Yes, as far as I'm concerned the state of Israel was not the outcome of a democratic process involving all of the region's inhabitants. It was imposed by foreign powers and for that reason has no legitimacy - in my view.

 

[Billo_Really]

This is an oversimplification and a soundbyte that is routinely used to deny Jewish connection to the land. Factually, very little land was owned privately by anyone, as that is not how the land system worked in the Ottoman Empire. Also, rights to self-determination and sovereignty are not tied to individual land ownership. (Imagine if that were true! We've just solved the issue what to do with the places where Jews live in Area C!)

Are you saying Palestinians do not have the right to self-determination?

Land records showed 70% of the land was owned by Arabs.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

This is how conniving the Zionists are, Jew supremacy reigns over the region:

These people loved democracy so much that this egalitarian aspiration was not acceptable to them, even the words of their own declaration of independence:

Declaration provides that the State of Israel would be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex.

You really need to be a bigoted piece of shit to object to those words.

The more I probe into Israel the more filth, lies, insincerity and conniving I find, they've fooled a lot of people in the West but not all of us. They've tailored a gilded costume in which they clothe themselves but it's paper thin, just dig beneath the surface slightly and the stench soon hits you.

Fuck Israel.

 

[Billo_Really]

And a few of them weren't terrorists.

By the way, standing next to a terrorist can be dangerous, even for a "journalist".

They killed them so they wouldn't report on Israeli war crimes.

 

[Shusha]

Yes, as far as I'm concerned the state of Israel was not the outcome of a democratic process involving all of the region's inhabitants. It was imposed by foreign powers and for that reason has no legitimacy - in my view.

Would you agree that all the other states created under the Mandate system during that time period are illegitimate? Should they all be dismantled?

 

[Shusha]

Are you saying Palestinians do not have the right to self-determination?

Not even in the slightest. I have always advocated for Palestinian right to self-determination. Still do.

Land records showed 70% of the land was owned by Arabs.

No, they don't. Very little land was privately owned. The land system of the Ottoman Empire is not equivalent to western land systems and is complicated. To simplify it to this soundbyte is not accurate.

And again, private land ownership is not the same as sovereignty and self-determination. Sovereignty is not determined by land ownership or by residency.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Would you agree that all the other states created under the Mandate system during that time period are illegitimate? Should they all be dismantled?

It's not the mandate system that makes Israel illegitimate, it's the apartheid government and Jew supremacist ideology.

 

[Shusha]

It's not the mandate system that makes Israel illegitimate, it's the apartheid government and Jew supremacist ideology.

Interesting. Because you definitely implied that the illegitimacy arose during the creation of Israel from a lack of democratic process and the imposition of foreign powers.

Yes, as far as I'm concerned the state of Israel was not the outcome of a democratic process involving all of the region's inhabitants. It was imposed by foreign powers and for that reason has no legitimacy - in my view.

So, this feels like a walk-back. Whatever.

1. If it is only the government which is illegitimate, there wouldn't be a need to destroy Israel, simply to replace its government.
2. there is no evidence of apartheid in Israel.
3. You have been unable to adequately define "Jewish supremacy" as it is differentiated from "Jewish self-determination".

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Interesting. Because you definitely implied that the illegitimacy arose during the creation of Israel from a lack of democratic process and the imposition of foreign powers.


So, this feels like a walk-back. Whatever.

1. If it is only the government which is illegitimate, there wouldn't be a need to destroy Israel, simply to replace its government.
2. there is no evidence of apartheid in Israel.
3. You have been unable to adequately define "Jewish supremacy" as it is differentiated from "Jewish self-determination".

1. I don't think one can just destroy the government. The ideology permeates all aspects of civic life. Jews living in Israel are to a large degree approving of the current military action and approving of the illegal occupation and continuing expansion.

2. There is evidence of apartheid in Israel, that you refuse to admit it is the problem.

3. I've done that many times and do not intend to do it again for you, however Noam Chomsky explains this here, just click it, it's prepositioned.



Other states too have their problems I admit that, but Israel is by far the biggest threat and the most offending state in terms of UN resolutions leveled against it.

Just look at some of the stuff I and other have posted recently, fanatical settlers, arresting surgeons, bombing water facilities, plans to reoccupy Gaza, bombing hospitals and schools, bitches like Daniella Weiss openly calling for killing of Palestinians and so on, none of this bothers you I know, but those of us with some humanity are bothered by it.

You often try to isolate each offensive issue and then reduce its magnitude by endless if and buts. But do not treat each issue in isolation, look at them collectively and you'll see a picture. By reducing the picture to pixels you can no longer see the image and that's your approach.

You claim there was no Nakba and will argue fiercely that that's the case but some Nazis and apologist argued EXACTLY THE SAME WAY to try and show there was no holocaust, no grand extermination plan, endless prevarication.

 

[Shusha]

1. I don't think one can just destroy the government. The ideology permeates all aspects of civic life. Jews living in Israel are to a large degree approving of the current military action and approving of the illegal occupation and continuing expansion.

Military action, following humanitarian law, is unpleasant but necessary.

The territory is not occupied.

Israel has lost sovereign territory, not expanded.

2. There is evidence of apartheid in Israel, that you refuse to admit it is the problem.

If there is any, you have never presented it. Neither did Noam in the video you posted. Just more libels. Having an opinion is not evidence, you know. Having a factually incorrect opinion is definitely not evidence.

3. I've done that many times and do not intend to do it again for you, however Noam Chomsky explains this here, just click it, it's prepositioned.

Again, opinions are not evidence. And necessary security precautions, taken after demonstrable terrorist actions against Israeli citizens is self-defense, not "supremacy". (Which is the only specific example provided by Noam in that clip.)

Just look at some of the stuff I and other have posted recently, fanatical settlers, plans to reoccupy Gaza, bombing hospitals and schools, bitches like Daniella Weiss openly calling for killing of Palestinians and so on, none of this bothers you I know, but those of us with some humanity are bothered by it.

I've addressed all of these issues. You have chosen not to respond.

I have condemned violence between Israelis and Palestinians in Area C.

I have no problem with Arabs living in Israel, nor do I have a problem with Jews living in Gaza.

Hamas embeds military objectives in protected places, which is a war crime.

Israel does not target protected places except those which loose their protected status because of the war crime committed by Hamas to embed military objectives.

Calling for the genocide and ethnic cleansing of a peoples is abhorrent and I condemn it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So how about a deal, all Muslims leave the West and settle in Palestine and all Jews in Palestine get removed and sent to your neighborhood? No need to worry about where to put them either, they're good at squatting.

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Sounds good, all the Muslims in the West should move to Jordan.