Hamas Leader Killed

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, as far as I'm concerned the state of Israel was not the outcome of a democratic process involving all of the region's inhabitants. It was imposed by foreign powers and for that reason has no legitimacy - in my view.

Where does the Koran mention a democratic process?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Are you saying Palestinians do not have the right to self-determination?

Land records showed 70% of the land was owned by Arabs.

Liar. It doesn't show they owned a thing.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They killed them so they wouldn't report on Israeli war crimes.

Yes, they killed many terrorists wearing fake press vests.

Don't worry, Pallywood can still create fake war crimes even without fake journalists to help them.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Military action, following humanitarian law, is unpleasant but necessary.

Tell that to the ICJ

The territory is not occupied.

Yes it is, ask the UN

Israel has lost sovereign territory, not expanded.

It had none to begin with so that's rather a stretch.

If there is any, you have never presented it. Neither did Noam in the video you posted. Just more libels. Having an opinion is not evidence, you know. Having a factually incorrect opinion is definitely not evidence.

Chomsky in that clip spoke specifically about the claim of Jew supremacy not apartheid. What would you accept as proof that Israel is an apartheid state?

Again, opinions are not evidence. And necessary security precautions, taken after demonstrable terrorist actions against Israeli citizens is self-defense, not "supremacy". (Which is the only specific example provided by Noam in that clip.)

So you disagree with Chomsky - what's new, Smotrich and Ben-Gvir also disagree with him.

I've addressed all of these issues. You have chosen not to respond.

I have condemned violence between Israelis and Palestinians in Area C.

I have no problem with Arabs living in Israel, nor do I have a problem with Jews living in Gaza.

Hamas embeds military objectives in protected places, which is a war crime.

The only source for these claims is Israel, counter claims by various observers are inexplicably dismissed by you.

Israel does not target protected places except those which loose their protected status because of the war crime committed by Hamas to embed military objectives.

Again this is the claim by the Israelis and it runs counter to Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and various charities and so on, you inexplicably choose to dismiss them.

Calling for the genocide and ethnic cleansing of a peoples is abhorrent and I condemn it.

That doesn't matter, it goes on all the time all over Israel, your condemnation or want thereof is immaterial.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Note

He urged [Israel’s government] to cooperate with the agency by providing more information so he could take action. To date, UNRWA has not received any response to that letter,” it said in a statement to Al Jazeera.

Just like the ongoing requests by UN forensic teams to see and gather evidence of rape by Hamas, Israel has gone silent they want to own the narrative as do people like toomuchtime_ and Shusha - the truth is what they say, everyone else is a liar in their world.

I attribute this to deep tribal loyalties, so deeply ingrained that truth is not important, getting others to believe you is all that matters and that's where these people invest their energy, concocting idiosyncratic "explanations", we can't be trusted to find the truth without the guiding hand of the Zionists to lead us the way.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Aug 5 (Reuters) - Nine staff members of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees (UNWRA) may have been involved in the Oct. 7, 2023, Hamas attack on Israel, and have been fired, the United Nations said on Monday.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/nine-unrwa-staff-may-have-been-involved-oct-7-attack-israel-says-un-2024-08-05/

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Shusha

Please explain to me what would you accept as evidence that Israel is an apartheid state? a statement from Netanyahu admitting that?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Where does the Koran mention a democratic process?

The Koran nor Bible mention it, what made you think they did?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Yes, they killed many terrorists wearing fake press vests.

How do you know they were all terrorists?

Don't worry, Pallywood can still create fake war crimes even without fake journalists to help them.

What is "pallywood"?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Koran nor Bible mention it, what made you think they did?

You did.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How do you know they were all terrorists?

What is "pallywood"?

They weren't terrorists? Even the ones in Hamas?

Pallywood is the fake videos Arabs make showing how awful Israel is. Some are quite hilarious.

 

[Shusha]

Shusha

Please explain to me what would you accept as evidence that Israel is an apartheid state? a statement from Netanyahu admitting that?

Evidence of institutionalized discrimination and/or segregation based on race (ethnicity) within territory under the sovereignty of Israel (commonly called "Israel proper").

I will NOT accept:

• social racial (ethnic) discrimination of the sort which is common to all nations
• voluntary social and cultural preferences
• discrimination based on citizenship or nationality

 

[Shusha]

Yes it is, ask the UN

The UN does not determine the legal status of territory. The ICJ has never been called to opine on the legal status of the territory in question, nor has it done so. Universal customary law applies. Applying a different law to Israel, because of ethnicity, is ... drumroll ... apartheid.

 

[Shusha]

They weren't terrorists? Even the ones in Hamas?

Pallywood is the fake videos Arabs make showing how awful Israel is. Some are quite hilarious.

I especially love the terrorist who is a journalist, and a med tech, and an ambulance driver, and a young father, and a coffee barista who has died and been resurrected nine times. What is in the water in Gaza? Fountain of immortality?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Hamas Leader Killed
SUBTOPIC: The Final Resolution of Territories
⁜→ Shusha, Sherlock, et al,

(OPENING)

There is a concept and a doctrine pertaining to judgments and judicial precedents that essentially follows the path that says: "Let the decision stand."

The establishment of the Jewish National Home (the state now called Israel) was made by the Allied Powers after the conclusion of the Great War (WW I). It was a decision made by the Victorious Powers at the Castle Devachan in San Remo over a century ago. The protocols for the decisions were not unlike those made at the conclusions of conflicts in the century prior and those made for the century afterward.

It's not the mandate system that makes Israel illegitimate, it's the apartheid government and Jew supremacist ideology.

Interesting. Because you definitely implied that the illegitimacy arose during the creation of Israel from a lack of democratic process and the imposition of foreign powers.

(COMMENT)

Correct!

The decisions made and the tools that were developed by the Victorious were not made by means of a "Democratic Process." The decisions were made by the leadership of the principal Democratic Nations that were responsible for the defeat of the Axis Powers and the responsibility over the administration of the Occupied Enemy Territories (all of which were former territories of the Ottoman Turkish Empire which collapsed under Allied Military pressure). With the exception of the Arab military administration over the Levant (mostly Heshimite) that was operating within the British Sector, the decisions on the land disposition pertaining to the territory west of (what is now) Iraq were made without consultation with the (what is now).

The true reality [which the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) do not deny] is recorded:

22. Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis.

“The British Government desired to establish a self-government in Palestine, but to proceed in this direction by stages…. It had been announced that the nominated Advisory Council was to be the first stage. The second stage would have been a Legislative Council without an Arab majority. If this worked satisfactorily, the third stage, after a lapse of perhaps same years, would have been a constitution on more democratic lines.”​

The HoAP had multiple occasions to participate in the framework for a self-governing territory that would probably look very much different than what the levant looks like today. But they declined. They simply did not want to cooperate.

Yes, as far as I'm concerned the state of Israel was not the outcome of a democratic process involving all of the region's inhabitants. It was imposed by foreign powers and for that reason has no legitimacy - in my view.

So, this feels like a walk-back. Whatever.

1. If it is only the government which is illegitimate, there wouldn't be a need to destroy Israel, simply to replace its government.
2. there is no evidence of apartheid in Israel.
3. You have been unable to adequately define "Jewish supremacy" as it is differentiated from "Jewish self-determination".

(COMMENT)

Our friend "Shusha" is 100% on the money here.

If there is a question of "Israeli Supremecy" then how does that differ from the regional, political, or economic influence - or any other hegemony attempts?

We should remember that the Principal Allied Powers made mention in the San Remo Conference to the Council of the League of Nations that: "and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people,"

Keep in mind that the HoAP campaign to take by force the territory as stated in the Document of General Principles & Policies is in direct conflict with the idea of a "Jewish National Home."

The Land of Palestine:

1. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.
2. Palestine is an Arab Islamic land. It is a blessed sacred land that has a special place in the heart of every Arab and every Muslim.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[José]

The establishment of the Jewish National Home (the state now called Israel) was
made by the Allied Powers after the conclusion of the Great War (WW I).


adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people,


It was a decision made by the Victorious Powers

A massive data dump to convey an idea that can be summed up in 7 words:

Israel is a creation of european colonialism.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Israel is a creation of european colonialism.

That's awful!

Only Arab Muslim colonialism can be allowed.

 

[daveman]

Oh boy, she's off again, ranting and raving like a drama queen...

You're a chickenshit. No way around that simple fact. You kiss Hamas and Hezbollah ass because they're killing the Jews you're too cowardly to kill.

 

[daveman]

Has you card not arrived in the mail yet?

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What's your username over at Stormfront? AdolphsPrettyLittleGirl?

 

[daveman]

With what?

History? No.
Honesty? No.
Knowledge? No.
Scripture? No.

Yet you need help with each of these.

Thing is, you want a genocide.

Normal people do not. I am a normal person. I do not want a genocide of anyone.

You're fucked in the head.