Hamas Didn't Carry Our the Massacre --Israel Did

[irosie91]

Agreed.

I went to a source that posted new and information from a Palestinian PoV.

And then I get attacked with an Ad hominem fallacy?

FML.

You just can't win here.

Folks don't want to have a discussion in good faith, AT ALL.

an analogy----lets write an article on an EVENT. A young white blue-eyed man was restrained by two men black men dressed in blue jump suits and
led to a sealed room and secured in a chair. Next to him was a container
of fluid. All nearby people left the room and someone switched a lever
that dropped two pellets into the container with the fluid. The man
secured in the chair breathed a few times and then slumped over dead.
That ^^^^ is the event----leave out the fact that the dead man
had been convicted of murder and sentenced to death---blame it
on the two guys in blue jump suits

 

[Lisa558]

I've looked through it, and I haven't seen anything explicitly "anti-Semitic."

I have seen A LOT of stuff that is really critical of Israel, TBH.

Oh please. You don’t see the antisemitism in Mondoweiss? It’s practically a hate site: a progressive, questionable site based on promotion of antisemitic propogwnda.

It’s not just the “Palestinian viewpoint.” It is decidedly the Anti-Jew viewpoint.

Mondoweiss - Bias and Credibility

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[buttercup]

Folks don't want to have a discussion in good faith, AT ALL.

^ You hit the nail on the head with that, I couldn't agree more. You are one of the very few people here who wants to have an actual discussion, civil discussion, as opposed to the usual pecker waving back and forth, and (the recent) underhanded leftist tactics now used by righties, and the overall ugly nastiness. But anyway, I'm off topic so I'll let the regularly scheduled madness continue....

 

[Lisa558]

Agreed.

I went to a source that posted news and information from a Palestinian PoV.

And then I get attacked with an Ad hominem fallacy?

FML.

You just can't win here.

Folks don't want to have a discussion in good faith, AT ALL.

P.S. You can’t have a discussion in good faith when you cite a source known for spreading antisemitic propaganda.

 

[irosie91]

Oh please. You don’t see the antisemitism in Mondoweiss? It’s practically a hate site: a progressive, questionable site based on promotion of antisemitic propogwnda.

It’s not just the “Palestinian viewpoint.” It is decidedly the Anti-Jew viewpoint.

Mondoweiss - Bias and Credibility

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Lisa---the deniers are denying that the deniers are denying. It's
nothing new. Mahmoud Abbas---KING OF THE WEST BANK has already
published a denial of the events of Oct 7----his DOCTORAL THESIS was a
denial of the actions of the ISLAMO NAZI HERO Adolf Hitler

 

[surada]

Muslim inbreeding is responsible for the mental retardation that results in this kind of flawed logic.
Anyone that hell-bent on massacring people doesn’t need to create an excuse.

Cousin marriage was normal among Jews.... even desirable.

CONSANGUINITY AMONG JEWS - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Complete contents the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia.

www.jewishencyclopedia.com

 

[irosie91]

^ You hit the nail on the head with that, I couldn't agree more. You are one of the very few people here who wants to have an actual discussion, civil discussion, as opposed to the usual pecker waving back and forth, and (the recent) underhanded leftist tactics now used by righties, and the overall ugly nastiness. But anyway, I'm off topic so I'll let the regularly scheduled madness continue....

to what madness to you refer, buttercup?

 

[surada]

Demographic history of Palestine (region) - Wikipedia

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[Lisa558]

Lisa---the deniers are denying that the deniers are denying. It's
nothing new. Mahmoud Abbas---KING OF THE WEST BANK has already
published a denial of the events of Oct 7----his DOCTORAL THESIS was a
denial of the actions of the ISLAMO NAZI HERO Adolf Hitler

Huh? You mean the Hamas supporters are claiming that Hamas is NOT denying the October 7th account?

 

[Lisa558]

to what madness to you refer, buttercup?

She seems to think that linking to Mondoweiss is a reasonable approach to starting a “good faith” discussion.

 

[buttercup]

She seems to think that linking to Mondoweiss is a reasonable approach to starting a “good faith” discussion.

No. Again, he was trying to show Carl that Hamas is not denying the attack. So he was posting a source from THEIR point of view. (MisterBeale can correct me if I'm wrong about his post). That doesn't mean he agrees with the source, it simply means he was responding to Carl's comment.

 

[Donald H]

Biden better keep a lid on what the Zionists are intending to do.

If he doesn't then this has the making of a much larger war in the ME and America won't have any support for it's stand with the evil apartheid regime.

Everybody should be able to see by now that Biden is trying to waltz through this mess with Netanyahu as his only partner.

How much damage do these two want to create? They've already made it a fact that the Palestinian people are going to win some kind of solution.

 

[surada]

RoshawnMarkwees

Cousin Marriages - Aish.com

aish.com

is permitted under Torah law for cousins to marry. In fact, the Sages seem to view marriages between relatives as desirable. The Talmud recommends that a person marry his niece (Yevamot 62b). (There’s a debate in the commentators if it applies specifically to a sister’s daughter or also to a brother’s.)

The assumption is that a person will have an especially close relationship with a close relative, perhaps because of their likely similar personalities and values. The reasoning may be the same for a cousin, but the Talmud doesn't mention it. (I should point out that for a woman to marry her nephew....

Control

 

[irosie91]

Cousin marriage was normal among Jews.... even desirable.

CONSANGUINITY AMONG JEWS - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Complete contents the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia.

www.jewishencyclopedia.com

yes it was and that was also so in most of the world until fairly
recently. Lately studies concentrate on the FREQUENCY of
consanguineous marriage and the effect thereof of inherited conditions

 

[Foxfyre]

To you and others like you, I just say, praise the Zionists' lord and pass the US ammunition to them.

In other words you just doggedly hold to a position you can't defend?

 

[irosie91]

No. Again, he was trying to show Carl that Hamas is not denying the attack. So he was posting a source from THEIR point of view. (MisterBeale can correct me if I'm wrong about his post). That doesn't mean he agrees with the source, it simply means he was responding to Carl's comment.

wrong again----the INEVITABLE DENIAL has already started----by Hamas and other interested islamic sources. Give it a chance----it will come into
FULL FLOWER----just as Holocaust denial developed well into the 1950s
and counting---especially in muslim nations. If interested ---talk to a young
muslim

 

[MisterBeale]

^ You hit the nail on the head with that, I couldn't agree more. You are one of the very few people here who wants to have an actual discussion, civil discussion, as opposed to the usual pecker waving back and forth, and (the recent) underhanded leftist tactics now used by righties, and the overall ugly nastiness. But anyway, I'm off topic so I'll let the regularly scheduled madness continue....

This is the best, most reasonable analysis I have found.

"Future of Palestine"

It's no secret Jordan serves the same master as Israel does, is it, Drivel?It is drivel, indeed. Our honorable georgephillip is, thereby, advised to read the article provided to save himself the indignity of declaring a solar eclipse a bankers' conspiracy. Bonkers conspiracy though is allowed...

www.usmessageboard.com

IOW? There will be no solution. Both sides are intractable.

The ruling elites, and ruling parties in Israel, which have been striving for a Greater Israel, want to either evict, or ethnic cleanse the Palestinian population. They have, no longer, any desire or taste for a two state solution. At the same time, because of population dynamics, and their insistence of maintaining the Jewish character of Israel, the only other solution, is of course, an apartheid state for all remaining Arab Israelis.

THIS, is why the propaganda has been so disproportionate and so wildly unbelievable. The current ruling regime in Israel, I believe, actually thinks, if it pushes these false narratives hard enough, it can eliminate enough Israeli Arabs, to deport the rest, and place whatever remains on reservations, much like we do Native Americans.

. . . most rational strategic thinkers in the policy establishments of Europe and America, have now come to the conclusion, that the ruling conservative classes in Israel, will now be doomed to failure in this project.

The global west and Arab nations in the Middle East, will not let them ethnically cleanse enough Palestinians to make this plan work. It is obvious to all rational thinkers at this point.


. . . and of course, the Palestinians have indicated that they would rather die than move. . . so. . .

 

[Donald H]

Agreed.

I went to a source that posted news and information from a Palestinian PoV.

And then I get attacked with an Ad hominem fallacy?

FML.

You just can't win here.

Folks don't want to have a discussion in good faith, AT ALL.

Actually we can win and are winning. Biden can't take the country to war when there are 80% of Americans telling him that he has to support a ceasefire.

About all they can do now is pretend to have a ceasefire and hope that the rest of the world can be kept from seeing the slaughter continue.

Just don't forget that all of this is part of the Zionists' plan to steal all land granted to the Palestinians.

Netanyahu is still going for all the marbles and the chance of a nuclear war isn't going to stop him!

 

[surada]

yes it was and that was also so in most of the world until fairly
recently. Lately studies concentrate on the FREQUENCY of
consanguineous marriage and the effect thereof of inherited conditions

Yes, I know. Explain it to roshawn

 

[MisterBeale]

Oh please. You don’t see the antisemitism in Mondoweiss? It’s practically a hate site: a progressive, questionable site based on promotion of antisemitic propogwnda.

It’s not just the “Palestinian viewpoint.” It is decidedly the Anti-Jew viewpoint.

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This is a really, REALLY, lazy way to argue.

This site is run by a member of the establishment, to TELL YOU, what you are allowed to think and bleev.

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Now. . . we can disagree over the nature of the attack, but I really don't believe, anyone serious, at this point, denies that Hamas has taken responsibility for attacking Israel.