I'll wait for the Conspiricists to chime in. I think right now they're too afraid to run with this theory.
Of course Hamas carried out that attack. What is being maintained, is that the IDF made the entire thing worse, by not caring if there were folks caught in the cross fire. You either are not picking up on, or don't care about the nuance here.
NUANCE. You are portraying what they have claimed, in a wildly distorting the claims. And it isn't just the Palestinians, it is the victims of the very assault that are making these claims.
It isn't a matter of
"conspiracy theory," Carl, it is a matter of ballistics, science, and first person observations, from the very Jewish folks that were there.. . . actual whistle blowers who have come forward and survived, and have told the tale of what happened. It is in the Jewish press in Israel, if you care to read it. No "conspiracy," about it. Just clink the links and read it, or listen to the radio shows.
Did Hamas invade Israel with a military strike? Yes, of course.
But what weapons did they possess? Small arms and some RPGs, supported by rocket fire. The damage left? Was too precise, it was done by tank fire, drones, and Apache helicopter strikes. This is the evidence on the ground, and what witnesses have come forward with.
This is the narrative told not just by Hamas, but by the victims as well.
This article contains the links, to the Israeli media. . you are just living in denial if you don't want to read about it.
What really happened in Israel on Oct. 7? w/Max Blumenthal | The Chris Hedges Report
October 7 testimonies reveal Israel’s military ‘shelling’ Israeli citizens with tanks, missiles
Max Blumenthal·October 27, 2023
Israel's military received orders to shell Israeli homes and even their own bases as they were overwhelmed by Hamas militants on October 7. How many Israeli citizens said to have been "burned alive" were actually killed by friendly fire? Several new testimonies by Israeli witnesses to the...
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Israel’s military received orders to shell Israeli homes and even their own bases as they were overwhelmed by Hamas militants on October 7. How many Israeli citizens said to have been “burned alive” were actually killed by friendly fire?
". . . . Tuval Escapa, a member of the security team for Kibbutz Be’eri, set up a hotline to coordinate between kibbutz residents and the Israeli army. He told the Israeli newspaper Haaretz that as desperation began to set in, “the commanders in the field made difficult decisions – including shelling houses on their occupants in order to eliminate the terrorists along with the hostages.”
A separate report published in Haaretz noted that the Israeli military was “compelled to request an aerial strike” against its own facility inside the Erez Crossing to Gaza “in order to repulse the terrorists” who had seized control. That base was filled with Israeli Civil Administration officers and soldiers at the time.
These reports indicate that orders came down from the military’s high command to attack homes and other areas inside Israel, even at the cost of many Israeli lives.
An Israeli woman named Yasmin Porat confirmed in an interview with Israel Radio that the military “undoubtedly” killed numerous Israeli noncombatants during gun battles with Hamas militants on October 7. “They eliminated everyone, including the hostages,” she stated, referring to Israeli special forces.
As David Sheen and Ali Abunimah reported in Electronic Intifada, Porat described “very, very heavy crossfire” and Israeli tank shelling, which led to many casualties among Israelis.
While being held by the Hamas gunmen, Porat recalled, “They did not abuse us. We were treated very humanely… No one treated us violently.”
She added, “The objective was to kidnap us to Gaza, not to murder us. . . ”
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"One of many homes in Kibbutz Be’eri which appears to have been shelled with heavy weapons"
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Israel’s military “eliminated everyone, including the hostages,” firing tank shells into kibbutz homes
Photos of the aftermath of the fighting inside kibbutzes like Be’eri – and of the Israeli bombardment of these communities – show rubble and charred homes that resemble the aftermath of Israeli tank and artillery attacks inside Gaza. As Tuval Escapa, the security coordinator at Kibbutz Be’eri, told Haaretz, Israeli army commanders had ordered the “shelling [of] houses on their occupants in order to eliminate the terrorists along with the hostages.”
Yasmin Porat, an attendee of the Nova music festival who fled into Kibbutz Be’eri, told Israeli Radio that when Israeli special forces arrived during a hostage standoff, “They eliminated everyone, including the hostages because there was very, very heavy crossfire.”
“After insane crossfire,” Porat continued, “two tank shells were shot into the house. It’s a small kibbutz house, nothing big.”
"Destroyed homes in Kibbutz Be’eri following the fighting on October 7, which included Israeli tank shelling of residences"
