Guy's house is robbed multiple times, sets up an ambush, kills two crooks

[Turtlesoup]

If the little shit heads had been shot after surprising the homeowner I'd be fine with it.
Him recording the incident and what he said in those recordings put the nail in his coffin.
The guy was obviously a sociopath.

He was angry and felt violated that he had been attacked in his own home repeatedly..the criminals weren't going to stop until he made them stop. The world is a better place without these two idiotic druggies.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

If Americans were really tired, they'd work to eliminate poverty, addiction and mental illness.

This guy laid in wait and set a trap... which is premeditated murder.

Now, if he flipped on the lights and told them to put their hands up until the cops arrived, that would be different. He just straight up murdered these kids.

So do you believe those kids being were raised in poverty?
Of course not. They were searching for drugs.
I wouldnt have had a problem with the guy capping the punks but he went overboard.
He could have simply wounded them and called police.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

He was angry and felt violated that he had been attacked in his own home repeatedly..the criminals weren't going to stop until he made them stop. The world is a better place without these two idiotic druggies.

I won't disagree with that but he fucked up on how he went about it.
I mean seriously....recording himself as he shot them with no mercy is what sent him up the river.

 

[hjmick]

Lying in wait. Premeditation. Not good. Not good at all...

 

[MarathonMike]

As there's no duty to retreat in Minnesota, I would say shooting them would be justified. But he didn't just shoot them. He executed them. You're only allowed to use enough force to stop the threat. Seems he went beyond that and continued shooting them even after he stopped the threat. So in that regard, not justifiable.

Agreed, he had stopped any eminent threat.

 

[Circe]

I don't think you should kill someone over stolen stuff. They didn't kill simple thieves even in Jesus' day.

OF COURSE they did! They crucified them: the two on either side of Christ were thieves.

I think everyone who does crimes against person or property should be tried and if guilty (and usually it's real, real obvious), executed at once. Just two rules: don't hurt people and don't take their stuff.

This has in fact been the norm everywhere everywhen until quite recently (and still is all over the continent of Africa, though the southern part has no real courts, probably, and just kills them if they can catch them).

 

[Circe]

I didn't bother to watch the video because we had a case very like this in my county years ago. The guy was repeatedly robbed, and he set up a booby trap with, ahem, a shotgun with a tripwire tied to the trigger, which worked quite well and shot the guy --- it was his nephew, who was a druggie and had been driven there by his dealer (yet again: it was their regular place to get money, apparently!!). The police found the driver, too. But I think there were penalties for the home owner on the basis of setting a trap.

Many people felt he should be able to do that freely. I agree. People don't want to be trapped, don't rob someone's place.

 

[Circe]

Lying in wait. Premeditation. Not good. Not good at all...

They didn't have to walk into it doing crimes ---- It WAS his own house. That part seems fine to me.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

If Americans were really tired, they'd work to eliminate poverty, addiction and mental illness.

This guy laid in wait and set a trap... which is premeditated murder.

Now, if he flipped on the lights and told them to put their hands up until the cops arrived, that would be different. He just straight up murdered these kids.

When you hear of an armed person killed anyway, perhaps with their own weapon, the tendency is to point out that guns don't really help anyone not be a victim. It's more dangerous to have a weapon than be unarmed with an armed assilant. That armed citizen made the disastrous mistake of saying "stop or I'll shoot. Put the gun or knife down. Put your hands up." If you feel sufficiently threatened to pick up a weapon use it. Quickly. Without giving the enemy time to react.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The video is pretty long but there are a lot of details.
So this guy, Vietnam vet, good government job has his house robbed multiple times.
He sets up an ambush and waits for the burglars. He kills them both.
Justified?

This is an automated booby-trap. not a self-defense shooting.
Had the guy been in his building and he shot them after they broke in, it woudl be another story.

 

[Otis Mayfield]

This is an automated booby-trap. not a self-defense shooting.
Had the guy been in his building and he shot them after they broke in, it woudl be another story.

No, in this case the guy laid in ambush and killed two robbers with deer rifle and a 22.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Murder one with special circumstances. Two consecutive life terms without parole in maximum security.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Lying in wait. Premeditation. Not good. Not good at all...

Murder one with special circumstances.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I didn't bother to watch the video because we had a case very like this in my county years ago. The guy was repeatedly robbed, and he set up a booby trap with, ahem, a shotgun with a tripwire tied to the trigger, which worked quite well and shot the guy --- it was his nephew, who was a druggie and had been driven there by his dealer (yet again: it was their regular place to get money, apparently!!). The police found the driver, too. But I think there were penalties for the home owner on the basis of setting a trap.

Many people felt he should be able to do that freely. I agree. People don't want to be trapped, don't rob someone's place.

And hope the guy setting it off isn't, say, an EMT responding to a 911 call?

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

The video is pretty long but there are a lot of details.

So this guy, Vietnam vet, good government job has his house robbed multiple times.

He sets up an ambush and waits for the burglars. He kills them both.

Justified?

They broke into his house? You bet it was justified.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

I don't think you should kill someone over stolen stuff. They didn't kill simple thieves even in Jesus' day.

Bandits yes, but Bandits killed people.

But if you stole a loaf of bread, they didn't kill you. Maybe cut off your hand, yes, but you'd survive.

Fuck a thief, man. I work too hard for my shit to sit back and let some no-good motherfucker just walk in and take it.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

If Americans were really tired, they'd work to eliminate poverty, addiction and mental illness.

This guy laid in wait and set a trap... which is premeditated murder.

Now, if he flipped on the lights and told them to put their hands up until the cops arrived, that would be different. He just straight up murdered these kids.

You'll never eliminate poverty. Its impossible. Look at the trillions we've spent on welfare and there are more people on welfare now than there were when it started.

 

[Man of Ethics]

One of about 200 -- 260 justifiable homicides which happen each year in USA.

At the same time, guns are used in at least 10,000 homicides and 20,000 suicides per year in USA.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

One of about 200 -- 260 justifiable homicides which happen each year in USA.

At the same time, guns are used in at least 10,000 homicides and 20,000 suicides per year in USA.

If more people carried, there would be fewer murders.

 

[Man of Ethics]

I don't think you should kill someone over stolen stuff.

Agree 100%. It is more like one of over 10,000 murders.