Gun Show Loophole

[Chillicothe]

Second Amendment inextricably links militias with the possession of firearms. And armed American citizens with militias.
Trying to parse the 2nd into two stand-alone messages is incorrect. One begets the other.

As far as militias requiring certain ages...well, yeah, a quick google indicated that some states had such requirements, but others too any able bodied with a gun ..."Following Massachusetts’ lead, the Virginia assembly “told every man fit to carry a gun to bring it to church, that he might exercise with it after the service.”

The driving principle behind militias was that citizen soldiers could be a substitute and/or auxiliary for a standing army. Hence, if you could contribute by possessing and using a weapon....you could be in a militia. Old men fought in the Revolution. Boys fought. Women fought....see Margaret Corbin, Mary Hays.

(John Greenslit (1767-1856) enlisted in the CT militia at the age of 15. This is verifiable through his pension records. See also Dellona Center Cemetery - Sauk County, Wisconsin. He’s probably not the youngest, but he’s verifiable.)

And a 'well regulated' militia was mandated in the Bill of Rights. And that means..by most anyone's common sense...the regulating on who could be in a militia, their protocols within the service, ranks, duties, ....... and their arms.

 

[Auld Phart]

Second Amendment inextricably links militias with the possession of firearms. And armed American citizens with militias.
Trying to parse the 2nd into two stand-alone messages is incorrect. One begets the other.

As far as militias requiring certain ages...well, yeah, a quick google indicated that some states had such requirements, but others too any able bodied with a gun ..."Following Massachusetts’ lead, the Virginia assembly “told every man fit to carry a gun to bring it to church, that he might exercise with it after the service.”

The driving principle behind militias was that citizen soldiers could be a substitute and/or auxiliary for a standing army. Hence, if you could contribute by possessing and using a weapon....you could be in a militia. Old men fought in the Revolution. Boys fought. Women fought....see Margaret Corbin, Mary Hays.

(John Greenslit (1767-1856) enlisted in the CT militia at the age of 15. This is verifiable through his pension records. See also Dellona Center Cemetery - Sauk County, Wisconsin. He’s probably not the youngest, but he’s verifiable.)

And a 'well regulated' militia was mandated in the Bill of Rights. And that means..by most anyone's common sense...the regulating on who could be in a militia, their protocols within the service, ranks, duties, ....... and their arms.

Second Amendment inextricably links militias with the possession of firearms. And armed American citizens with militias.

wrong.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Second Amendment inextricably links militias with the possession of firearms. And armed American citizens with militias.
Trying to parse the 2nd into two stand-alone messages is incorrect. One begets the other.

The right to keep and bear arms belongs to the people.
Not the states.
Not the militia.
Not the people in the militia.
The people.
Thus, in terms of who holds the right as protected by the 2nd, "well regulated" and "militia" is meaningless.

 

[Rye Catcher]

wrong.

YOU'RE WRONG:

Read Art I, Sec 8 and clauses 11, 12, 13, 14, & 15

 

[Auld Phart]

YOU'RE WRONG:

Read Art I, Sec 8 and clauses 11, 12, 13, 14, & 15

• Clause 11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

Don't see anything about the Second there.

• Clause 12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

Don't see anything about the Second there.

• Clause 13: To provide and maintain a Navy;

Don't see anything about the Second there.

• Clause 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

Don't see anything about the Second there.

• Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Call forth the Militia?

What has that to do with Second?

 

[M14 Shooter]

What has that to do with Second?

As the 2nd limits the power granted to Congress by the clauses.... nothing.

 

[scruffy]

That's great dude; Switzerland also has no GOP so people are less insane.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[scruffy]

The anger evidenced by some folks on social media hints that perhaps they just may not be suitable for owning any of today's super high lethality firearms.

You have that exactly backwards

.How else to convey society's seriousness-of-purpose over the perceived threat that firearms pose?

Society has already expressed itself quite fully.

Do the words "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" ring a bell?

That is the agreed upon law. The highest law in the land.

As evidenced by their demeanor exhibited on social media.
Just sayin'.

Hey, shit for brains libtard, I'm the guy who plants the bomb under Hitler's feet.

Remember my name.

=> Scruffy <=

 

[scruffy]

Nope, not in this evil; but what and how can the parents, neighbors, teachers and other kids not be aware of the evil in this person, and report to others something to be investigated?

The PROBLEM is this: SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!

How many more innocent children will die by these four words? How can 50 US Senators decide to table any effort to protect the innocents, simply to keep their job that they don't do? We the people, and every parent, needs to fire them, begin by McConnell as he is as dangerous to every child in every school in America.

Go ahead and change the law. You have that power.

You'll need a Constitutional amendment to do it, you'll have to get 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the States to agree with you that it's a good idea

Good luck with that. I don't even think you can get ONE State to agree with you.

 

[Missourian]

Second Amendment inextricably links militias with the possession of firearms. And armed American citizens with militias.
Trying to parse the 2nd into two stand-alone messages is incorrect. One begets the other.

As far as militias requiring certain ages...well, yeah, a quick google indicated that some states had such requirements, but others too any able bodied with a gun ..."Following Massachusetts’ lead, the Virginia assembly “told every man fit to carry a gun to bring it to church, that he might exercise with it after the service.”

The driving principle behind militias was that citizen soldiers could be a substitute and/or auxiliary for a standing army. Hence, if you could contribute by possessing and using a weapon....you could be in a militia. Old men fought in the Revolution. Boys fought. Women fought....see Margaret Corbin, Mary Hays.

(John Greenslit (1767-1856) enlisted in the CT militia at the age of 15. This is verifiable through his pension records. See also Dellona Center Cemetery - Sauk County, Wisconsin. He’s probably not the youngest, but he’s verifiable.)

And a 'well regulated' militia was mandated in the Bill of Rights. And that means..by most anyone's common sense...the regulating on who could be in a militia, their protocols within the service, ranks, duties, ....... and their arms.

I'm in a Militia.

So are you.

"41.050. State militia, members. — The militia of the state shall include all able-bodied citizens and all other able-bodied residents, who, in the case of the unorganized militia and the Missouri state defense force, shall be more than seventeen years of age and not more than sixty-four, and such other persons as may upon their own application be enrolled or commissioned therein, and who, in the case of the organized militia, shall be within the age limits and possess the physical and mental qualifications prescribed by law or regulations for the reserve components of the Armed Forces of the United States, except that this section shall not be construed to require militia service of any persons specifically exempted by the laws of the United States or the state of Missouri. The maximum age requirement may be waived by the adjutant general on a case-by-case basis."

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Codified by law in the Missouri Revised Statutes...

41.050

State militia, members.

www.revisor.mo.gov

 

[Chillicothe]

Do the words "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" ring a bell?

"Well regulated"....ring a bell?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

"Well regulated"....ring a bell?

Right to bear arms...ring a bell?

 

[M14 Shooter]

"Well regulated"....ring a bell?

The right to keep and bear arms belongs to the people.
Not the states.
Not the militia.
Not the people in the militia.
The people.
Thus, in terms of who holds the right as protected by the 2nd, "well regulated" and "militia" is meaningless.

 

[Chillicothe]

Let's ring all the bells:
“A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

The 'right to bear arms' is in the context of those 'arms' empowering a citizens militia.

And such militias, if they are to exist in America, will be well-regulated per the Bill of Rights.

 

[Auld Phart]

Let's ring all the bells:
“A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

The 'right to bear arms' is in the context of those 'arms' empowering a citizens militia.

And such militias, if they are to exist in America, will be well-regulated per the Bill of Rights.

“A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

Not the militia, THE PEOPLE.

I'm 72, I'm too damned old to belong to ANY militia.

But you'll need a militia to get the arms I have.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Let's ring all the bells:
“A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

The 'right to bear arms' is in the context of those 'arms' empowering a citizens militia.

And such militias, if they are to exist in America, will be well-regulated per the Bill of Rights.

Dude it was the founder's intent citizens have the right to bear arms

Ask SCOTUS you, dumbed down jackass

 

[Chillicothe]

Dude it was the founder's intent citizens have the right to bear arms

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.......as a component of a well-regulated militia that would ensure the security of a free State.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Let's ring all the bells:
“A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
The 'right to bear arms' is in the context of those 'arms' empowering a citizens militia.
And such militias, if they are to exist in America, will be well-regulated per the Bill of Rights.

The right to keep and bear arms belongs to the people.
Not the states.
Not the militia.
Not the people in the militia.
The people.
Thus, in terms of who holds the right as protected by the 2nd, "well regulated" and "militia" is meaningless.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

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.......as a component of a well-regulated militia that would ensure the security of a free State.

No, you're obviously not educated on the 2nd. Go get educated, you look foolish

 

[Sunsettommy]

And my point is, no. 5 year olds and female teachers are not the first line of self-defense. You live in a freakshowland.


Ban assault weapons.

We already have/had banned so called assault weapons the shooting still happens anyway.

The killer went to school because of it awesome No Guns Zone law.

Make your own Gun Free Zone



You buy some?