There is no such right to murder.True, but that's not what I'm talking about.
You do not have the right to murder soemone with a gun <<< example of a limit on the right to keep and bear arrms.
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There is no such right to murder.True, but that's not what I'm talking about.
You do not have the right to murder soemone with a gun <<< example of a limit on the right to keep and bear arrms.
Correct. And so the 2nd does not protect the use of a firearm to murder someone.There is no such right to murder.
That is correct it's not a God given right to murder. And it never has been suggested that it was.but the government cannot infringe on the second amendment without due process and only against those who abused the right namely by murdering someoneCorrect. And so the 2nd does not protect the use of a firearm to murder someone.
The point is there are limits on what you can do with your firearm and still be protected by the 2nd.That is correct it's not a God given right to murder. And it never has been suggested that it was.but the government cannot infringe on the second amendment without due process and only against those who abused the right namely by murdering someone
The only limit comes through due process. And it's only limited to individuals who abused that right.The point is there are limits on what you can do with your firearm and still be protected by the 2nd.
So logically you should be able to offer a right from the Constitution that has no restrictions on it. I'll wait...I just gave you the definition of infringed. You're being illogical if you think shall not be infringed means you can infringe on something.
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.So logically you should be able to offer a right from the Constitution that has no restrictions on it. I'll wait...
“Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. [It is] not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Try and practice animal or human sacrifice and see what happens.Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
slander/libelor abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;
You still can't storm and occupy the Capitol.or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
You can assemble on private property with no permits.
How many friends? Do you intend to use a pavilion or other park facility?The use of public property for any reason may require a permit due to expected crowd sizes and impacts on local traffic and businesses etc but there are no permits required if you and some of your family and friends want to "assemble" at a public park for a picnic.
Which of those rights can have an impact on others if exercised improperly?Can you tell me what other rights enumerated in the Constitution require people to pay for and attend a class, to apply and pay a fee for a permit that has to be renewed annually as people have to do in many states for their guaranteed right to keep and bear firearms?
If your state required you to pay for and attend a class and pay a fee for a permit BEFORE you could exercise your rights to free speech or practice a religion would you be OK with that?
If your state required you to pay for and attend classes and pay fees for a permits BEFORE you could claim protection of your rights under the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments would you be OK with that?
How about a being required to pay for and attend a class and pay for a permit before every single election? You'd be OK with that too right?
"Congress shall make no law."“Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. [It is] not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”
JUSTICE ANTONIN SCALIA, DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA V. HELLER, 2008
Try and practice animal or human sacrifice and see what happens.
slander/libel
You still can't storm and occupy the Capitol.
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How many friends? Do you intend to use a pavilion or other park facility?
Which of those rights can have an impact on others if exercised improperly?
So which is it? No law or due process?"Congress shall make no law."
You dumbass took out of context what Scalia said. He was talking about those who through due process lost their rights.
Congress shall make no law creating a state run religion. Only restriction to the second amendment must done through due process, and only against those who abused their second amendment right. military firearms are protected by the second amendment.So which is it? No law or due process?
Maybe none, maybe 10.You can assemble on private property with no permits.
The use of public property for any reason may require a permit due to expected crowd sizes and impacts on local traffic and businesses etc but there are no permits required if you and some of your family and friends want to "assemble" at a public park for a picnic.
Can you tell me what other rights enumerated in the Constitution require people to pay for and attend a class, to apply and pay a fee for a permit that has to be renewed annually as people have to do in many states for their guaranteed right to keep and bear firearms?
If your state required you to pay for and attend a class and pay a fee for a permit BEFORE you could exercise your rights to free speech or practice a religion would you be OK with that?
If your state required you to pay for and attend classes and pay fees for a permits BEFORE you could claim protection of your rights under the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments would you be OK with that?
How about a being required to pay for and attend a class and pay for a permit before every single election? You'd be OK with that too right?
So we agree that the right to assemble is not absolute?A concert is subject to town noise ordinances
So we agree that laws can restrict the exercise of rights?And the only way to "improperly " exercise a right is if you violate the law
The question is, should a right come with restrictions. I say can should and they do. What those restictions should be is another question entirely.But tell me since you think people should have to pay for classes and permits simply to exercise one particular right why don't you want the same requirements for all rights?
If you intend to build a church you still need to follow local zoning and building codes. Regardless of which religion.Don;t you want other people to have to pay for and take classes about every religion then pay for a permit to practice a religion?
Pay? No. Attend classes? That might be a good idea.Don't you want people to have to pay for classes and permits to vote?
Are you talking about a small fee or an undo burden? Fees are fine by me.If it is acceptable to charge people to exercise one right then surely it is acceptable to charge a person to exercise any right.
The right to make noise is not absolute.Maybe none, maybe 10.
So we agree that the right to assemble is not absolute?
So we agree that laws can restrict the exercise of rights?
The question is, should a right come with restrictions. I say can should and they do. What those restictions should be is another question entirely.
If you intend to build a church you still need to follow local zoning and building codes. Regardless of which religion.
Pay? No. Attend classes? That might be a good idea.
Are you talking about a small fee or an undo burden? Fees are fine by me.
I guarantee the venue has permits.Why do you assume an assembly has to have loud music playing? If I want to invite 200 or 2000 people to a private event and I rent a banquet hall or other venue, I do not need permits.
Probably true but, depending on where you live, if you want to invite 500 people you might.If I want to invite 50 people to my home for a cookout I do not need permits
He who takes the class of course. If you think a government program to subsidize the poor is warranted, so be it.And who pays for the classes?
All public accommodation sites must have permits to be in business that has nothing to do with me needing a permit to rent the place for any assembly.I guarantee the venue has permits.
Probably true but, depending on where you live, if you want to invite 500 people you might.
He who takes the class of course. If you think a government program to subsidize the poor is warranted, so be it.
You have to ask yourself:And requiring a person to pay for a class as a condition to meet before they can exercise their rights is unconstitutional.
Is that your Constitutional law judgement or has the SCOTUS ruled on it? Everything is constitutional until they say it isn't.And requiring a person to pay for a class as a condition to meet before they can exercise their rights is unconstitutional.
The Federal Government grants Americans their rights in the constitution, a integral part of that government. Protection and enforcement of those rights are often delegated to the States and then delegated in turn to local governments.You have to ask yourself:
If the right to keep and bear arms was not given to you by the state, what standing does the state have to issue, must less require, a permit for the basic exercise of same?