Gun registration...yes, the democrats want it, yes, they want to use it to ban and confiscate guns....

[2aguy]

You need to know that the regulation of firearms consistent with Second Amendment jurisprudence does not constitute ‘infringement.’

The Second Amendment right is not unlimited; it is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.

Government has the authority to place limits and restrictions on the Second Amendment right consistent with its case law.

Second Amendment ‘absolutism’ is as ignorant as it is wrongheaded.

The actual restrictions outlined in Heller were keeping felons and the dangerously mentally ill from owning guns, denying carrying guns into courthouses....that was about it.

Everything else was allowed.

 

[2aguy]

This is as much a lie now as it was last February – just as wrong, ignorant, and baseless.

Gun registration is perfectly lawful and Constitutional; it fails as a slippery slope fallacy to claim that gun registration results in ‘bans’ and ‘confiscations.’

And it is a lie to claim that Democrats seek to ‘ban’ or ‘confiscate’ guns.

What is true is that conservatives are liars and demagogues – this thread is further proof of that.

Gun Registration is not Constitutional.....you do not have to register as a journalist or a priest with the government before exercising your First Amendment Rights....you doofus.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Not even close........requiring a permit simply to own a gun is an infringement on the Right...requiring a permit to access a community space where competing groups might want to use it is simply time management.....

This would be the same...requiring a permit to print an article, become a journalist or write a book ......that would be the same as requiring a permit to own a gun....

Do you think you should have to get a permit to write a book? An article in a newspaper or magazine? to publish a pamphlet?

It's a poll tax.

 

[alang1216]

Ok so slavery can be reinstituted?
Voting rights can be taken away?
The right to redress the government can be taken away?
The government can create a state mandated religion?

Yes, there are mechanisms in place to allow all those.

 

[alang1216]

Private proprety

Public road. If you had to get to a hospital you'd be very unhappy.

 

[alang1216]

Not even close........requiring a permit simply to own a gun is an infringement on the Right...requiring a permit to access a community space where competing groups might want to use it is simply time management.....

Or public safety?

This would be the same...requiring a permit to print an article, become a journalist or write a book ......that would be the same as requiring a permit to own a gun....

Not in my mind or is there a public safety aspect I'm missing?

 

[alang1216]

Nope...they allowed Socialists, the nazis to march through a Jewish neighborhood here in Illinois.......they have, in the past, allowed democrat party kkk members to march in various locations here in illinois....both were met with counter protestors.....yet they could not be stopped from marching.

Was there a valid public safety issue? Did they require the marchers to pay for the police presence?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Yes, there are mechanisms in place to allow all those.

It's called the amendment system and approved by the people not the government

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Public road. If you had to get to a hospital you'd be very unhappy.

Woodstock was in private property

 

[alang1216]

It's called the amendment system and approved by the people not the government

It's called the amendment system and approved by the people OR the government

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Or public safety?


Not in my mind or is there a public safety aspect I'm missing?

Poll taxes are unconstitutional.

 

[alang1216]

Woodstock was in private property

Are you claiming there was no effect on anyone else? Do you have eyes?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

It's called the amendment system and approved by the people OR the government

No government cannot deprive citizens of their rights

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Are you claiming there was no effect on anyone else? Do you have eyes?

You posted a picture of Woodstock when the discussion was about public venues.

 

[2aguy]

Was there a valid public safety issue? Did they require the marchers to pay for the police presence?

Yes......the possibility of violence was there.....

 

[Blues Man]

The road to Woodstock, 1969:

So the best you have is that?
And how are anyone's rights being violated by a traffic jam?

 

[alang1216]

No government cannot deprive citizens of their rights

Every government can and does. At least here on Earth.

 

[alang1216]

You posted a picture of Woodstock when the discussion was about public venues.

The picture was a public road blocked by people going to Woodstock.

 

[alang1216]

Was there a valid public safety issue? Did they require the marchers to pay for the police presence?

Yes......the possibility of violence was there.....

Was that factored in: Was the route restricted? Were the times restricted? Did they require the marchers to pay for the police presence?

 

[alang1216]

So the best you have is that?
And how are anyone's rights being violated by a traffic jam?

If my wife was about to give birth I'd be very upset if I couldn't drive her to the hospital. Public roads support ambulances, fire trucks, police cars, and buses and people's jobs, health, and safety depend on them. What about their rights?