CDZ gun magazine bullet limits...they only effect law abiding gun owners so why do we need them.

[2aguy]

Okay ....show me how I am wrong on each one.....

Licensing gun owners...how am I wrong?

Gun registration...how am I wrong? Please read Haynes v. United States.....

Universal Background checks....how do they work any better than current, mandatory federal background checks?

Current background checks aren't mandatory. I can legally buy a truck load of guns today without even giving my name.

Wrong....that would be illegal.....you have to get a background check through any purchase from a licensed dealer....any private seller can only sell from their own collection...and they cannot be doing it in anyway that would make them equal to a licensed dealer..if you bought a truck load of guns from someone, you would both go to jail...without background checks.

There is no requirement to report any sale from an individual, to anybody, so who would know? I could easily buy from more than one seller. There are tons of them in the parking lot of every gun show here in Texas.

Yeah....and when you are caught breaking the law with those guns you can turn in the sellers for a reduced sentence....just like any other crime....and the virtue of that.....law abiding gun owners who have committed no crime, are not put in legal jeopardy.....

And if we had universal background checks....you would just do like criminals do now....you would either find someone who would break the law and sell to you anyway...defeating the universal background check, or you would use someone with a clean record to buy the gun for you....defeating the universal background check....

You just can't admit the truth. Your silly excuses don't work.

Again...you can't answer my post...so you post what you did...a sad excuse for a post that doesn't address the issue, because you can't. What I pointed out makes sense, it is the way all other crimes are dealt with...but because you have a fetish about guns, you want them treated in a different way...even though every thing you want to do will not achieve anything you say you want....which has been demonstrated to you over and over again...

 

[BULLDOG]

Current background checks aren't mandatory. I can legally buy a truck load of guns today without even giving my name.

Wrong....that would be illegal.....you have to get a background check through any purchase from a licensed dealer....any private seller can only sell from their own collection...and they cannot be doing it in anyway that would make them equal to a licensed dealer..if you bought a truck load of guns from someone, you would both go to jail...without background checks.

There is no requirement to report any sale from an individual, to anybody, so who would know? I could easily buy from more than one seller. There are tons of them in the parking lot of every gun show here in Texas.

Yeah....and when you are caught breaking the law with those guns you can turn in the sellers for a reduced sentence....just like any other crime....and the virtue of that.....law abiding gun owners who have committed no crime, are not put in legal jeopardy.....

And if we had universal background checks....you would just do like criminals do now....you would either find someone who would break the law and sell to you anyway...defeating the universal background check, or you would use someone with a clean record to buy the gun for you....defeating the universal background check....

You just can't admit the truth. Your silly excuses don't work.

Again...you can't answer my post...so you post what you did...a sad excuse for a post that doesn't address the issue, because you can't. What I pointed out makes sense, it is the way all other crimes are dealt with...but because you have a fetish about guns, you want them treated in a different way...even though every thing you want to do will not achieve anything you say you want....which has been demonstrated to you over and over again...

What you pointed out only makes sense to a gun nut. Enjoy things as they are while you can. they will change, and you can't stop that.

 

[2aguy]

Wrong....that would be illegal.....you have to get a background check through any purchase from a licensed dealer....any private seller can only sell from their own collection...and they cannot be doing it in anyway that would make them equal to a licensed dealer..if you bought a truck load of guns from someone, you would both go to jail...without background checks.

There is no requirement to report any sale from an individual, to anybody, so who would know? I could easily buy from more than one seller. There are tons of them in the parking lot of every gun show here in Texas.

Yeah....and when you are caught breaking the law with those guns you can turn in the sellers for a reduced sentence....just like any other crime....and the virtue of that.....law abiding gun owners who have committed no crime, are not put in legal jeopardy.....

And if we had universal background checks....you would just do like criminals do now....you would either find someone who would break the law and sell to you anyway...defeating the universal background check, or you would use someone with a clean record to buy the gun for you....defeating the universal background check....

You just can't admit the truth. Your silly excuses don't work.

Again...you can't answer my post...so you post what you did...a sad excuse for a post that doesn't address the issue, because you can't. What I pointed out makes sense, it is the way all other crimes are dealt with...but because you have a fetish about guns, you want them treated in a different way...even though every thing you want to do will not achieve anything you say you want....which has been demonstrated to you over and over again...

What you pointed out only makes sense to a gun nut. Enjoy things as they are while you can. they will change, and you can't stop that.

You still fail to address my actual points...because you can't.....

 

[jasonnfree]

The anti gunners keep pushing for limits on the number of bullets normal people can have in their pistols and rifles........the reason.....if they limit the number to 10, they can ban certain types of pistols and rifles without having to call it a ban and without having to pass gun control legislation banning all of those weapons......

What is the point......who is really effected by magazine bullet limits...

Mass Public shooters....? No. They can kill easily by exchanging magazines...and actual research shows that magazine capacity has no bearing on the number of people killed...

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN


Criminals....? No. They can get whatever they want...even in countries with complete bans and confiscation of guns....France bans all semi auto rifles and all fully auto rifles...and their criminals and their terrorists get those rifles and standard magazines easily.....

the people who are hurt....those who are law abiding...who are on their own in the face of criminal attack, who will have no help and will have to rely on their pistol to save their life........

What is the point of all this gun grabbing? Maybe the demorats who want to bring all the refugees and illegals here want a safe and gun free atmosphere for these potential voters?

 

[BULLDOG]

The anti gunners keep pushing for limits on the number of bullets normal people can have in their pistols and rifles........the reason.....if they limit the number to 10, they can ban certain types of pistols and rifles without having to call it a ban and without having to pass gun control legislation banning all of those weapons......

What is the point......who is really effected by magazine bullet limits...

Mass Public shooters....? No. They can kill easily by exchanging magazines...and actual research shows that magazine capacity has no bearing on the number of people killed...

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN


Criminals....? No. They can get whatever they want...even in countries with complete bans and confiscation of guns....France bans all semi auto rifles and all fully auto rifles...and their criminals and their terrorists get those rifles and standard magazines easily.....

the people who are hurt....those who are law abiding...who are on their own in the face of criminal attack, who will have no help and will have to rely on their pistol to save their life........

What is the point of all this gun grabbing? Maybe the demorats who want to bring all the refugees and illegals here want a safe and gun free atmosphere for these potential voters?

Can you name a single person who has had his guns taken?

 

[M14 Shooter]

What is the point of all this gun grabbing?

So long as the populace is armed, the state cannot have a monopoly on force.

 

[BULLDOG]

What is the point of all this gun grabbing?

So long as the populace is armed, the state cannot have a monopoly on force.

What good would your pop gun do against a drone?

 

[Skull Pilot]

The anti gunners keep pushing for limits on the number of bullets normal people can have in their pistols and rifles........the reason.....if they limit the number to 10, they can ban certain types of pistols and rifles without having to call it a ban and without having to pass gun control legislation banning all of those weapons......

What is the point......who is really effected by magazine bullet limits...

Mass Public shooters....? No. They can kill easily by exchanging magazines...and actual research shows that magazine capacity has no bearing on the number of people killed...

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN


Criminals....? No. They can get whatever they want...even in countries with complete bans and confiscation of guns....France bans all semi auto rifles and all fully auto rifles...and their criminals and their terrorists get those rifles and standard magazines easily.....

the people who are hurt....those who are law abiding...who are on their own in the face of criminal attack, who will have no help and will have to rely on their pistol to save their life........

What is the point of all this gun grabbing? Maybe the demorats who want to bring all the refugees and illegals here want a safe and gun free atmosphere for these potential voters?

Can you name a single person who has had his guns taken?

It's the death of a thousand cuts

First you can't buy this rifle then you can't buy this magazine
Then all rifles with detachable magazines will be reclassified as assault rifles and be banned
Then all semiautomatic rifles will be banned

and we haven't even mentioned handguns yet

To deny the long game of the anti second amendment crowd is to be naive to the point of mental retardation

 

[2aguy]

The anti gunners keep pushing for limits on the number of bullets normal people can have in their pistols and rifles........the reason.....if they limit the number to 10, they can ban certain types of pistols and rifles without having to call it a ban and without having to pass gun control legislation banning all of those weapons......

What is the point......who is really effected by magazine bullet limits...

Mass Public shooters....? No. They can kill easily by exchanging magazines...and actual research shows that magazine capacity has no bearing on the number of people killed...

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN


Criminals....? No. They can get whatever they want...even in countries with complete bans and confiscation of guns....France bans all semi auto rifles and all fully auto rifles...and their criminals and their terrorists get those rifles and standard magazines easily.....

the people who are hurt....those who are law abiding...who are on their own in the face of criminal attack, who will have no help and will have to rely on their pistol to save their life........

What is the point of all this gun grabbing? Maybe the demorats who want to bring all the refugees and illegals here want a safe and gun free atmosphere for these potential voters?

Can you name a single person who has had his guns taken?

What is the point of all this gun grabbing?

So long as the populace is armed, the state cannot have a monopoly on force.

What good would your pop gun do against a drone?

Ask the taliban and isis......who are driving us out of Iraq and Afghanistan because we are just not interested in fighting anymore.....all they have are rifles and IEDs........vs. the might of the U.S....including drones....

 

[BULLDOG]

The anti gunners keep pushing for limits on the number of bullets normal people can have in their pistols and rifles........the reason.....if they limit the number to 10, they can ban certain types of pistols and rifles without having to call it a ban and without having to pass gun control legislation banning all of those weapons......

What is the point......who is really effected by magazine bullet limits...

Mass Public shooters....? No. They can kill easily by exchanging magazines...and actual research shows that magazine capacity has no bearing on the number of people killed...

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN


Criminals....? No. They can get whatever they want...even in countries with complete bans and confiscation of guns....France bans all semi auto rifles and all fully auto rifles...and their criminals and their terrorists get those rifles and standard magazines easily.....

the people who are hurt....those who are law abiding...who are on their own in the face of criminal attack, who will have no help and will have to rely on their pistol to save their life........

What is the point of all this gun grabbing? Maybe the demorats who want to bring all the refugees and illegals here want a safe and gun free atmosphere for these potential voters?

Can you name a single person who has had his guns taken?

It's the death of a thousand cuts

First you can't buy this rifle then you can't buy this magazine
Then all rifles with detachable magazines will be reclassified as assault rifles and be banned
Then all semiautomatic rifles will be banned

and we haven't even mentioned handguns yet

To deny the long game of the anti second amendment crowd is to be naive to the point of mental retardation

How long have you been saying someone was going to tale all your guns?

 

[2aguy]

The anti gunners keep pushing for limits on the number of bullets normal people can have in their pistols and rifles........the reason.....if they limit the number to 10, they can ban certain types of pistols and rifles without having to call it a ban and without having to pass gun control legislation banning all of those weapons......

What is the point......who is really effected by magazine bullet limits...

Mass Public shooters....? No. They can kill easily by exchanging magazines...and actual research shows that magazine capacity has no bearing on the number of people killed...

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN


Criminals....? No. They can get whatever they want...even in countries with complete bans and confiscation of guns....France bans all semi auto rifles and all fully auto rifles...and their criminals and their terrorists get those rifles and standard magazines easily.....

the people who are hurt....those who are law abiding...who are on their own in the face of criminal attack, who will have no help and will have to rely on their pistol to save their life........

What is the point of all this gun grabbing? Maybe the demorats who want to bring all the refugees and illegals here want a safe and gun free atmosphere for these potential voters?

Can you name a single person who has had his guns taken?

It's the death of a thousand cuts

First you can't buy this rifle then you can't buy this magazine
Then all rifles with detachable magazines will be reclassified as assault rifles and be banned
Then all semiautomatic rifles will be banned

and we haven't even mentioned handguns yet

To deny the long game of the anti second amendment crowd is to be naive to the point of mental retardation

How long have you been saying someone was going to tale all your guns?

It took the Brits a long time to finally grab the guns, Australia less time, and the Germans about 20 years...after they registered them....

 

[Skull Pilot]

The anti gunners keep pushing for limits on the number of bullets normal people can have in their pistols and rifles........the reason.....if they limit the number to 10, they can ban certain types of pistols and rifles without having to call it a ban and without having to pass gun control legislation banning all of those weapons......

What is the point......who is really effected by magazine bullet limits...

Mass Public shooters....? No. They can kill easily by exchanging magazines...and actual research shows that magazine capacity has no bearing on the number of people killed...

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN


Criminals....? No. They can get whatever they want...even in countries with complete bans and confiscation of guns....France bans all semi auto rifles and all fully auto rifles...and their criminals and their terrorists get those rifles and standard magazines easily.....

the people who are hurt....those who are law abiding...who are on their own in the face of criminal attack, who will have no help and will have to rely on their pistol to save their life........

What is the point of all this gun grabbing? Maybe the demorats who want to bring all the refugees and illegals here want a safe and gun free atmosphere for these potential voters?

Can you name a single person who has had his guns taken?

It's the death of a thousand cuts

First you can't buy this rifle then you can't buy this magazine
Then all rifles with detachable magazines will be reclassified as assault rifles and be banned
Then all semiautomatic rifles will be banned

and we haven't even mentioned handguns yet

To deny the long game of the anti second amendment crowd is to be naive to the point of mental retardation

How long have you been saying someone was going to tale all your guns?

I've never said that.

If you could read you'd know what I just said but you ask a completely irrelevant question instead

No the anti gun crown may never successfully take away all guns but if enough of them are made illegal the effect is comparable.

THAT is the objective and that is the long game.

There will be entire classes of weapons deemed illegal. Semiautomatic rifles with detachable magazines are first on the wish list.
Then internal magazine capacity will be limited
Then certain calibers will be banned

It's the long game which it seems you are utterly incapable of comprehending

 

[BULLDOG]

The anti gunners keep pushing for limits on the number of bullets normal people can have in their pistols and rifles........the reason.....if they limit the number to 10, they can ban certain types of pistols and rifles without having to call it a ban and without having to pass gun control legislation banning all of those weapons......

What is the point......who is really effected by magazine bullet limits...

Mass Public shooters....? No. They can kill easily by exchanging magazines...and actual research shows that magazine capacity has no bearing on the number of people killed...

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN


Criminals....? No. They can get whatever they want...even in countries with complete bans and confiscation of guns....France bans all semi auto rifles and all fully auto rifles...and their criminals and their terrorists get those rifles and standard magazines easily.....

the people who are hurt....those who are law abiding...who are on their own in the face of criminal attack, who will have no help and will have to rely on their pistol to save their life........

What is the point of all this gun grabbing? Maybe the demorats who want to bring all the refugees and illegals here want a safe and gun free atmosphere for these potential voters?

Can you name a single person who has had his guns taken?

It's the death of a thousand cuts

First you can't buy this rifle then you can't buy this magazine
Then all rifles with detachable magazines will be reclassified as assault rifles and be banned
Then all semiautomatic rifles will be banned

and we haven't even mentioned handguns yet

To deny the long game of the anti second amendment crowd is to be naive to the point of mental retardation

How long have you been saying someone was going to tale all your guns?

I've never said that.

If you could read you'd know what I just said but you ask a completely irrelevant question instead

No the anti gun crown may never successfully take away all guns but if enough of them are made illegal the effect is comparable.

THAT is the objective and that is the long game.

There will be entire classes of weapons deemed illegal. Semiautomatic rifles with detachable magazines are first on the wish list.
Then internal magazine capacity will be limited
Then certain calibers will be banned

It's the long game which it seems you are utterly incapable of comprehending

Must be a long game that hasn't started yet. Can you name anyone who has had any of their guns taken from them?

 

[Skull Pilot]

What is the point of all this gun grabbing? Maybe the demorats who want to bring all the refugees and illegals here want a safe and gun free atmosphere for these potential voters?

Can you name a single person who has had his guns taken?

It's the death of a thousand cuts

First you can't buy this rifle then you can't buy this magazine
Then all rifles with detachable magazines will be reclassified as assault rifles and be banned
Then all semiautomatic rifles will be banned

and we haven't even mentioned handguns yet

To deny the long game of the anti second amendment crowd is to be naive to the point of mental retardation

How long have you been saying someone was going to tale all your guns?

I've never said that.

If you could read you'd know what I just said but you ask a completely irrelevant question instead

No the anti gun crown may never successfully take away all guns but if enough of them are made illegal the effect is comparable.

THAT is the objective and that is the long game.

There will be entire classes of weapons deemed illegal. Semiautomatic rifles with detachable magazines are first on the wish list.
Then internal magazine capacity will be limited
Then certain calibers will be banned

It's the long game which it seems you are utterly incapable of comprehending

Must be a long game that hasn't started yet. Can you name anyone who has had any of their guns taken from them?

Once again where did I ever mention guns being taken away?

We already have certain weapons that are nothing but your average everyday semiautomatic rifles that have been around since the 1860's that are now banned in many places

We already have laws that say it's a crime to have a magazine with a certain capacity

In CA they are trying to ban all rifles with detachable magazines

You want to deny these facts

 

[Wilbur Right]

Can you name a single person who has had his guns taken?

Once again where did I ever mention guns being taken away?

Bulldog, don't you like how flexible gun nutters are? They admit no one's guns have been taken away. And in the next breath clAim they KNOW that anti gunners are going to take their guns.

But BEFORE that happens, the anti gunners are going to take away their favorite binky gun toys. Semi auto rifles, detachable mags, cop killer bullets etc.

Of course the fact you can go out TODAY and buy all those items makes no difference.

In reality, all gun nutters have these weird ass fears they need to project on others. Why I don't know.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Can you name a single person who has had his guns taken?

Once again where did I ever mention guns being taken away?

Bulldog, don't you like how flexible gun nutters are? They admit no one's guns have been taken away. And in the next breath clAim they KNOW that anti gunners are going to take their guns.

But BEFORE that happens, the anti gunners are going to take away their favorite binky gun toys. Semi auto rifles, detachable mags, cop killer bullets etc.

Of course the fact you can go out TODAY and buy all those items makes no difference.

In reality, all gun nutters have these weird ass fears they need to project on others. Why I don't know.

I have never once said anything about anyone's guns being taken away

Go ahead and try to find a post where I have and quote it

I am talking about the systematic weakening of the second amendment as a long term strategy of the anti-gun and instead of addressing any of my posts on the topic I get idiotic questions like

"Who do you know that has had their guns taken away?"

So all I can do is assume no one wants to respond to anything in other than preprogrammed partisan bullshit

 

[Wilbur Right]

I am talking about the systematic weakening of the second amendment as a long term strategy of the anti-gun and instead of addressing any of my posts on the topic I get idiotic questions like

Get out of here. You really believe and are prepared to say right here right now that you fully believe that once the gun grabbers eliminate the binky toys for guns that they will stop and not proceed with their ideas to take all guns. Go ahead, say it.

Put that slippery slope argument to rest.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I am talking about the systematic weakening of the second amendment as a long term strategy of the anti-gun and instead of addressing any of my posts on the topic I get idiotic questions like

Get out of here. You really believe and are prepared to say right here right now that you fully believe that once the gun grabbers eliminate the binky toys for guns that they will stop and not proceed with their ideas to take all guns. Go ahead, say it.

Put that slippery slope argument to rest.

I've never once said it and you obviously can't find a post where I did
In fact in this very thread I said I don't think it's possible to take all guns away from the public
but you obviously don't read well enough to have been able to understand my post

 

[Wilbur Right]

I've never once said it and you obviously can't find a post where I did
In fact in this very thread I said I don't think it's possible to take all guns away from the public

IF no one is taking our guns away and I can still buy all the semi auto rifles and all the binky accoutrements, then what is the fucking OBSESSION about people taking away our guns all about?

By your own admission, no one is taking away anything concerning guns. There is no real gun control..anyone who wants a gun can get one. You call that gun control?

 

[Skull Pilot]

I've never once said it and you obviously can't find a post where I did
In fact in this very thread I said I don't think it's possible to take all guns away from the public

IF no one is taking our guns away and I can still buy all the semi auto rifles and all the binky accoutrements, then what is the fucking OBSESSION about people taking away our guns all about?

By your own admission, no one is taking away anything concerning guns. There is no real gun control..anyone who wants a gun can get one. You call that gun control?

So you can buy an AR15 in CT?

No you can't

So you can buy a 30 round magazine in CA

No you can't

Right now in CA they are trying to ban all rifles with detachable magazines

So don't tell me there isn't a movement out there to weaken the second amendment

If I have any gun in my possession in my state with a magazine of more than 10 rounds I will be convicted of a felony

Like I said you're obviously too stupid to notice the gradual erosion of gun rights and are only capable of least sophisticated observations