Gun control works….two 13 year old boys shot in Britain. You know, where guns were banned and confiscated.

How many kids were killed in America in the last month? Embarrassing isn't it.
Don't quote other countries tragedies as some pathetic justification. Grow up and accept the fact, you have no need for all these guns in circulation.
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Just a general observation, wouldn't there be less gun crime in the USA if there were less guns in circulation and therefore easily obtained by these "criminals"?


Wouldn't there be less rape, if women just stopped reporting them? Wouldn't there be less robbery if people voluntarily handed over their goods to other people who demanded them?

Wouldn't there be less robbery if there was less money in a society? Fewer wallets owned by people?
 
How many kids were killed in America in the last month? Embarrassing isn't it.
Don't quote other countries tragedies as some pathetic justification. Grow up and accept the fact, you have no need for all these guns in circulation.

Let's focus on gun deaths ....shall we.....2019

Children: ( age <1 to 14, stopping at 14 because 15 year old gang members begin to skew the data...)

Gun murder

Age <1 to 14...........269

Other types of Child murder.....\

893

Accidental gun death

Age <1 to 14

51


Now.....other causes......

Drowning......645
Poisoning.....74
Falls.............58
Suffocation.....1,295
Cars.....1,282
 
Democrat party controlled cities cause the gun crime rates, you doofus...another anti-gun idiot tried to make the same dumb point you are making this week, and was owned just like you.....
The most violent crimes against persons are aggravated or first degree in most STATE laws prosecuted by the state. Get a grip on reality. You don’t seem to know much. If anyone is let go for aggravated assault, it’s at the state level by a state appointed justice. Thinking the town has control of the state justice system is ridiculous. The state laws in many southern states are notoriously weak and vague for one reason. It allows prosecution to be selective vs minorities including plea bargaining where many minorities sit in jail for years who have never been convicted. It’s a national disgrace at the foot of the racist gop state governments.


BtW, look at the 8 most dangerous cities. Just as many in Southern states. Local governments
Gee, where is Chicago ? No where to be found.

1 Anchorage, Alaska
2. Memphis, Tennessee Mississippi-Arkansas
3. Lubbock, Texas
4. Detroit-Dearborn-Livonia, Michigan
5. Springfield, Missouri
6. San Francisco-San Mateo-Redwood City, California
7. Corpus Christi, Texas
8. Shreveport-Bossier City, Louisiana
 
The most violent crimes against persons are aggravated or first degree in most STATE laws prosecuted by the state. Get a grip on reality. You don’t seem to know much. If anyone is let go for aggravated assault, it’s at the state level by a state appointed justice. Thinking the town has control of the state justice system is ridiculous. The state laws in many southern states are notoriously weak and vague for one reason. It allows prosecution to be selective vs minorities including plea bargaining where many minorities sit in jail for years who have never been convicted. It’s a national disgrace at the foot of the racist gop state governments.


BtW, look at the 8 most dangerous cities. Just as many in Southern states. Local governments
Gee, where is Chicago ? No where to be found.

1 Anchorage, Alaska
2. Memphis, Tennessee Mississippi-Arkansas
3. Lubbock, Texas
4. Detroit-Dearborn-Livonia, Michigan
5. Springfield, Missouri
6. San Francisco-San Mateo-Redwood City, California
7. Corpus Christi, Texas
8. Shreveport-Bossier City, Louisiana



Moron, the states listed right there...that you don't link to the crime stats for....are controlled by democrats...........and the only exception is Alaska whose problem is lack of police in the Tribal areas, and massive alcohol and drug problems...it is also a haven for criminals hiding from the law....

Texas? You mean the state that shares the border with the Narco State of Mexico........where the democrats have allowed drug cartels to run across the border without stopping them?

You need to work harder to push your lies....
 
Moron, the states listed right there...that you don't link to the crime stats for....are controlled by democrats...........and the only exception is Alaska whose problem is lack of police in the Tribal areas, and massive alcohol and drug problems...it is also a haven for criminals hiding from the law....

Texas? You mean the state that shares the border with the Narco State of Mexico........where the democrats have allowed drug cartels to run across the border without stopping them?

You need to work harder to push your lies....
Arkansas, repo, Texas repo….your remarks are foolish. Really, do you ever check to make sure before you make up shit ?
 
Just a general observation, wouldn't there be less gun crime in the USA if there were less guns in circulation and therefore easily obtained by these "criminals"?
Exactly; we lead the industrialized world in both gun violence and firearm ownership. “the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun” is a stupid argument. Comon sense gun
laws are to reduce the number of bad guys with guns so ideally, only good guys have easy access to a gun. But no. Gun a holics just want to appease firearm makers.
 
Arkansas, repo, Texas repo….your remarks are foolish. Really, do you ever check to make sure before you make up shit ?


Moron....blue cities drive up the rates of murder in Red states...you doofus...then throw in the democrat party war on police and you have cops across the country who will not jeopardize their jobs, their pensions or their families to pro-actively stop criminals.
 
Exactly; we lead the industrialized world in both gun violence and firearm ownership. “the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun” is a stupid argument. Comon sense gun
laws are to reduce the number of bad guys with guns so ideally, only good guys have easy access to a gun. But no. Gun a holics just want to appease firearm makers.


Are you really this stupid, or are you trolling?

Mexico has one gun store, it is on a military base and only special people are allowed to access it.......the drug cartels have all the guns they want....dittos the criminals in Europe who use fully automatic military rifles and grenades....you dope.
 
Exactly; we lead the industrialized world in both gun violence and firearm ownership. “the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun” is a stupid argument. Comon sense gun
laws are to reduce the number of bad guys with guns so ideally, only good guys have easy access to a gun. But no. Gun a holics just want to appease firearm makers.
Correct. I think 2aGuy might be employed by Ruger, as he's posting adverts for them...😉
If you want to own a gun, you need proper training. People take driving lessons and have to pass a competence test before they get a licence to drive, so why not the same for guns? Any responsible gun owner would agree, I would think.
 
I'm in Spain at the moment, here's how Spanish gun law works

Ownership of firearms in Spain?​

The Legislation on the use and ownership of firearms in Spain is probably one of the most restrictive in Europe. This is included in the Spanish constitution under article 149.26 where it is said that the Spanish government has exclusive competence control over production, sale, possession and use of firearms and explosives.
Spanish law, except in specific cases determined by Spanish authorities (mostly related to security forces or people in a situation of grave danger), considers the use of weapons only for Olympic shooting and other official shooting sports or hunting.
The possession of machine guns, submachine guns and any other kind of automatic weapons is strictly forbidden except for military personnel and elite police forces only within the context of their missions.

Can I obtain a licence for firearms?​

In order to have a license for firearms you have to be of age and pass a theory exam and a psychological examination. You will have to store the weapons in a safe intended for this use.
There are several licenses available:
  • Licence A: All kinds of weapons except automatic and war weapons. This license is exclusive for members of the state and the security forces.
  • Licence B: Self defence, allowing the possession and use of handguns under special government authorisation.
  • Licence C: Ownership and possession of handguns in the context of private security duties.
  • Licence D: Licence specifically intended for big-game hunting allowing the use of rifles and multifunction shotguns.
  • Licence E: License specifically intended for small-game hunting (game no bigger than a fox), including shotguns.
  • Licence F: Focused on the use and possession of sport weapons and Olympic shooting sports, including pistols and carbines.
  • Licence AE: For muzzleloader weapons, specifically for collectors (if the weapons are in working conditions).
  • License AEM (Autorización especial de Menores, special authorization for minors): License for minors intended as a preparation for license F. This license is difficult to obtain, and regulate the strict supervision of the minor using the weapons.

How can I buy or sell a weapon?​

Once the license is obtained, a weapon can be purchased in an armoury, nevertheless the purchaser cannot walk away with the new weapon. The armoury will have to send it to the new owner address using a specialized transport company.
Weapons can be sold to another person with a legitimate licence. The sale will have to be authorised and supervised by the Guardia Civil. After filling the forms and receiving the authorisations the seller will surrender the arm to the Guardia Civil. The buyer will then fetch collect it on the Guardia Civil premises.
Weapons can be lent to another person for a maximum time of 15 days provided that a form is filed at the Guardia Civil and the other person has the necessary licenses.

Can I use a firearm for self-defence?​

Security professionals during their servicewhile working are allowed to use their calibre 38 handguns within a specific mission (they are not allowed to use any other weapon) and only for self-defence.
A private person can use a firearm only for hunting or for sport shooting. In very specific cases (people under threat or security officials) the government can authorise the use of a handgun for self-defence.
There are many cases of people with a license for sport or hunting, that after have used their weapon in acase of self-defence and then were sentenced for illegal use of firearms.

Spain hasn't had a peacetime mass shooting, Compare Spanish gun deaths with American, In Spain in 2017 there were 282 gun deaths (all causes) .58/100,000 popn, compared to USA 39,773 in the same year 12.21/100,000 popn.
 
Are you really this stupid, or are you trolling?

Mexico has one gun store, it is on a military base and only special people are allowed to access it.......the drug cartels have all the guns they want....dittos the criminals in Europe who use fully automatic military rifles and grenades....you dope.
Yes, Mexican drug cartels get all the guns they want, from the USA, where they are so easy to get.
 
Let's focus on gun deaths ....shall we.....2019

Children: ( age <1 to 14, stopping at 14 because 15 year old gang members begin to skew the data...)

Gun murder

Age <1 to 14...........269

Other types of Child murder.....\

893

Accidental gun death

Age <1 to 14

51


Now.....other causes......

Drowning......645
Poisoning.....74
Falls.............58
Suffocation.....1,295
Cars.....1,282
Yes, 269 unecessary and avoidable deaths.
 
I'm in Spain at the moment, here's how Spanish gun law works

Ownership of firearms in Spain?​

The Legislation on the use and ownership of firearms in Spain is probably one of the most restrictive in Europe. This is included in the Spanish constitution under article 149.26 where it is said that the Spanish government has exclusive competence control over production, sale, possession and use of firearms and explosives.
Spanish law, except in specific cases determined by Spanish authorities (mostly related to security forces or people in a situation of grave danger), considers the use of weapons only for Olympic shooting and other official shooting sports or hunting.
The possession of machine guns, submachine guns and any other kind of automatic weapons is strictly forbidden except for military personnel and elite police forces only within the context of their missions.

Can I obtain a licence for firearms?​

In order to have a license for firearms you have to be of age and pass a theory exam and a psychological examination. You will have to store the weapons in a safe intended for this use.
There are several licenses available:
  • Licence A: All kinds of weapons except automatic and war weapons. This license is exclusive for members of the state and the security forces.
  • Licence B: Self defence, allowing the possession and use of handguns under special government authorisation.
  • Licence C: Ownership and possession of handguns in the context of private security duties.
  • Licence D: Licence specifically intended for big-game hunting allowing the use of rifles and multifunction shotguns.
  • Licence E: License specifically intended for small-game hunting (game no bigger than a fox), including shotguns.
  • Licence F: Focused on the use and possession of sport weapons and Olympic shooting sports, including pistols and carbines.
  • Licence AE: For muzzleloader weapons, specifically for collectors (if the weapons are in working conditions).
  • License AEM (Autorización especial de Menores, special authorization for minors): License for minors intended as a preparation for license F. This license is difficult to obtain, and regulate the strict supervision of the minor using the weapons.

How can I buy or sell a weapon?​

Once the license is obtained, a weapon can be purchased in an armoury, nevertheless the purchaser cannot walk away with the new weapon. The armoury will have to send it to the new owner address using a specialized transport company.
Weapons can be sold to another person with a legitimate licence. The sale will have to be authorised and supervised by the Guardia Civil. After filling the forms and receiving the authorisations the seller will surrender the arm to the Guardia Civil. The buyer will then fetch collect it on the Guardia Civil premises.
Weapons can be lent to another person for a maximum time of 15 days provided that a form is filed at the Guardia Civil and the other person has the necessary licenses.

Can I use a firearm for self-defence?​

Security professionals during their servicewhile working are allowed to use their calibre 38 handguns within a specific mission (they are not allowed to use any other weapon) and only for self-defence.
A private person can use a firearm only for hunting or for sport shooting. In very specific cases (people under threat or security officials) the government can authorise the use of a handgun for self-defence.
There are many cases of people with a license for sport or hunting, that after have used their weapon in acase of self-defence and then were sentenced for illegal use of firearms.

Spain hasn't had a peacetime mass shooting, Compare Spanish gun deaths with American, In Spain in 2017 there were 282 gun deaths (all causes) .58/100,000 popn, compared to USA 39,773 in the same year 12.21/100,000 popn.


A private person can use a firearm only for hunting or for sport shooting. In very specific cases (people under threat or security officials) the government can authorise the use of a handgun for self-defence.



Yes......make it so difficult that normal people can't afford the time or money to own or carry a gun......so women walk the streets and get raped, normal people can be robbed, beaten and stabbed....but, the rich and politically connected can hunt with their rifles and fowling pieces....good for spain.

You posted that as if it makes any sense.....
 
Yes, 269 unecessary and avoidable deaths.


Lots of deaths are uneccessary and avoidable...like the women who are dragged from the bus stop or train station platform, beaten, raped and murdered....those are unecessary and avoidable too...but you don't want women to be able to stop those deaths......

More children are killed in drowning accidents than gun accidents.....645...yet we have pools, bathtubs and allow ocean and lake swimming.......

We have over 600 million guns and over 21.5 million Americans can carry guns in public for self defense.......and yet you would ban those guns over 269 murders....while 893 children were murdered by other means...........

Our problem is that we have a political party, the left wing, democrat party, judges, prosecutors and politicians constantly lowering the penalties for actual criminals using guns, releasing known gun offenders over and over again, no matter how many times they are caught and then they focus on normal gun owners who have shown over decades of ownership that they aren't the ones shooting people...

Your sense of priorities are screwed up beyond repair.....as a guy from a place where 15 million people were murdered by their governments at the hands of the German socialists, you really can't make any sane argument for giving the government control over guns...

They made the same arguments you made for surrendering their guns.....then 15 million of them were murdered by those same governments...

That you don't understand human nature and human history shows why we can't trust your judgement.
 
Yes, Mexican drug cartels get all the guns they want, from the USA, where they are so easy to get.


Actually, you show your ignorance here as well...we supply the Mexican government, they supply the drug cartels.....there is one gun store in all of Mexico, just like you want......the rules for getting into that gun store prohibit just about every Mexican citizen except for the rich and politically connected....just like you want....

And Mexico has a murder rate 3 times as high as we have.....

They also get their military weapons from China and Europe......
 
Correct. I think 2aGuy might be employed by Ruger, as he's posting adverts for them...😉
If you want to own a gun, you need proper training. People take driving lessons and have to pass a competence test before they get a licence to drive, so why not the same for guns? Any responsible gun owner would agree, I would think.


Governments didn't create licenses, then ban cars before they murdered 15 million innocent men, women and children in Europe....they licensed and banned guns, then murdered 15 million men, women and children....
 
Correct. I think 2aGuy might be employed by Ruger, as he's posting adverts for them...😉
If you want to own a gun, you need proper training. People take driving lessons and have to pass a competence test before they get a licence to drive, so why not the same for guns? Any responsible gun owner would agree, I would think.
EXACTLY
We already have a workable solution. The fed firearms laws already restrict full auto firearms.
As a result, there are very few instances of full auto firms used in the commission of ANY CRIME. Of course the movies shows them used all the time which is totally bogus. They aren ‘t used even though there are tens of thousands in the public domain. Simple regulation works for them and it would work for all firearms. THESE GUNAHOLICS are employed by all firearm makers to spread their BS.
 
EXACTLY
We already have a workable solution. The fed firearms laws already restrict full auto firearms.
As a result, there are very few instances of full auto firms used in the commission of ANY CRIME. Of course the movies shows them used all the time which is totally bogus. They aren ‘t used even though there are tens of thousands in the public domain. Simple regulation works for them and it would work for all firearms. THESE GUNAHOLICS are employed by all firearm makers to spread their BS.


Moron.....fully automatic military rifles are the preferred weapon among European criminals, along with grenades......fully automatic military weapons are illegal throughout the continent, as are grenades, and they are the preferred weapon of criminals there......

Our criminals prefer hand guns because they can hide them in the purse of their baby momma...or they used to...now that the democrat party has hamstrung the police, they simply carry the gun in their pants........they don't have to worry about the police anymore.....
 
I'm in Spain at the moment, here's how Spanish gun law works

Ownership of firearms in Spain?​

The Legislation on the use and ownership of firearms in Spain is probably one of the most restrictive in Europe. This is included in the Spanish constitution under article 149.26 where it is said that the Spanish government has exclusive competence control over production, sale, possession and use of firearms and explosives.
Spanish law, except in specific cases determined by Spanish authorities (mostly related to security forces or people in a situation of grave danger), considers the use of weapons only for Olympic shooting and other official shooting sports or hunting.
The possession of machine guns, submachine guns and any other kind of automatic weapons is strictly forbidden except for military personnel and elite police forces only within the context of their missions.

Can I obtain a licence for firearms?​

In order to have a license for firearms you have to be of age and pass a theory exam and a psychological examination. You will have to store the weapons in a safe intended for this use.
There are several licenses available:
  • Licence A: All kinds of weapons except automatic and war weapons. This license is exclusive for members of the state and the security forces.
  • Licence B: Self defence, allowing the possession and use of handguns under special government authorisation.
  • Licence C: Ownership and possession of handguns in the context of private security duties.
  • Licence D: Licence specifically intended for big-game hunting allowing the use of rifles and multifunction shotguns.
  • Licence E: License specifically intended for small-game hunting (game no bigger than a fox), including shotguns.
  • Licence F: Focused on the use and possession of sport weapons and Olympic shooting sports, including pistols and carbines.
  • Licence AE: For muzzleloader weapons, specifically for collectors (if the weapons are in working conditions).
  • License AEM (Autorización especial de Menores, special authorization for minors): License for minors intended as a preparation for license F. This license is difficult to obtain, and regulate the strict supervision of the minor using the weapons.

How can I buy or sell a weapon?​

Once the license is obtained, a weapon can be purchased in an armoury, nevertheless the purchaser cannot walk away with the new weapon. The armoury will have to send it to the new owner address using a specialized transport company.
Weapons can be sold to another person with a legitimate licence. The sale will have to be authorised and supervised by the Guardia Civil. After filling the forms and receiving the authorisations the seller will surrender the arm to the Guardia Civil. The buyer will then fetch collect it on the Guardia Civil premises.
Weapons can be lent to another person for a maximum time of 15 days provided that a form is filed at the Guardia Civil and the other person has the necessary licenses.

Can I use a firearm for self-defence?​

Security professionals during their servicewhile working are allowed to use their calibre 38 handguns within a specific mission (they are not allowed to use any other weapon) and only for self-defence.
A private person can use a firearm only for hunting or for sport shooting. In very specific cases (people under threat or security officials) the government can authorise the use of a handgun for self-defence.
There are many cases of people with a license for sport or hunting, that after have used their weapon in acase of self-defence and then were sentenced for illegal use of firearms.

Spain hasn't had a peacetime mass shooting, Compare Spanish gun deaths with American, In Spain in 2017 there were 282 gun deaths (all causes) .58/100,000 popn, compared to USA 39,773 in the same year 12.21/100,000 popn.
Yup..you can have guns for which only ligit uses are intended.,
You want to carry a gun, enlist in the arm forces, police force etc.


Consider Sweden which allows many gun owners…but.
Swedish gun laws – yes there are many guns in Sweden

  1. There are actually a lot of guns in Sweden, mostly because there is a lot of hunting. ...
  2. You cannot carry your gun around - only while you are hunting. ...
  3. You keep your guns locked up. This is key. ..
 

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