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OH, I so love it when you destroy your own argument with your own links.
Your SSRN link states "This paper has been removed from SSRN at the request of the author, SSRN, or the rights holder."
As I said before Kleck removed his paper when peer reviews demolished his findings.
Oh, BTW from the Reason article you quote,
"Kleck notes that it's simply impossible to extrapolate meaningfully from the small set of states surveyed over the course of those three years to a solid national DGU figure from the BRFSS itself: "We cannot directly apply these estimates to the U.S. because the sets of states do not constitute a probability sample of the U.S. The prevalence of DGU could be far higher in some states than in the nation as a whole if the states have higher-than-average rates of gun ownership and/or crime, or could be far lower if the set of states had lower gun ownership or crime rates."
No, the CDC wasn't studying DGUs at the time and from 1996 were no longer allowed to, even if they wanted to.And yet you have thenumbers the CDC dound and failed to follow up on because they wernt going to refute klecks work......
OH, I so love it when you destroy your own argument with your own links.
Your SSRN link states "This paper has been removed from SSRN at the request of the author, SSRN, or the rights holder."
As I said before Kleck removed his paper when peer reviews demolished his findings.
Oh, BTW from the Reason article you quote,
"Kleck notes that it's simply impossible to extrapolate meaningfully from the small set of states surveyed over the course of those three years to a solid national DGU figure from the BRFSS itself: "We cannot directly apply these estimates to the U.S. because the sets of states do not constitute a probability sample of the U.S. The prevalence of DGU could be far higher in some states than in the nation as a whole if the states have higher-than-average rates of gun ownership and/or crime, or could be far lower if the set of states had lower gun ownership or crime rates."
No, the CDC wasn't studying DGUs at the time and from 1996 were no longer allowed to, even if they wanted to.
While young women are given such excellent opportunities for the advancement of their careers under the direction of balding older gentlemen of the district in horn-rimmed glasses.Now, as their social welfare states have finally reached peak damage to their family and societal structure….their young men are turning to crime and violence…….
No, the CDC wasn't studying DGUs at the time and from 1996 were no longer allowed to, even if they wanted to.
Sounds like he's a paying customer then and she's going down for murder 1 in N.Y.C. because he's a regular guy on the train and all that.A woman is grabbed by a violent serial rapist at a bus stop, a train platform or in her apartment...he plans on beating, raping and murdering her. She has a gun, and can stop the rape with the gun......
Do you want her to use that gun to stop the rape?
So, none of the above relates to research into DGUs, nice try, but another 2aGuy fail.And this is a lie.......which, being you, you fell for.....
This is some gun research from the CEC in 2006....
Violence-Related Firearm Deaths Among Residents of Metropolitan Areas and Cities --- United States, 2006--2007
And this one....2003
Source of Firearms Used by Students in School-Associated Violent Deaths --- United States, 1992--1999
And this one....
http://www.thecommunityguide.org/violence/viol-AJPM-evrev-firearms-law.pdf
And this one....2001
Surveillance for Fatal and Nonfatal Firearm-Related Injuries --- United States, 1993--1998
And this one....2013
Firearm Homicides and Suicides in Major Metropolitan Areas — United States, 2006–2007 and 2009–2010
And this one...2014
Indoor Firing Ranges and Elevated Blood Lead Levels — United States, 2002–2013
And this one....
Rates of Homicide, Suicide, and Firearm-Related Death Among Children -- 26 Industrialized Countries
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The Deleware study of 2015...
When Gun Violence Felt Like a Disease, a City in Delaware Turned to the C.D.C. (Published 2015)
When epidemiologists from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention came to this city, they were not here to track an outbreak of meningitis or study the effectiveness of a particular vaccine.
They were here to examine gun violence.
This city of about 70,000 had a 45 percent jump in shootings from 2011 to 2013, and the violence has remained stubbornly high; 25 shooting deaths have been reported this year, slightly more than last year, according to the mayor’s office
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The final report, which has been submitted to the state, reached a conclusion that many here said they already knew: that there are certain patterns in the lives of many who commit gun violence.
“The majority of individuals involved in urban firearm violence are young men with substantial violence involvement preceding the more serious offense of a firearm crime,” the report said. “Our findings suggest that integrating data systems could help these individuals better receive the early, comprehensive help that they need to prevent violence involvement.”
Researchers analyzed data on 569 people charged with firearm crimes from 2009 to May 21, 2014, and looked for certain risk factors in their lives, such as whether they had been unemployed, had received help from assistance programs, had been possible victims of child abuse, or had been shot or stabbed. The idea was to show that linking such data could create a better understanding of who might need help before becoming involved in violence.
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Why Congress stopped gun control activism at the CDC
I was one of three medical doctors who testified before the House’s Labor, Health, Human Services, and Education Appropriations Subcommittee on March 6, 1996 about the CDC’s misdeeds. (Note: This testimony and related events are described in my three-part documented historical series). Here is what we showed the committee:
Kellermann and his colleagues used the case control method, traditionally an epidemiology research tool, to claim that having a gun in the home triples the risk of becoming a homicide victim. In the article Kellermann admitted that “a majority of the homicides (50.9 percent) occurred in the context of a quarrel or a romantic triangle.” Still another 30 percent “were related to drug dealing” or “occurred during the commission of another felony, such as a robbery, rape, or burglary.”
- Dr. Arthur Kellermann’s1993 New England Journal of Medicine article that launched his career as a rock star gun control advocate and gave rise to the much-repeated “three times” fallacy. His research was supported by two CDC grants.
In summary, the CDC funded a flawed study of crime-prone inner city residents who had been murdered in their homes. The authors then tried to equate this wildly unrepresentative group with typical American gun owners. The committee members were not amused.
“We’re going to systematically build a case that owning firearms causes deaths. We’re doing the most we can do, given the political realities.” (P.W. O’Carroll, Acting Section Head of Division of Injury Control, CDC, quoted in Marsha F. Goldsmith, “Epidemiologists Aim at New Target: Health Risk of Handgun Proliferation,” Journal of the American Medical Association vol. 261 no. 5, February 3, 1989, pp. 675-76.) Dr. O’Carroll later said he had been misquoted.
- The Winter 1993 CDC official publication, Public Health Policy for Preventing Violence, coauthored by CDC official Dr. Mark Rosenberg. This taxpayer-funded gun control polemic offered two strategies for preventing firearm injuries—“restrictive licensing (for example, only police, military, guards, and so on)” and “prohibit gun ownership.”
- The brazen public comments of top CDC officials, made at a time when gun prohibitionists were much more candid about their political goals.
But his successor Dr. Mark Rosenberg was quoted in the Washington Post as wanting his agency to create a public perception of firearms as “dirty, deadly—and banned.” (William Raspberry, “Sick People With Guns,” Washington Post, October 19, 1994.
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- CDC Grant #R49/CCR903697-06 to the Trauma Foundation, a San Francisco gun control advocacy group, supporting a newsletter that frankly advocated gun control.
And more....
Did ‘Gun Violence’ Researcher Just Expose Gun Control ‘Myth?’ - Liberty Park Press
The article recalls how then-Congressman Jay Dickey sponsored the “Dickey Amendment” in 1996. This was an amendment that cut funding for gun research; at least, that’s what anti-gunners have intimated. But the article notes the amendment actually instructed, “None of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control.” (Emphasis added.)
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But Wintemute is quoted in the Discover article explaining, “The language did not ban research; it banned advocacy or promotion for gun control.”
Translation: Public funding could not be used to promote gun control legislation. You cannot use the public’s money to advocate for restrictions on a constitutionally-protected fundamental right exercised by more than 100 million taxpayers whose taxes provided the funds.
Dr. Lott testifying in 2019 about gun research and the CDC as well as private research..
https://crimeresearch.org/wp-conten...ack-of-Public-Health-Research-on-Firearms.pdf
No, The Government Is Not 'Banned' From Studying Gun Violence
Absolutely nothing in the amendment prohibits the CDC from studying “gun violence,” even if this narrowly focused topic tells us little. In response to this inconvenient fact, gun controllers will explain that while there isn’t an outright ban, the Dickey amendment has a “chilling” effect on the study of gun violence.
Does it? Pointing out that “research plummeted after the 1996 ban” could just as easily tell us that most research funded by the CDC had been politically motivated. Because the idea that the CDC, whose spectacular mission creep has taken it from its primary goal of preventing malaria and other dangerous communicable diseases, to spending hundreds of millions of dollars nagging you about how much salt you put on your steaks or how often you do calisthenics, is nervous about the repercussions of engaging in non-partisan research is hard to believe.
Also unlikely is the notion that a $2.6 million cut in funding so horrified the agency that it was rendered powerless to pay for or conduct studies on gun violence. The CDC funding tripled from 1996 to 2010. The CDC’s budget is over six billion dollars today.
And the idea that the CDC was paralyzed through two-years of full Democratic Party control, and then six years under a president who was more antagonistic towards the Second Amendment than any other in history, is difficult to believe, because it’s provably false.
In 2013, President Barack Obama not only signed an Executive Order directing the CDC to research “gun violence,” the administration also provided an additional $10 million to do it. Here is the study on gun violence that was supposedly banned and yet funded by the CDC. You might not have heard about the resulting research, because it contains numerous inconvenient facts about gun ownership that fails to propel the predetermined narrative. Trump’s HHS Secretary Alex Azar is also open to the idea of funding more gun violence research.
It’s not banned. It’s not chilled.
Meanwhile, numerous states and private entities fund peer-reviewed studies and other research on gun violence. I know this because gun control advocates are constantly sending me studies that distort and conflate issues to help them make their arguments. My inbox is bombarded with studies and conferences and “webinars” dissecting gun violence.
The real problem here is two-fold. One, researchers want the CDC involved so they can access government data about American gun owners. Considering the rhetoric coming from Democrats — gun ownership being tantamount to terrorism, and so on — there’s absolutely no reason Republicans should acquiesce to helping gun controllers circumvent the privacy of Americans citizens peacefully practicing their Constitutional rights.
Second, gun control advocates want to lift the ban on politically skewed research because they’re interested in producing politically skewed research. When the American Medical Association declares gun violence a “public health crisis,” it’s not interested in a balance look at the issue. When researchers advocate lifting the restrictions on advocacy at the CDC, they don’t even pretend they not to hold pre-conceived notions about the outcomes.
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There’s no reason to allow activists — then or now — to use the veneer of state-sanctioned science for their partisan purposes. For example, we now know that Rosenberg and others at the CDC turned out to be wrong about the correlation between guns and crime — a steep drop in gun crimes coincided with the explosions of gun ownership from 1996 to 2014.
Gee, your own article says the UK has one of the lowest gun crime rates in the world. Of course, it’s not unusual to have assault weapon murders in elementary schools like the gun crazed US gun a holic supporters if weak gun laws here prefer.The anti-gun extremists try to compare the U.S. to Britain when it comes to gun crime…..what they fail to realize is that Europe was set back decades because of the World War they started, which allowed the socialists to murder 12 million people, outside of those killed by the war…and the massive destruction to their societies…..
Now, as their social welfare states have finally reached peak damage to their family and societal structure….their young men are turning to crime and violence…….
A pair of 13-year-old schoolboys survived being shot after they were rushed to hospital.
The children were gunned down just before 10.05pm last night outside some garages in Norton, Stoke-on-Trent.
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Usually criminals in the UK use pistols, revolvers or shotguns, as opposed to fully automatic weapons.
Most shootings in the country are carried out by street gangs involved in armed robberies or drug dealing.
Two schoolboys, 13, rushed to hospital after they were shot
Both of them survived and neither of them have life-threatening or life-changing injuries.metro.co.uk
Wow, that happens regularly in southern gop cities in crime ridden southern states.Non-lethal? Anything that harms an attacker is also forbidden in Britain.
She could use a whistle….
Yes….explain to the woman gang raped in the London Park that the Bobbies are there to protect her…..except they were not there and she was brutally gang raped.
Wow, that happens regularly in southern gop cities in crime ridden southern states.
So, none of the above relates to research into DGUs, nice try, but another 2aGuy fail.
Oh, here's an interesting article that contradicts some of the above:
This Graph Illustrates Exactly How The Gun Violence Research Ban Hurt Science
Research plummeted after the 1996 ban.www.huffpost.com
So, none of the above relates to research into DGUs, nice try, but another 2aGuy fail.
Oh, here's an interesting article that contradicts some of the above:
This Graph Illustrates Exactly How The Gun Violence Research Ban Hurt Science
Research plummeted after the 1996 ban.
www.forbes.com
How many kids were killed in America in the last month? Embarrassing isn't it.The anti-gun extremists try to compare the U.S. to Britain when it comes to gun crime…..what they fail to realize is that Europe was set back decades because of the World War they started, which allowed the socialists to murder 12 million people, outside of those killed by the war…and the massive destruction to their societies…..
Now, as their social welfare states have finally reached peak damage to their family and societal structure….their young men are turning to crime and violence…….
A pair of 13-year-old schoolboys survived being shot after they were rushed to hospital.
The children were gunned down just before 10.05pm last night outside some garages in Norton, Stoke-on-Trent.
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Usually criminals in the UK use pistols, revolvers or shotguns, as opposed to fully automatic weapons.
Most shootings in the country are carried out by street gangs involved in armed robberies or drug dealing.
Two schoolboys, 13, rushed to hospital after they were shot
Both of them survived and neither of them have life-threatening or life-changing injuries.
Oh please, this is too easy. Once again your own source destroys your arguments. Try reading the 2013 "study" cited. It merely rehashes the "pro" and "anti" studies from Kleck et al. and concludes no-one knows how common DGUs are in reality. This is not CDC doing their own research into DGU events.You idiot........from 2013....
In particular, a 2013 study ordered by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and conducted by The National Academies’ Institute of Medicine and National Research Council reported that, “Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence”:
That Time The CDC Asked About Defensive Gun Uses
Why did the CDC fail to publish 1990s research on numbers of defensive gun uses?
Oh please, this is too easy. Once again your own source destroys your arguments. Try reading the 2013 "study" cited. It merely rehashes the "pro" and "anti" studies from Kleck et al. and concludes no-one knows how common DGUs are in reality. This is not CDC doing their own research into DGU events.
Just a general observation, wouldn't there be less gun crime in the USA if there were less guns in circulation and therefore easily obtained by these "criminals"?
