Gun Background Checks Pass in Washington

[Brain357]

This is what the anti gunners want when they think of Europe, Australia and Japan as gun control paradises...

1) The political class will always have armed protection...in general when they are in public buildings where they work and in particular when someone is threatened with harm, the will get an armed security detail

2) the rich and famous will have the money to pay for their own armed security details

3) Criminals will always get the guns they decide they want or they need, they still do in Japan, Europe and Australia...

So where does that leave the law abiding, tax paying citizen who will not own a gun because it is against the law.....

1) Their taxes will pay for the around the clock security of the political class

2) the money they spend to buy goods and services provided by the wealthy, and the money they spend to be entertained by the famous, watching them on television, the movies or at sports events, will allow the rich famous to pay for their private, armed security

3) as victims of criminals, the law abiding will be surrendering their money to criminals, who will use this money to buy the guns they decide they want or need

And the result....the people who pay for the armed security of the political class, the rich and the famous, and who are beaten, robbed and murdered by the criminals will have no means to protect themselves from the criminals....or their own government if the government decides to murder them...

The law abiding citizen will be the victims of young, aggressive, violent, physically strong criminals or groups of criminals who will use guns (when they decide they want or need them) knives, meat cleavers, machetes, bats (cricket and American), or just their feet and their fists....

The old, the weak, women, the handicapped, the individual who is set upon by a group of criminals....will have no means to protect themselves from attack....at the same time they are providing the money that allows the political class, the rich and famous and the criminals to have arms or armed security for themselves...

The law abiding will have to sit quietly while their mothers, sisters, wives and daughters are raped....while they and their loved ones are brutally beaten, robbed or murdered at the whim of criminals....

Or....are rounded up by their government...


This is the desired outcome of the gun grabbers....

Does this make any F*****g sense to anyone but a gun grabber?

Much of Europe has much lower crime rates so it must work.

 

[2aguy]

A lot of Europe is hiding it's violent crime rate....

One in three young criminals is armed UK news The Guardian

Government research shows use of guns is on the rise and gangster films are blamed for making it seem 'cool'

One in three criminals under the age of 25 owns or has access to a firearm, the Government's researchers have discovered.
A continuing parliamentary inquiry into the growing number of black market weapons has concluded that there are more than three million illegally held firearms in circulation - double the number believed to have been held 10 years ago - and that criminals are more willing than ever to use them.

 

[Brain357]

Brain, do you deny that criminals in Britain and Australia have guns if they want them? Really? Do you deny that guns are becoming more popular with the youngest generation of criminals in britain? Or that guns are used by "Bikey" gangs and immigrant communities in Australia?


Really?

Larry Pratt British Gun Crime Stats are a 8220 Sham 8221 - The End Run

I asked if you have stats showing criminal gun ownership rate was higher than the law abiding.

 

[2aguy]

I asked if you have stats showing criminal gun ownership rate was higher than the law abiding.

Hmmm...considering that criminals don't register their guns...it will be hard to show in stats other than the increasing number of gun incidents in Britain...

 

[Brain357]

A lot of Europe is hiding it's violent crime rate....

One in three young criminals is armed UK news The Guardian

Government research shows use of guns is on the rise and gangster films are blamed for making it seem 'cool'

One in three criminals under the age of 25 owns or has access to a firearm, the Government's researchers have discovered.
A continuing parliamentary inquiry into the growing number of black market weapons has concluded that there are more than three million illegally held firearms in circulation - double the number believed to have been held 10 years ago - and that criminals are more willing than ever to use them.

Prove it. Your link is 14 years old..

 

[Brain357]

I asked if you have stats showing criminal gun ownership rate was higher than the law abiding.

Hmmm...considering that criminals don't register their guns...it will be hard to show in stats other than the increasing number of gun incidents in Britain...

Then you can't claim it is true.

 

[2aguy]

Here is a crime report on murders in the U.K. and how many were done with guns...yes, guns are used in the U.K. despite the strict controls....

Murders in the UK

 

[Brain357]

Here is a crime report on murders in the U.K. and how many were done with guns...yes, guns are used in the U.K. despite the strict controls....

Murders in the UK

Are the rates of crime with a gun higher than the US.

 

[Iceweasel]

You have stats on that?

The problem with stats is they aren't helpful when it's your ass on the line.

 

[2aguy]

London Gun Crime Offences per Borough 8211 2008 to 2013 Citizens Report UK

Are the rates of crime with a gun higher than the US.

No, the violent crime rate against unarmed, innocent civilians is almost twice that of the United States....

I guess it is only a bad rape, beating, stabbing, robbery or murder if a gun is used to do it...otherwise...it's all good....

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[Brain357]

You have stats on that?

The problem with stats is they aren't helpful when it's your ass on the line.

But you should have them to back you up if you make a claim.

 

[2aguy]

Here is a story I posted on martialtalk...two unarmed police officers killed by a criminal with a gun...

Two unarmed police officers shot dead in Britain

Two unarmed officers were gunned down by a wanted fugitive in the Manchester area of northern England on Tuesday, police said. The dramatic shooting shocked the country, but a top officer dismissed calls to issue his force with more firearms.

Chief Constable Peter Fahy told a news conference that Fiona Bone -- a 32-year-old who was planning her wedding -- and Nicola Hughes, 23, died shortly after the gunman opened fire and set off a grenade in Hattersley, a suburban area about 10 miles from central Manchester.

Fahy said that Cregan, or an associate, had telephoned police reporting a burglary Tuesday morning and the two officers responded. "When they arrived, it appears then that Cregan emerged into the road and killed these two officers," Fahy said, adding that the man's motive was "impossible to fathom."

 

[Brain357]

London Gun Crime Offences per Borough 8211 2008 to 2013 Citizens Report UK

Are the rates of crime with a gun higher than the US.

No, the violent crime rate against unarmed, innocent civilians is almost twice that of the United States....

I guess it is only a bad rape, beating, stabbing, robbery or murder if a gun is used to do it...otherwise...it's all good....

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So guns are used less by criminals where there are strict gun laws. Thank you.

 

[2aguy]

Here is another look at the murder of the two British police officers...they were shot and blown up by a grenade...

Police officers lured to their deaths in gun and grenade attack UK news The Guardian

 

[Brain357]

Here is another look at the murder of the two British police officers...they were shot and blown up by a grenade...

Police officers lured to their deaths in gun and grenade attack UK news The Guardian

What is your point?

 

[Uncensored2008]

You must really hate democracy.

Maybe he just hates Marxism?

 

[2aguy]

o guns are used less by criminals where there are strict gun laws. Thank you.

Actually, no....there is less gun use in countries that are culturally less violent....Russia, Latin America, Africa...and numerous other countries with strict gun control are a lot more violent than the U.S.

In fact...as more Americans have bought and carry guns...our crime rate has gone down, not up...

Australia banned guns....New Zealand did not....their gun crime rates are still the same....explain that if it isn't a non violent culture...


So Brain....you are still just wrong....



But the violent crime rate against unarmed, innocent people is 2 times as high in Britain...people are still raped, robbed, beaten and murdered...you only care if it is done with a gun...

Also...Britain has less violence in general than the U.S. and that comes from their history and culture...they are used to being members of a class based society...if you aren't the Royal Family or a part of the nobility...you are...less...and they have ingrained that in their culture...

 

[2aguy]

Here are the stats for gun crimes in the Boroughs of London....criminals seem to be using guns...even in a strict gun controlled nation like Britain...do you know who isn't using guns...the law abiding British citizens...

They are just victims....of course...they can just get patched up with the NHS....after the rape, beating, robbery or murder...right?

London Gun Crime Offences per Borough 8211 2008 to 2013 Citizens Report UK

 

[2aguy]

What is your point?

My point....they have strict gun control for law abiding citizens in Britain...it doesn't stop gun murders by criminals...even their police are killed by criminals with guns....and their criminals can also get grenades...and they use them....

Fiona Bone, 32, and Nicola Hughes, 23, were responding to a routine callout in Hattersley, Tameside, when they were caught in a trap believed to have been set by Dale Cregan, a fugitive wanted by police in connection with earlier suspected murders. The deaths are the first time two British female officers have been killed on duty.

As they arrived at a property in Abbey Gardens where a burglary had been reported, the officers came under fire from bullets and a grenade. The call was thought to have been made either by Cregan, 29, or someone acting on his behalf, said Sir Peter Fahy, the chief constable of Greater Manchester police.

"It would appear Cregan has deliberately done this in an act of cold-blooded murder," he told a press conference. The motive for the unprecedented attack was "impossible to fathom", he added.

 

[Brain357]

o guns are used less by criminals where there are strict gun laws. Thank you.

Actually, no....there is less gun use in countries that are culturally less violent....Russia, Latin America, Africa...and numerous other countries with strict gun control are a lot more violent than the U.S.

In fact...as more Americans have bought and carry guns...our crime rate has gone down, not up...

Australia banned guns....New Zealand did not....their gun crime rates are still the same....explain that if it isn't a non violent culture...


So Brain....you are still just wrong....



But the violent crime rate against unarmed, innocent people is 2 times as high in Britain...people are still raped, robbed, beaten and murdered...you only care if it is done with a gun...

Also...Britain has less violence in general than the U.S. and that comes from their history and culture...they are used to being members of a class based society...if you aren't the Royal Family or a part of the nobility...you are...less...and they have ingrained that in their culture...

Will you ever figure out it's not about guns?

Russia's rates are dropping like a rock without arming citizens. Why is that?